BarstoolProphet
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Ver underwhelming if true
I mean the bars fairly low if the goal is to just want a manager better than Solskjaer. Bruce will do if that's the case. And the clubs hierarchy is just full of idiots - the fact that they've wanted him for years, is just a massive red flag.This could be a worry but then he is better than Ole, has been wanted here for years by the hierarchy which isn't afraid of spending good money and we already have a good squad albeit one that needs some panel beating so he could break that barrier and deliver a trophy or two.
I don't deny that they are first grade idiots but even a broken clock is right twice a day and we have seen how they have backed Ole, a manager of their choice, to the hilt and he did do well until the wheels came off so anyone improving on that we have us challenging and winning trophies. If there is one thing Woodward and Fergie agree on it's their long held admiration for Pochettino so its very unlikely that he will come in to a divided house so he has a chance for success.I mean the bars fairly low if the goal is to just want a manager better than Solskjaer. Bruce will do if that's the case. And the clubs hierarchy is just full of idiots - the fact that they've wanted him for years, is just a massive red flag.
I don’t agree but feck me, that made me laughThey did, it was shaped like a huge bottle
Same can be said for Tuchel. PSG is certainly a poor barometer to adequately judge a managers experiences. The club lacks a sense of authenticity most likely due to how short term their respective increased ambitions are. The players seem bigger than the club.Poch lost the dressing room quite quick at PSG, eventually at spurs too. He wouldn't last long with our players either.
It seems to be forgotten, or at least buried under the net spend argument.Blimey, didnt know he spent that much. That is alot of money.
Maybe they’ve wanted him for years simply because for years it’s been clear he’s a top manager?the fact that they've wanted him for years, is just a massive red flag.
He's had the best (result wise) start to the season in a long time, they're 11 points ahead in the league, unbeaten in the champions league despite having City and Leipzig in the group. PSG fans just don't like him because they want champagne football and to win ever game 4-0 which isn't going to happen with how unbalanced that team is. Even Zidane won't get them winning 4-0 every game. PSG fans are very entitled considering they only became relevant in 2011.Maybe they’ve wanted him for years simply because for years it’s been clear he’s a top manager?
I wouldn’t argue for one minute he’s one of the best ever but other than losing a CL final and a messy end to his Spurs career, what has he done to be disregarded as a top manager by so many? I genuinely don’t see it.
For such a young guy, he’s been around for what seems like a long time and over that time whatever team he’s been manager of has performed very well and overachieved in some respects.
His time at Espanyol and Southampton was very successful considering the resources he was working with and apart from the end at Spurs, he did do well even if he didn’t win a trophy.
Yes he got off to a patchy start at PSG but look at the team sheet, all those massive egos at a soulless club playing for money and nothing else. Now he’s walking away with the league. And if he can manage Neymar, Mbappe and Messi, the guy can manage anyone.
He has had a very good career so far and there’s absolutely nothing to suggest he won’t do well here.
For me, it would almost be a coin toss between Ten Hag and Poch but I’ve long admired Poch’s teams and how they work.
He outperformed both Tuchel (and Lille’s points per game over the season), that points per game over the season would have won you the league.Yeah my bad. Doesn't mean it's not a very silly way to analyse a coach's performance though.
Yes? Miles better? Nobody who watched spurs in that champions League run would have said they played shit football.Do people believe Pochettino plays better football than Conte?
The narrative around Conte is that he's too defensive, and Pochettino is that he's the second coming.
Could we please not use that phrase about Ole. He did a lot of good in the first two years and is a United man through and through. Yes ultimately he wasnt good enough to get us to where we need to be, but no need for personal attacks.Typical United - never went for him when he was free and available. Instead stuck with the P.E teacher. Always have to make it a saga and spend more £.
Jesus Perez says no.Poch with Carrick as No2 - Think I would accept that
I wouldn't like that at all, one of my biggest hopes if Poch comes is he brings in his own team.Poch with Carrick as No2 - Think I would accept that
based on what!?Pochettino isn't fit to lace Erik Ten Hag's shoes.
Why people do that? PSG are currently the worst to watch under QSI, it's not fair to go after the fans since everyone journalist and neutral fans included have said for almost a year. And their team isn't unbalanced.He's had the best (result wise) start to the season in a long time, they're 11 points ahead in the league, unbeaten in the champions league despite having City and Leipzig in the group. PSG fans just don't like him because they want champagne football and to win ever game 4-0 which isn't going to happen with how unbalanced that team is. Even Zidane won't get them winning 4-0 every game. PSG fans are very entitled considering they only became relevant in 2011.
He was 5 years at spurs to be fair and the issue at psg seems to be that the dressing room can't be gained in first place. Tuchel was sacked the same year he won a CL. Not having a go but this feels like bias on your part clouding realityPoch lost the dressing room quite quick at PSG, eventually at spurs too. He wouldn't last long with our players either.
Need to stop all this ‘jobs for the boys’ bollocks.Poch with Carrick as No2 - Think I would accept that
Tuchel had the dressing room, his issue was with Leonardo and the fact that Tuchel would randomly vent his transfers problem during press conferences, then you have the Demba Ba issue where he allegedly didn't side with his players. And it's fair to mention that Tuchel had similar issues at Dortmund.He was 5 years at spurs to be fair and the issue at psg seems to be that the dressing room can't be gained in first place. Tuchel was sacked the same year he won a CL. Not having a go but this feels like bias on your part clouding reality
Fair point re tuchel but what evidence is there pochettino has 'lost the dressing room'. The one stacked with players he didn't ask for and is forced to play. They're running away with league and looked v good beating City.Tuchel had the dressing room, his issue was with Leonardo and the fact that Tuchel would randomly vent his transfers problem during press conferences, then you have the Demba Ba issue where he allegedly didn't side with his players. And it's fair to mention that Tuchel had similar issues at Dortmund.
