Don't think so, thought a few times I've heard O'Riley speak about last season it's sounded like there was definitely some issues there. Maybe nothing OTT but didn't seem like they were that compatible.I thought that was overblown by the media?
If they do that his price goes from 15-20m to 50-60m.He did play really well against Atletico Madrid yesterday, but obviously its a small sample size.
It would be better for him to go to a club like Crystal Palace or West Ham first to see if he can consistently do it in the Premier League.
The worst that could happen is that you buy a 12m dud. Unlike the Holland shopping mall we've been visiting lately.Buying from the SPL is like buying from L1. You might find a bargain but quite easily you may find that they cannot adapt to the PL
We’ve bought one over priced did from HollandThe worst that could happen is that you buy a 12m dud. Unlike the Holland shopping mall we've been visiting lately.
Yeah. We're also seeing big clubs getting overtaken by mid-sized clubs who are braver and more competent at hunting out value from lower leagues. And then have to spend silly money to get a players they could have got in the first place.If they do that his price goes from 15-20m to 50-60m.
So what?If they do that his price goes from 15-20m to 50-60m.
VDB, Antony- there's 2 for a startWe’ve bought one over priced did from Holland
I think you may find that the prices in Scotland are higher than 12m too. Not that you can’t find bargains but I’d be wary of spending money on Celtic players, just because the standard in Scotland to compare them with is so bad
Fair point, forgot the first one if I’m honestVDB, Antony- there's 2 for a start
You were correct the first time mate because the poster you were responding to mentioned what we've been doing 'lately'Fair point, forgot the first one if I’m honest
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No. Doing things like that is where we keep messing up.So what?
The alternative is we waste £15 to 20 million on a player that's not good enough for the Premier League. Celtic will probably want closer to £30 million too.
It's too big a step to go directly from Celtic to United. He needs to play for a smaller Premier League team first.
He's not currently shown that he can do it at the very highest level. We can't be the club where he tests himself. How many players go directly from the Scottish Premier league to the English Premier league and immediately step up?No. Doing things like that is where we keep messing up.
Jota wasn't dropped due to his ability. His manager wanted to register him , people above him wanted to register someone else.He's not currently shown that he can do it at the very highest level. We can't be the club where he tests himself. How many players go directly from the Scottish Premier league to the English Premier league and immediately step up?
Somebody like Jota looked great for Celtic last season, and he's now deemed not good enough for a Saudi club.
He isn't fast at all. But he intercepts and gets infront of the attacker to steal the ball with his long legs alot.I thought he was not meant to be that mobile, has that changed/never the case?
Interesting, thanks for responding. Will try and watch him more to form a better opinion.He isn't fast at all. But he intercepts and gets infront of the attacker to steal the ball with his long legs alot.
I really feel that model is gone for us. It's no longer financially viable. God be with the days when a Southampton or a Brighton or whoever would take the initial low priced risk and then, when the player excelled, they'd doff their caps at ourselves or Liverpool or City when we swooped in with a generous 25 mil. We just have to accept that everyone who's played 45 minutes in the prem costs 70 million for us and cut out the middle man.So what?
The alternative is we waste £15 to 20 million on a player that's not good enough for the Premier League. Celtic will probably want closer to £30 million too.
It's too big a step to go directly from Celtic to United. He needs to play for a smaller Premier League team first.
More hits than misses. Most clubs (not United obviously) are smart with their recruitment these days and can filter out what will make players successful in a more challenging league.He's not currently shown that he can do it at the very highest level. We can't be the club where he tests himself. How many players go directly from the Scottish Premier league to the English Premier league and immediately step up?
Somebody like Jota looked great for Celtic last season, and he's now deemed not good enough for a Saudi club.
so you wouldn't buy anyone from a so called weaker league. Almiron at Newcastle is a classic example, came from a poor team in the mls, and he's doing ok. This is where we need our scouting dept to do their due diligence. Does a certain player have the ability to fit into the pattern we are looking to implement, does he have the scope to continually improve. If he does then, I don't care what league he's played in. We've been buying so called finished articles that have played at the "very highest level" the last few seasons and it hasn't does us much good. We need to broaden our horizons in regards to our recruitment.He's not currently shown that he can do it at the very highest level. We can't be the club where he tests himself. How many players go directly from the Scottish Premier league to the English Premier league and immediately step up?
