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Matheus Cunha £62.5m release clause | Not a striker
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Think of it this way Delap, Cunha, Amad and Bruno can all start together and share the goal scoring and creative burden between them. You could throw in Mount or Mainoo into the mix if Bruno plays CM and Amad right wingback. That's a very decent side and if they're well drilled will give anyone a good game.
Reposting this from the transfer thread. £62m might be on the high side but not by much.
My question marks are around temperament, how much his game relies on pace if we expect him to play into his 30’s (especially given how much Brazilian players fall off a cliff physically imo) and if this should be our priority signing.
My question marks are around temperament, how much his game relies on pace if we expect him to play into his 30’s (especially given how much Brazilian players fall off a cliff physically imo) and if this should be our priority signing.
Would have preferred Eze but I guess his goal stats worked against his favor. No complaints with Cunha though
Yeah I think we'll need to replace Rashford goals. The supporting cast behind the new center forward needs to score more than the likes of Garnacho is putting up.
He's welcome to, in the League Cup as a squad player.
Agree, however Is Sancho, Rashford and Antony are sold before Garnacho that would probably generate £90-100m although I can see Villa and Chelsea sending both players back and then selling Garnaucho is priority number 1
When you consider what we've shelled out on lesser talents it's a reasonable fee, the question is whether we have it. I guess it might depend on getting rid of players like Antony and Sancho and winning the EL.
He's a great fit for Amorim's system as a left sided 10 and he's impressed me every time I've seen him play.
He's a great fit for Amorim's system as a left sided 10 and he's impressed me every time I've seen him play.
No chance we pay the release clause, as they have to be paid in full iirc.
I'm also dubious about whether we're actually interested, £62m is a massive outlay without CL football.
I'm also dubious about whether we're actually interested, £62m is a massive outlay without CL football.
After yesterday's game, I would go for a young talent on that position and rather sign a good GK (like Verbruggen) to replace Onana. 62m is too much for a player who's massively gifted but always brings the danger of getting sent off.
Whitwell is reliable so I don't doubt our interest. We'll just pay slightly more than the clause so we can spread the cost out.
I kinda think the opposite. I still think our priority this summer has to improve our attacking options to get more goals in this team.
I agree Onana has to be replaced but I wouldn’t be opposed to singing a stopgap experienced goalkeeper for a year and re evaluate where we are at with that position summer 2026. A singing like when Bayern bought Sommer to replace the injured Neuer.
I'd still sign a good GK plus a talented player for 70-80m total instead of one Cunha for 62m. I'd also invest in a proper CF.
Transfermarkt has him at a whopping 1 red card in 264 senior club matches!
Am sure you were very impressed by Garnacho, we obviously need upgrades in attack too. The club poster boy Rashford would be sold, someone needs to come in.
£62m seems like way too much, good player but at that price, I think it would be a mistake and we'd be moaning how funds haven't been well spent before long.
I don't think it's a great idea. #10 is probably 4th priority for me, behind Striker, RWB & Keeper, so spending big there would seem a bad use of limited resources.
His attitude issues and Wolves fans criticism of his work rate also put me off. In short I think if we're strengthening #10 there will be better options out there for cheaper.
He is an exciting player though and would improve us at his best.
His attitude issues and Wolves fans criticism of his work rate also put me off. In short I think if we're strengthening #10 there will be better options out there for cheaper.
He is an exciting player though and would improve us at his best.
But that someone doesn't have to be him.
I’m fully subscribed to Cunha
He’d be perfect in our system
Happily sell Garnacho to fund it
He’d be perfect in our system
Happily sell Garnacho to fund it
£60m+ on him is a massive gamble imo, especially if the stats of him walking so much are true, we can't afford passengers anymore.
If we are going for a number 10 with an allegedly questionable attitude,would rather go with Cherki.
Cheaper, younger and higher ceiling. If the transfer didn't work out, we could still recoup most of our money.
Cheaper, younger and higher ceiling. If the transfer didn't work out, we could still recoup most of our money.
why would having a release clause make his prospects worse?
He's walked his way to 13 league goals so far this season. Wouldn't mind a bit of that.
Garnacho is putting up Rashford numbers
They both have 11 epl goals in the last 2 seasons for us
Cunha would be a significant upgrade on both of them
We could probably put you up front and it’d be an improvement over Hojlund. Delap would be a big upgrade. Not my first choice striker but we may not be able to get Gyo or Osi.
An underperforming Rashford, you know what I mean.
I think Amorim wants one of the 10s to be an auxiliary forward and the other an attacking midfielder, the auxiliary forward would be expected to hit a good amount of goals, and this team really needs it.
A Brazilian probably taking the 10 shirt, I think this guy will be a Bruno like hit.
Who do you have in mind
Wolves won’t go down. Due to 3 teams being miles worse
I know that is the case with release clauses in other countries, in Spain specifically and it might have been reported that way in terms of the Zirkzee deal also. With transfers inside the UK it may be different, technically I don't believe release clauses within the PL are enforceable although a club that inserted one and then refused to honour it would likely have trouble signing and retaining players in the future. I know there was quite a fuss over the Suarez release clause when Arsenal met it and Liverpool refused to sell to a domestic rival but it was never tested legally as Suarez backed down, I am guessing he was given a bonus of some sort and a promise he could leave for an overseas club as he did join Barca the following season.