SAF came from Scotland in a time when the league was actually competitive, not in a time when the league was shit.Your point is? Sir Alex came from Scotland.
If you're good enough, you're good enough. The fact that you're stuck in a farmers league is absolutely irrelevant. Just look at Tuchel for example.
Also what did Rodgers do at Celtic? Did they hammer Real Madrid, Juve, Dortmund? ETH has his European record that speaks for him. Poch also has a very respectable European record. The difference is the way they play. And that for me is the reason I want ETH here instead of Poch.
There is no evidence and no one should suggest that either. And I'm yet to see a PSG manager forced to play anyone, he simply can't get a tune out of players that are different to what he is used to and hasn't adapted his system to the player at his disposal. Also allegedly the player that Pochettino didn't want was Aurier, I don't know why people think that he didn't want Hakimi, Wijnaldum, Ramos or Messi.Fair point re tuchel but what evidence is there pochettino has 'lost the dressing room'. The one stacked with players he didn't ask for and is forced to play. They're running away with league and looked v good beating City.
Ten Hag has shown he can work with players of varying quality and experience and get them to play in system that can compete at the highest levels in Europe despite their individual limitations. Klopp has turned a midfield of Henderson, Milner, Curtis Jones, Keita and Fabinho into actual world beaters...because they are drilled to playing in a particular system. Most of all, when one player is missing the whole shape of the team doesn’t have to change.SAF came from Scotland in a time when the league was actually competitive, not in a time when the league was shit.
So the whole pitch for hiring Ten Hag is that he beat some big teams who've been struggling in Europe? And if Ajax go out of the CL this year in the next round does that mean he shouldn't be hired anymore?
I can understand people wanting to hire him based on the system he implements but there's no evidence to suggest he would be able to handle a club like United or the competitiveness of the PL. Let him go to Germany or Italy first and manager a top 6 team there, he isn't going to walk into an elite club job any time soon.
Talk about agenda posting. This is the transfer spending list from 2014 to 2020. (And it includes Bergwijn, who was bought after he left mid season).But he did spend a huge amount of money.
£400m, that's huge no matter which two ways you look at it.
Especially for a club like Spurs, who don't really sit at the top table when it comes to expenditure.
The money only really dried up towards the latter transfer windows when the stadium costs hit home.
At this point you can ask a sunday league manager and he will say he is influenced by Biesla. Everybody is fecking influenced by Biesla.Here's a piece on him being influenced by Biesla.
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...hettino-tottenham-premier-league-best-defence
I wouldn’t accept any scenario where Carrick remains part of the coaching setup after being part of 2 failed regimes.Poch with Carrick as No2 - Think I would accept that
And the other thing is just giving underperforming managers time.I don't deny that they are first grade idiots but even a broken clock is right twice a day and we have seen how they have backed Ole, a manager of their choice, to the hilt and he did do well until the wheels came off so anyone improving on that we have us challenging and winning trophies. If there is one thing Woodward and Fergie agree on it's their long held admiration for Pochettino so its very unlikely that he will come in to a divided house so he has a chance for success.
Good post. People need to watch this and the other videos from that same interview. It's very revealing how he got Spurs punching above their weight for a long time.He's definitely going to improve our work rate
I totally get what you mean. And 50-some percent of the caf feels it too.I think Ten Hag is the more progressive appointment. He has the potential, and I underline the word potential, to rival the very top managers. I think Pochettino is a little short of that but I would say he’s a slightly safer bet.
If you absolutely put me on the spot I would take Ragnick now and Ten Hag in the summer. Also in the hope Ragnick impressed, moved to a DOF role and dovetailed well with Ten Hag.
As for ratings, little clue. Maybe Poch with a PA of 180 and a CA of 175 and Ten Hag with a CA of 170 and a PA of 185. But I feel kind of silly even saying that. For reference I’d give Klopp and Guardiola 190. Numbers are irrelevant. It’s the concept.
I don't get this, we can say that he has done a good job at Tottenham but he didn't make them punch above their weight. He had a starting eleven of high level internationals, including the best striker in the league and France captain as goalkeeper. For some reason people are blind to what Pochettino actually had, if there is one thing that should be said about Tottenham and it's not really something relevant for us, is that they somehow managed to keep that much quality with a relatively small wage bill that's not replicable for United or any bigger club and it's not relevant in how you evaluate Pochettino because the wage bill didn't take starting talents away from his team outside of Walker.Good post. People need to watch this and the other videos from that same interview. It's very revealing how he got Spurs punching above their weight for a long time.
Getting to a UCL final was punching above their weight even with Kane, Lloris and Son.I don't get this, we can say that he has done a good job at Tottenham but he didn't make them punch above their weight. He had a starting eleven of high level internationals, including the best striker in the league and France captain. For some reason people are blind to what Pochettino actually had, if there is one thing that should be said about Tottenham and it's not really something relevant for us is that they somehow managed to keep that much quality with a relatively small wage bill that's not replicable for United or any bigger club and it's not relevant in how you evaluate Pochettino because the wage bill didn't take starting talents away from his team outside of Walker.
Pochettino is a good coach and he has done a good job at Tottenham but lets not go too far with the praises.
They did it once, it's a cup these things happen. His next best results over 6 seasons is the round of 16 whether we talk about CL or EL. If we evaluate his tenure surely we can't really do it with outliers?Getting to a UCL final was punching above their weight even with Kane, Lloris and Son.