Somebody like Jota looked great for Celtic last season, and he's now deemed not good enough for a Saudi club.
That's not a good example though. Almiron is the exception not the rule. How many other players came directly from the MLS to the Premier League and made a big impact? Even with a player like Almiron it took him a long time to establish himself as a Premier League player. Do you think he'd get that same level of time at United?so you wouldn't buy anyone from a so called weaker league. Almiron at Newcastle is a classic example, came from a poor team in the mls, and he's doing ok. This is where we need our scouting dept to do their due diligence. Does a certain player have the ability to fit into the pattern we are looking to implement, does he have the scope to continually improve. If he does then, I don't care what league he's played in. We've been buying so called finished articles that have played at the "very highest level" the last few seasons and it hasn't does us much good. We need to broaden our horizons in regards to our recruitment.
so what leagues do you advocate buying players from then. Even players from top leagues don't settle in and produce the good consistently when they come to the pl, we've seen that with Pogba, Casemiro, Sanchez, Di Maria, Martial, Falcao, Onana to name but a few. Not every player who looks good in Scotland has to be a target, by the way Edouard had 5 goals in 7 games this season in a poor Palace team. Yes he's took a while to settle, but we've had Martial since 2015 and we are still waiting on him to settle.I think it's very naive if we follow your approach, where we let Palace, West Ham Everton etc identify the talent, then we wait and pay top money for these players from them. I see you fail to mention Brighton, whose recruitment has been exceptional on players who hit the ground running. A blind man could have seen how good a player VVD was at Celtic, yet teams sat back and let Southampton take the plunge. We need to move away from buying big name players for the sake of it, and look at players that fit into the style of play we want to implement. What is the point of having a scouting dept if they don't scout for young talented players.We were caught short this off season, as we didn't have the money to buy what we needed, successive seasons of over paying transfers fees and wages catches up on you.That's not a good example though. Almiron is the exception not the rule. How many other players came directly from the MLS to the Premier League and made a big impact? Even with a player like Almiron it took him a long time to establish himself as a Premier League player. Do you think he'd get that same level of time at United?
The Scottish Premier League is on a par with league one in England. O'riley needs to go to a bigger club first (Palace, West Ham Everton etc) see how he gets on in the Premier League and then if he's good enough make a move to United later.
Odsonne Edouard looked like a really good player at Celtic, would you have advocated signing him? Moussa Dembele looked like a really good player at Celtic, would you have advocated signing him?
That's my point though in a way. If Edouard continues to score goals and has a really good season then he could be a target next summer. We use Palace as a testing ground.so what leagues do you advocate buying players from then. Even players from top leagues don't settle in and produce the good consistently when they come to the pl, we've seen that with Pogba, Casemiro, Sanchez, Di Maria, Martial, Falcao, Onana to name but a few. Not every player who looks good in Scotland has to be a target, by the way Edouard had 5 goals in 7 games this season in a poor Palace team. Yes he's took a while to settle, but we've had Martial since 2015 and we are still waiting on him to settle.I think it's very naive if we follow your approach, where we let Palace, West Ham Everton etc identify the talent, then we wait and pay top money for these players from them. I see you fail to mention Brighton, whose recruitment has been exceptional on players who hit the ground running. A blind man could have seen how good a player VVD was at Celtic, yet teams sat back and let Southampton take the plunge. We need to move away from buying big name players for the sake of it, and look at players that fit into the style of play we want to implement. What is the point of having a scouting dept if they don't scout for young talented players.We were caught short this off season, as we didn't have the money to buy what we needed, successive seasons of over paying transfers fees and wages catches up on you.
It's always a sure sign that a player has lots of technical ability.We don't have enough players who play with their socks low to indicate their technical ability so I'm for it.
But but he’s got his socks downI've watched a fair bit of him and I reckon he's probably around midtable PL level.
The next Jack Grealish!But but he’s got his socks down
Quick tell the scoutsThe next Jack Grealish!
He can play for Ireland or England too.The next Jack Grealish!
