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Mason Greenwood | Please be respectful and stay on topic
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Potentially, true. I haven’t dug too deep - I find footballers beyond their ability to play football a fairly depressing bunch - but slightly different cases?
The only difference is they wouldn't show it openly. Some weirdo took screenshots of all the players who liked Memphis and Pogba's statements in support of Mendy following his acquittal.
Nah, it wont have anything to do with women. And everything to with the fact that all charges are dropped and he is free to play football. No need to go deeper than that for a foreign club.
No doubt about it. It’s a good move tbf.
This and weak management from the club's higher structures. They obviously didn't do him any justice by the way they concluded the whole thing.
What do you mean be forced to stand by it
By who?
All they’ve done is helped him to leave the club, saying we don’t know wouldn’t help him.
People will read “we can’t prove he’s innocent” not “we can’t prove he’s guilty”
I do wonder what the legal implications would be for Utd and Greenwood if the statement had appeared to imply that he was guilty of some or all of the charges. As in, could MG have claimed damages, unfair dismissal etc.
They’re not like for like, but to me, the response to Mendy made it clear that a lot of Footballer’s very much view women in a ‘Us v Them’ kind of light.
One false claim could be conceivable, 6 being brought before a jury, with a further 12 unwilling to put themselves through the agony of a trial just seems farcical.
Or you know there's the more plausible opposite reason, more in keeping with how cases of domestic abuse go.
In the context of this case, I can’t see any circumstance where Greenwood would admit to a criminal offence and not be charged. His “mistakes” will not be criminal.
My view is that, based on the club statement, we can be certain that the club believes that Greenwood did not commit the original offences or any other criminal offences. Quite why they can’t tell us more we can only speculate.
I suppose the other option is to just pay him out which would cost about £7 million, then it's a clean break for everyone.
Mason Greenwood wrecked his career and lost us a huge talent. Nobody else.
But the "lost us a huge talent" line is also pretty telling for a lot of folks in here. I'd bet the very same people who are up in arms because the poor innocent boy should get a second chance at United would quickly find their "morals" if the same allegations were made about a player who's not as highly thought of.
I don't know what happened, I feel like there is more to what happened than we all know and the United statement only further proved that.
What that is we will never know frustrating to see that this comes to light so late on after people have already labeled him.
Mason leaving is best for all involved.
Got another warning.
They aren't dismissing him though. Which I'm now assuming they aren't dismissing him because they haven't found any legal ground to do so,.based on the statement.
Yeah we're talking Scouse level of delusion, t-shirts, banners, chants, etc... they have fecking lost the plot.
In fairness, the only reason there's a on going discussion is because of how he was thought of as a player. If like 90 to 95 of the players that come through the academy,.he wasn't good enough, united probably wouldn't even have bothered with an investigation and just cut ties as soon as they could.
This is not a gotcha.
Similarly, some of those who are pro MG dismissal, would be on the other fence if it was Mbappe instead.
I don't disagree with this. But why the heck the left for the last 10 days of August?
Reminds of the GB News crowd and chanting "woke" and "cancel culture" at everything.
Maybe it makes sense to complete the investigation and then make the call on whether there's enough evidence for a realistic chance of conviction? Aside from the fact that they could technically try and get a conviction without witness co-operation if the evidence was strong enough, there's also the chance of the victim changing her mind again a few months later.
I don't know how it works but given the nature of domestic violence, I'd like to think the police wouldn't immediately wash their hands of the situation as soon as the victim expressed a reluctance to proceed. Especially if they know/suspect the alleged perpatrator has been making contact with her.
Also, in real terms, they knew this was a very high profile case and they would be under a lot of scrutiny. So there would be more incentive to be seen to be absolutely thorough in approach.
I really don’t think they would. That’s baseless conjecture. Greenwood was potentially Man Utd’s striking crown jewel for the next decade.
Because their judgement can only be on the limited evidence available. They also aren't held to a factual legal ruling, its just a reasonable judgment and if the victim explains it away the club are supposed to challenge her? Of course not.
There's a reason they highlighted the limitations of the investigation but still people seem to want to make more of it.
This is incredibly far-fetched
To be fair, there was evidence of collusion between the women who accused him. Plus evidence (as in phone messages) of one or two of them bragging to have fecked him, and calling the ‘night of rape’ as ‘the best night of her life’.
It looked a case of trying to get advantage of the situation (Mendy’s brother not being there to do the usual video of the girl consenting to have sex with Mendy and co) so they could get money out of Mendy.
False rape accusations by all means are incredibly rare, but that looked to have been one of them. When the case goes to a jury, in the UK, the person who is getting accused is found guilty around 75% of cases. Mendy was found non guilty so it is easy why players sympathized with their colleague who got his career destroyed in pretty much false accusations.
But why pay off his contract when they could let him go for gross misconduct…?
Seems very odd to purposely and actively go out of their way to declare him innocent, when they simply could’ve stated that after conducting their investigation Utd have decided to part ways with the player.
Whole thing is just utterly bizarre, and reads like they spent 6 months investigating it, found him to be innocent (which they’ve stated), tried to bring him back and then back tracked because Adam Crafter and Rachel Riley kicked off about it.
It’s very difficult to see it as anything other than that whether you wanted him gone or back at Utd.
nah. Greenwood was labeled "starboy" and whatnot, there weren't really a lot of "bigger" players at United when this happened. And still, many fans are happy to see him gone.
Sometimes a knobhead is just a knobhead, no matter how good a footballer he is. And it's a fair stance as a fan to not want a knobhead wearing the shirt, even if it's a talented knobhead.
One thing I find odd is all this ‘away from Old Trafford’ in the official stuff. When players are sold or leave, they usually say stuff like ‘departed the club’, ‘leaving Manchester United/the club’. Just though it was a bit weird.
Jaysus... I thought you were sailing a little closer to the wind there alright.
If this is true then mob justice did not wreck his career. Him behaving like an arsehole wrecked this career.
A scandal like this one would have consequences in any workplace even if you weren't a public figure and there were no 'mob.'
Sorry, I meant constructive dismissal. Completely wrong term. The one where the employer makes your position untenable.
It was mentioned in one of the papers a year ago that the worst possible scenario would be what has now transpired. No grounds to cancel his contract and pursue wages paid since Jan 2022, and yet no real way of keeping him as a player and an asset.
Can I point you toward the case of David Goodwillie?
I’d say given the graphic and horrifying media surrounding him, the vast majority would still object in years to come if MG returns to English football.
If he didn't actually do what he was accused of he should be able to resume his career with us, simple as that. The only reason he isn't is because of the public backlash.Again with the "mob justice" tripe.
Greenwood has told you he set this all off with "mistakes". Arnold has fanned the flames with awful statements and attempting to bus the women. There is unrefuted evidence that puts someone in incredibly bad light at least.
But yeah, it's people on the internet who are the bad guys
I know 2 people personally who hold that opinion, and MG is not close to Mbappe, so no, it's not baseless conjecture. Plus, I said some.
Have you not seen the text messages?
See my reply above. Also, some =/= all. Also, Mbappe >> Greenwood.