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Yeah agree. We could really need someone like Carrick to our team.Mcfred is the reason why we are good in games when we dont have the ball, and rubbish against teams that sit back.
Yeah agree. We could really need someone like Carrick to our team.Mcfred is the reason why we are good in games when we dont have the ball, and rubbish against teams that sit back.
Xhaka-partey . Couldn't be bothered past thatThe likes of KdB-Gundogan, Kovacic-Kante, Ndidi-Tielemans isn’t even a debate, but I genuinely would rather have the likes of Rice-Soucek or Xhaka-Partey in our midfield than McFred. They make us lose so much attacking impetus for the benefit of slightly more defensive stability.
I rate both players individually (I started the Fred was value for money thread!), but they are frankly shit together. Their limitations on the ball stifle us so much in our build up play.
We desperately need a new midfield 2 this summer if we are to challenge for the title next season. Pogba and a new DM.
A Carrick in our team would revolutionise our midfield. Last year after lockdown, we had our best run for a while with a midfield trio of Matic, Pogba and Bruno and I think Matic was probably the key player that just made it work. A Carrick would be even better, thoughYeah agree. We could really need someone like Carrick to our team.
Sometimes he does it within a single minuteFred managed to showcase his best and worst traits in a single game. Some feat
Why are you folks summoning me?Ridiculous, says the person who created this thread, oh the irony...
It’s an observation. I already said, I rate Fred and McT individually, but when they play together, we lack a lot of attacking impetus.Why you making this thread during our game v Milan? Which we won.
We have done well when both have started together, I think it's more to do with the kind of games. They are good when it's all chaos, when the game is tactical, methodical they struggle. Usually Serie A teams are very good at it.It’s an observation. I already said, I rate Fred and McT individually, but when they play together, we lack a lot of attacking impetus.
That’s what I’m saying with this thread, but many people can’t seem to understand that. People are reacting as if I didn’t specify that I rated McFred as individual players. However, if they play together, chances are we’ll keep a clean sheet, which is mightily important, but chances also are that we’ll create far less chances than we need to. Same with Matic + Fred when they play together. That is why I feel we need a Pogba + new DM midfield next year, or the masses of 0-0 draws will just continue.We have done well when both have started together, I think it's more to do with the kind of games. They are good when it's all chaos, when the game is tactical, methodical they struggle. Usually Serie A teams are very good at it.
Spoken like you only watch Manchester united games. Kovacic and Kante have been horrible for most of the season, don't even get me started on the arsenal midfield. Oh how about the Liverpool midfield, without Trent and Robertsons creativity they have been average. Is there a need to even mention Sissoko and Hoijbier or however you spell his name?The likes of KdB-Gundogan, Kovacic-Kante, Ndidi-Tielemans isn’t even a debate, but I genuinely would rather have the likes of Rice-Soucek or Xhaka-Partey in our midfield than McFred. They make us lose so much attacking impetus for the benefit of slightly more defensive stability.
I rate both players individually (I started the Fred was value for money thread!), but they are frankly shit together. Their limitations on the ball stifle us so much in our build up play.
We desperately need a new midfield 2 this summer if we are to challenge for the title next season. Pogba and a new DM.
I watch every single game I can, whether it’s Burnley vs WBA or . Since Tuchel arrived, Kovacic and Kante have been excellent. Pool’s main deep midfielders, Fabinho and Henderson, have played in defence this season.Spoken like you only watch Manchester united games. Kovacic and Kante have been horrible for most of the season, don't even get me started on the arsenal midfield. Oh how about the Liverpool midfield, without Trent and Robertsons creativity they have been average. Is there a need to even mention Sissoko and Hoijbier or however you spell his name?
I think most people would agree they are not the long term answer. But your thread is over the top so naturally you received over the top answers as well.That’s what I’m saying with this thread, but many people can’t seem to understand that. People are reacting as if I didn’t specify that I rated McFred as individual players. However, if they play together, chances are we’ll keep a clean sheet, which is mightily important, but chances also are that we’ll create far less chances than we need to. Same with Matic + Fred when they play together. That is why I feel we need a Pogba + new DM midfield next year, or the masses of 0-0 draws will just continue.
Will we ever win the league with a McFred midfield? No. Do we have a far enhanced chance of winning the league with a Pogba + new DM midfield, or even Pogba + one of McFred? Definitely, but some people don’t think so, which I think is...pretty weird. I thought it was obvious.
McTominay has scored 7 times this seasonThey have their uses, but OP is right. They offer zero attacking treath, which means all attacking responsibility falls on Bruno. If hes marked, then our build up is forced out wide 10/10 times
Ok fair enough, attacking treath was the wrong term, but in terms of build up play they offer next to nothingMcTominay has scored 7 times this season
Why you starting it when the game is onIt’s an observation. I already said, I rate Fred and McT individually, but when they play together, we lack a lot of attacking impetus.
