MEN banned from the press conference today | Some journalists banned for running articles without approaching United for comment first

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You’re spot on about the generally clickbaity nature of the traditional press due to digital commercialisation. I also agree that (if true), it wasn’t best practice from the journalists to not offer the

However, I seriously doubt that somebody like Luckhurst, with the backing of his editor, would put their professional neck on the line like that if their sources were not credible. Ultimately, reliability is the most important thing for a news journalist to be credibility, and if they are exposed using phoney sources then they can consider themselves to be unemployable as nobody will read their articles and they will be a liability to an outlet like MEN that brands itself as a trusted source of news (whether you personally trust MEN or not is down to you).

It is also in the interests of journalists like Luckhurst to maintain good relations with the club. Such negative stories of player revolts are already a risk for them given that the club can, for example, overlook them for exclusives or in this case, totally revoke access.

But it is also in the interests of the club to maintain good relations with the MEN and the local media. The club will need exposure for positive stories or briefings they want to put out in order to control the narrative. I suspect that, when this all blows over, the club’s comms team will say that they pushed to take action in that manner by Ten Hag and now that he’s gone their relationship can go back to normal.




Have you considered that supporting the team and the club is dependent on having a capable and competent manager who is not hated by his playing staff? Have you considered that is not feasible to get rid of every single player Ten Hag has fallen out with and instead get a manager who can get the most out of the players already there? Have you considered that, even if we did get rid of every player that is considered problematic, Ten Hag is the last person who should be trusted with a rebuild given his shambolic tactics, treatment of players, training methods and signings are the cause of the crisis we are currently in.

I use terms such as Ten Hag cultists because in the eyes of some posters, he can do no wrong. Ten Hag is portrayed as a victim and every excuse under the sun is made for . This is why I question whether your loyalty is to the club or the manager. Loyalty to the club does not equal loyalty to the manager if the manager is one of the largest controllable factors for these issues.

I am fully aware of the obstacles he faces that are beyond his control: the Glazers, the lack of football structure and the ego of modern professionals.

But there are things within Ten Hag’s control where he is failing miserably: the signings, falling out with players, illogical and inconsistent team selections, arduous training sessions and the persistence with the same disastrous tactics (the 3-1-6 and the man-to-man press) despite the same pattern of problems (we regularly concede the same of type and we let in too many shots every game).

You can keep blaming the players and their ego all you like. No amount of effort and dedication can mitigate for Ten Hag being tactically outmanoeuvred almost every single game. This is why this squad mutiny is in the best interests of the club. Ten Hag’s decisions are truly a liability at this point.

The issue with the Ten Hag cultists is that they have already imagined him taking the club back to its old heights and they don’t want to let go of it. Personally, I don’t care who takes us back to the top. It could be Steven Gerrard or John Terry for all I care, as long as it is Manchester United at the top of the league. I am 100% convinced that Ten Hag will take us further away from this ny manager in our post-SAF era. We didn’t even look this bad under Moyes.

The cultists may argue that this is just a blip. Indeed it may be. But I have seen enough to conclude that, should we recover and reach another blip, this manager is either: a) too stubborn to change a clearly failing tactic or b) he can’t even read the game well enough to diagnose the issues and apply the corrective measures.

Whichever one it is, I have seen enough. As we say in Arabic - you need not drink all of the sea’s water to know that it is salty.
Bizarre
 

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If the media want access to press conferences they have to at least check with the club before running a story, now the club can employ delaying tactics and have a right of reply. Let's say you are going into a big game against a rival and the media want to drop a story which would create added drama for the players before a big game, do you think it would be quite useful to have some way of delaying that story or being aware that it is about to drop so you can prepare the players and staff?
That would change little as you won't be given all the time in the world to comment. The paper or website will have already decided when to publish. If you try to delay, they will be within their right to pubish without a comment.
 

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Sure the british media always has to be provocative but this just seems vain and petty from ETH and the way he conducted himself with some players it really doesnt suprise me.

Sack
 

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I want journalists to do their work and give me the sort of inside information that United won"t want published. I want to know what is going on at the club.
Good luck with that, you'll always read someones narrative.

A rather large problem is that everyone wants to be someone these days, ever since the likes of certain transfer gurus and shit like that, youtube wankers gaining credibility to the point where they get invited to studios, you have journalists that also wants to be seen as important. Luckhurst is self obsessed, always has been.
 

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It's a battle of perception at the end of the day.

If the leaks etc are rubbish the player can play well the next week and humiliate those writing these articles proving they're talking out of their backside.