Personally I hope we can and are and expect we are doing more than one thing at a time
I kind of see him as a Cantona type signing, a talisman who might not necessarily provide long term but sparks something.
For that reason I agree with your comments on his fee being questioned and also not making him the priority.
We’ve had similiar players, such as Teddy, Yorke, Berba who triggered something but didnt give us a long career.
I’ll also add that I believe the ineos group are tough negotiators, so if we can become the players first and only choice we’d likely negotiate on the fee.
(Also caught a story highlighting wolves interest in Sancho
)We’ve got quantity but not enough quality in the number ten roles. Cunha is someone who surely has to be under consideration as we desperately need more pace and power in that area of the pitch.
Our attack is so poor that we need 3 attacking players in the summer.
Our attack is so poor that we need 3 attacking players in the summer.
I remember looking at his stats when we were vaguely rumored to be after him this winter and was surprised to see that his stats from 2 years ago and further back are kinda poor. Seems to be on a much better level these last two seasons, but I was left wondering if this was the best you could get out if him.
And I wouldn't have minded Rashford scored 20+ goals each season and Sancho bringing his Dortmund form with him but unfortunately, football doesn't work like that.
And if that stat is true that he's spent 77% of games walking, that's a massive red flag right there.
Cunha, Osimhen, Frimpong, Ederson and a keeper. Sorted.
I've always felt like Cunha seems a pretty hard worker. Ever since that meme stat came out of him walking more than any other player there's been a bit of a rewrite on who he is as a player.
Purely on watching him he's a streaky presser and aggressive in duels.
Seems to line up statistically. He also ranks high in interceptions/tackles/blocks/clearances compared to other number 10s in the league:
Main point though is that in a system with 3 CBs and 2 midfielders - often 2 defensive midfielders - if you can't carry a couple of creative mavericks then football's in trouble.
Purely on watching him he's a streaky presser and aggressive in duels.
Seems to line up statistically. He also ranks high in interceptions/tackles/blocks/clearances compared to other number 10s in the league:
Ground duels won
Cunha: 5.3 (48%)
Bruno: 4.4 (50%)
M.Rogers: 4.3 (41%)
Gibbs-White: 3.6 (47%)
Odegaard: 2.5 (39%)
Szoboslai: 2.4 (44%)
Ball Recoveries:
Bruno: 6.0
Cunha: 4.2
Gibbs-White: 4.0
Szoboslai: 3.8
Odegaard: 3.3
Rogers: 3.1
Final Third Ball Wins:
Bruno: 0.8
Odegaard: 0.8
Cunha: 0.7
Rogers: 0.5
Szoboslai: 0.5
Gibbs-White: 0.5
Tackles + Interceptions:
Bruno: 3.1
Cunha: 1.8
Gibbs-White: 1.6
Rogers: 1.2
Szoboslai: 1.2
Odegaard: 0.9
Cunha: 5.3 (48%)
Bruno: 4.4 (50%)
M.Rogers: 4.3 (41%)
Gibbs-White: 3.6 (47%)
Odegaard: 2.5 (39%)
Szoboslai: 2.4 (44%)
Ball Recoveries:
Bruno: 6.0
Cunha: 4.2
Gibbs-White: 4.0
Szoboslai: 3.8
Odegaard: 3.3
Rogers: 3.1
Final Third Ball Wins:
Bruno: 0.8
Odegaard: 0.8
Cunha: 0.7
Rogers: 0.5
Szoboslai: 0.5
Gibbs-White: 0.5
Tackles + Interceptions:
Bruno: 3.1
Cunha: 1.8
Gibbs-White: 1.6
Rogers: 1.2
Szoboslai: 1.2
Odegaard: 0.9
Main point though is that in a system with 3 CBs and 2 midfielders - often 2 defensive midfielders - if you can't carry a couple of creative mavericks then football's in trouble.
Can a club win the Euro millions or does it have to be an individual?
Haha. It’s not that crazy if we were able to sell well. Pity about the Glazers running us into the ground.
But yeah, tis probably unlikely.
You know the club is broke, right?
On paper, spending £92.5m on two attacking players is good but we're skint. If we can sell Sancho and Rashford for good prices then maybe this could work.
I really like Cunha and even though he's not a high goal scorer he has a good balance between creating and scoring goals.
A front three of Cunha Zirkzee Amad is pretty good. Delap as backup striker with Bruno and Garnacho being back up wide options can work especially if Garnacho remembers how to play football. Chido is there as a wildcard too.
I know some will say it isn't good enough still but we need to take incremental steps in getting to where we want.
Cunha and Delap also seriously improves our pace and power up front.
I really like Cunha and even though he's not a high goal scorer he has a good balance between creating and scoring goals.
A front three of Cunha Zirkzee Amad is pretty good. Delap as backup striker with Bruno and Garnacho being back up wide options can work especially if Garnacho remembers how to play football. Chido is there as a wildcard too.
I know some will say it isn't good enough still but we need to take incremental steps in getting to where we want.
Cunha and Delap also seriously improves our pace and power up front.