Over the top would be when people called Lingard a Championship player.I think most people would agree they are not the long term answer. But your thread is over the top so naturally you received over the top answers as well.
Because I noticed it during the game. Is there a rule which says ‘no starting threads during games’?Why you starting it when the game is on
Just find it odd that's allBecause I noticed it during the game. Is there a rule which says ‘no starting threads during games’?
Or anything to do with fred or mctominay of courseNothing to do with Pogba or Bruno of course.
You can’t watch the game and post and read comments at the same time. I’ve popped in the match day thread a few times whichjj be obviously then means eyes are not on the football, yet the thread is full of people moaning about the football they see for 90 minutes. Quite a featI don’t know how you guys create threads and argue for the entire second half, should be watching the feckin game.
When Pogba is out. When he's in, it's a great midfield. We just need more width.Mcfred is the reason why we are good in games when we dont have the ball, and rubbish against teams that sit back.
Here's an answer.Here's a question, do people think Paul Scholes was better than Pogba defensively? I don't think he was. Yet Ole has reservations about playing Pogba in a two man midfield in big games whereas Fergie wouldn't even consider leaving out Scholes. I guess you could argue that the sum total impact Scholes had in midfield (tempo control, passing range, movement off the ball etc.) was so great, he was still a no brainer to play despite his defensive shortcomings. Another view could be that it comes down to whether their midfield partner is good enough to carry the defensive load. In Scholes's case, Keane and Carrick were, whereas right now we don't have anyone of that elk. I'm inclined to subscribe to the latter view, meaning, if we can get Pogba the right defensive partner, one who can not only carry the defensive workload but is also able to contribute to our tempo control and in decent on the ball, Ole can play Pogba in a midfield two irrespective of the opposition. The big Ifs of course are getting him to sign a new contract and staying injury free.
Coming back to this thread, of course it's an OTT title. No, McFred isn't the worse in the top 10 but it is arguably the worst in the top 4 and is also worse than Liverpool's midfield. However, this isn't a fair comparison, McFred isn't our first choice midfield in most games, they just happen to play alot because Pogba has missed a large amount of games due to injuries.
I think right now, Pogba/Fred is our best midfield in terms of balance. Simply because Fred is better than McTominay defensively though I don't think the choice is as obvious as it could be because of Fred's deficiencies on the ball. The best version of Pogba/Fred was Vs Seville last year where we controlled the midfield and game against a good footballing side, unfortunately missed chances and 2 defensive lapses cost us the game.
Hopefully we can get a better progressive DM next season to partner Pogba so we can have McFred as more than capable backups. We could even interchange with Pogba/Fred and McTominay/new DM. Either way, hopefully we'll rarely see McFred again in important games.
You honestly think McGinn and Luiz is a better midfield two?Over the top would be when people called Lingard a Championship player.
Let’s take a look at the top 10 of the PL this season, and their two holding/box to box midfielders:
1) City - Gundogan and KdB/Rodri
2) United - McFred
3) Leicester - Ndidi and Tielemans
4) Chelsea - Kovacic and Kante
5) West Ham - Rice and Soucek
6) Pool - Fabinho and Henderson
7) Everton - Doucoure and Allan
8) Spurs - Ndombele and Hojbjerg
9) Villa - McGinn and Douglas Luiz
10) Arsenal - Xhaka and Partey
Honestly, the people who disagree with me, the only reasons they can come up with us ‘over the top’, ‘nonsense’, ‘the irony’ ‘Kovacic and Kante ‘ but with no explanation. The biggest belter is ‘we’re second’ like football is a 2 man game. No, we’re second because we have a very good team in essentially every position bar the centre of midfield.
If any of those midfield pairings were to transfer here in exchange of McFred, would people really be able to say with a straight face that they wouldn’t take them because they wouldn’t improve us, both offensively and defensively? I don’t think so, not at all. They are good players individually, but together, they stifle us so much. Genuinely don’t understand what some people are seeing, clearly not much for most, because they aren’t giving good reasons. That JJ12 for example was simply here to derail the thread last night.
If you check those matches under Tuchel in the Premier League where Kovacic played more than 60 minutes then you get the followings:I watch every single game I can, whether it’s Burnley vs WBA or . Since Tuchel arrived, Kovacic and Kante have been excellent. Pool’s main deep midfielders, Fabinho and Henderson, have played in defence this season.
Also, you definitely don’t watch Spurs games, because if you did, you’d know that Ndombele-Hojbjerg was their main pairing.
That’s not how you play the moaning game, you just pick any kind of midfielders who are on a good run from a different team and use them to have a go at out players, positions and roles don’t really matter.Since when do De Bruyne and Gundogen play as a midfield 2?