Ten Haag can say anything to refute the writing, as long as the performances back him up and his players are up for the game. Infact he doesnt need to say shit. He just need to win.

Saying those journalists lying when you have pores and holes on your team and not to mention things get leaked in the past as well would make us look petty.

And for what it's worth the leak is probably true as much as we dont like those names. The players dont look like they even care. No teamwork, no workrate.
 

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It's a battle of perception at the end of the day.

If the leaks etc are rubbish the player can play well the next week and humiliate those writing these articles proving they're talking out of their backside.

Ten Haag can say anything to refute the writing, as long as the performances back him up and his players are up for the game. Infact he doesnt need to say shit. He just need to win.

Saying those journalists lying when you have pores and holes on your team and not to mention things get leaked in the past as well would make us look petty.

And for what it's worth the leak is probably true as much as we dont like those names. The players dont look like they even care. No teamwork, no workrate.
Your last point here is complete nonsense to be fair
 

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What a load of waffle. Another load of crap just so you can say you want ETH sacked in another thread. I can't be arsed to look but I'd say you think Sancho is in the right and will defend players like Martial, Rashford etc for being lazy and out of form.

MEN has long since ceased to be a resprespectable outlet. As for it's sport coverage Luckhurst has been covering Utd for nearly 10 years. He's made a career out of shit stirring, because shit stirring is what gains him the most traction and responses. Any decent journalist will look to other side of a story to gain their point of view or comments.

None of this is about ETH, it's about the club telling these shysters we've had enough of your bullshit, now either you go about things the right way or you don't have direct access to ask questions. There's nothing wrong with that and it's been a long time coming.

And I would 100% continue to deny them all access until they reveal their sources. They need Utd more than Utd need them.
That's nonsense - no responsible journalist will reveal his sources unless the source wants to be revealed. He'd instantly lose all credibility as a journalist if he did. For the same reason, it would be absurd for United to demand this. That's not how the press works, or have ever worked, or should work.

However, MEN has a responsibility not to print stories that are insufficiently sourced. Usually, that involves either physical evidence or more than one source telling the same thing independently of the first. If the club feels justified in claiming what's been written is simply untrue, then they're right to react.
 

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Sure the british media always has to be provocative but this just seems vain and petty from ETH and the way he conducted himself with some players it really doesnt suprise me.

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Yeah, Fergie never did anything like this, right?
 

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For all the desire to become a possession-based side, United are still at their best when they play on the counter-attack and have countlessly come unstuck against teams that sit back and invite them to attack.

What really bugs me about MEN is the laziness and at times pure idiocy of their analysis. The above quote was written by Richard Fay. Really, Richard? Which teams are we talking about here? Man City, Brighton, Newcastle, Spurs and Arsenal? It's like there's an autoloop running in writers brains that goes "emphasise transition=struggle against teams that sit back". No matter if you can falsify that claim by spending 3 seconds recalling which teams United have lost against this season. We very, very, very obviously do not "come unstuck against teams that sit back and invite them to attack". In fact, we have only lost once to such a team this season. We come unstuck when we face the exact opposite type of team, ones that do not sit back but on the contrary attack us vigorously.
 

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That's nonsense - no responsible journalist will reveal his sources unless the source wants to be revealed. He'd instantly lose all credibility as a journalist if he did. For the same reason, it would be absurd for United to demand this. That's not how the press works, or have ever worked, or should work.

However, MEN has a responsibility not to print stories that are insufficiently sourced. Usually, that involves either physical evidence or more than one source telling the same thing independently of the first. If the club feels justified in claiming what's been written is simply untrue, then they're right to react.
He barely has any as it is.

10 years of his crap. It's high time he was put back in his box.
 

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That's nonsense - no responsible journalist will reveal his sources unless the source wants to be revealed. He'd instantly lose all credibility as a journalist if he did.
So not much then
 

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Sure the british media always has to be provocative but this just seems vain and petty from ETH and the way he conducted himself with some players it really doesnt suprise me.

Sack
So if Samuel Luckhurst goes to Jadon Sancho for example, who has been banished from the squad for coming late to trainings repeatedly, half-arsing it in training once actually there, and calling the manager a liar in public, and then gives his side of the story as an anonymous dressing room source, you think that’s cause for sacking the manager?

Okay…
 

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Of course not.

Which of the several reports yesterday was a lie?
That is the issue, if a manager comes out and criticises a players effort or the owners they get the sack. Players just go behind everybodies back. Like the Jose situation, he said what he was thinking. His players just went to the press as an anonymous source.
 

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So if Samuel Luckhurst goes to Jadon Sancho for example, who has been banished from the squad for coming late to trainings repeatedly, half-arsing it in training once actually there, and calling the manager a liar in public, and then gives his side of the story as an anonymous dressing room source, you think that’s cause for sacking the manager?

Okay…
I am convinced that some of the posters either work for MEN or are so into the sack ETH or sell a player thing, that they would rather side with the lying media than the club.
 

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They're suggesting they were banned as well.

Yeh, seen it on the BBC page earlier but no suggestion they were banned so now sure why they are upset. Apart from them being an absolute joke that is.
 

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Yeh, seen it on the BBC page earlier but no suggestion they were banned so now sure why they are upset. Apart from them being an absolute joke that is.
‘Ah, diddums’ should be the official club statement to all these gutter rags that are crying about being banned.
 

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How does the club knows that those reports aren't correct?

It doesn't. It can't.

United being annoyed that it wasn't contacted for comment is fine. That is something that the journalists should have done. But assuming that the the reports are false and "bull shit" is based on nothing but wanting to believe that.
So are you saying that if the club says a report is not true we can't believe our club? But if a reporter says something to be true we have to take it at face value and not question it? Bizarre.

assuming that the the reports are true and not "bull shit" is based on nothing but wanting to believe.

I'll trust my club in what they say.
 

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So are you saying that if the club says a report is not true we can't believe our club? But if a reporter says something to be true we have to take it at face value and not question it? Bizarre.

assuming that the the reports are true and not "bull shit" is based on nothing but wanting to believe.

I'll trust my club in what they say.
The club never say there's a problem.

We're fine I guess
 

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How does the club knows that those reports aren't correct?

It doesn't. It can't.

United being annoyed that it wasn't contacted for comment is fine. That is something that the journalists should have done. But assuming that the the reports are false and "bull shit" is based on nothing but wanting to believe that.
The club must know, hence the action taking and might have been able to convey that to the reporters if they didn’t publish such unsubstantiated bullshit.
Im pretty fecking sure they know 50 percent of the playing staff hasn’t fallen out with the manager for feck sake
 

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If they were banned for not coming to the club for comment first then I’m 100% behind this!

There’s a protocol & these mouthy gits should respect it. This sets a public precedent.

What’s happened is everyone was getting their dunces in a row, someone went early & being the followers lots of them are they didn’t want to be beaten to the punch so all dropped it but they didn’t follow due process. Ban them.

They’ll be allowed back in, this isn’t a lifetime ban far as I see it. They could still report on what’s said, they just couldn’t be in the room asking the questions.
 

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It was fecking 20 y ago.
Football moved, world moved... Just look your self in the mirror and see where was you 20 y ago.

Jfc, in 2050 we will talk what Fergie did.
Calm down.

The point is ETH is not the first manager to ban journalists, and he won't be the last.
However, he does seem to be generating the most outrage.
 

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All feels a little pathetic tbh and provides them with more ammunition. Allow them in and confront them directly if they've overstepped the mark.
 

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All feels a little pathetic tbh and provides them with more ammunition. Allow them in and confront them directly if they've overstepped the mark.
The whole thing is embarrassing and suggests club is out of control and ETH is floundering. Noone can be surprised at what is being written when we can all see the awful performances and glaring like of effort from half the team. We all saw ETH shouting at martial, a total waste of space yet ETH chose to start him. We know he banned Sancho and wants him gone. We know he's relegated Varanne to the bench. People need to stop blaming the press.
 

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It’s quite pathetic how these journos are reacting to this ban. They genuinely seem personally offended and emotionally damaged by it. Bizarre stuff.
So pathetic. If the journalist that wrote that headline can not see the irony then he/she has no business being in journalism.

Seeing how the journalists have reacted is brillant. Baby's throwing the toys out of the pram. Love it. Shows how right we were to ban these self entitled spoiled baby's.
 

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Ten Hag has gone back up a few notches in my estimation for this. Put these fecking bottom feeders in their place.
 

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The whole thing is embarrassing and suggests club is out of control and ETH is floundering. Noone can be surprised at what is being written when we can all see the awful performances and glaring like of effort from half the team. We all saw ETH shouting at martial, a total waste of space yet ETH chose to start him. We know he banned Sancho and wants him gone. We know he's relegated Varanne to the bench. People need to stop blaming the press.
Maybe from your perspective. But for most of us United fans we are excited to see this happen. Journalists need to know that they can't just write anything they want. That they have to adhear to proper journalistic procedures. If they want the privilege of being able to be at our press conferences then they better act accordingly.