Well mate Fergie got it correct most of the time this guy is not comparable to the great man
MEN banned from the press conference today | Some journalists banned for running articles without approaching United for comment first
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And? Martial started because Hojlund had a niggle and couldn't start 2 games in a row. He was the only other 'striker' who was fit. Would you rather have ETH recall McNeil who can't get a game at a L1 club or the numerous u-18 strikers who have never played a senior game and start them? Sure, have a go at him for starting Rashford when he had other options. Varane lost his place to Maguire who has earner it due to his performances. Now Varane needs to show he's up for it and earn it back. That's competition for places. The less spoken about Sancho the better.
People will have a go at ETH for anything he does. How many more managers will have to be sacked before you lot put some blame on the players?
That pretty much says it all. You want inside information on United. That's what's sells. That's why these journalists write these stories. And they are stories. Whatever they write you lap it up like it's the truth.
I find it so bizarre that you will believe every word a journalists writes but when United refute the claims of said article you side with the journalist. Cause they must be telling the truth. They have to, they're journalists.
Article on F365:
https://www.football365.com/news/ma...ngjournalist-who-raised-mason-mount-questions
Man Utd stand accusing of ‘bullying’ (self) important journalist who raised Mason Mount questions
Editor F365 2 hours ago
Erik ten Hag attends a pre-match press conference.
Manchester United refused entry to four journalists on Tuesday and one of them is really angry. Don’t they know who he is?
As Luck would have it…
On Tuesday several high-profile journalists were refused entry to Manchester United’s pre-match press conference.
Mediawatch will now explain why, because that information is missing from much of the coverage, but particularly from a self-important, self-aggrandising, self-indulgent, self-serving w*nk-fest written by second-year university student Manchester Evening News man Samuel Luckhurst, who wants you to believe United are conspiring to silence his truth-seeking rather than, you know, uphold the basic principles of journalism.
Luckhurst, along with Sky Sports‘ Kaveh Solekhol, the Mirror‘s David McDonnell and Rob Dawson of ESPN, were not allowed to attend Erik ten Hag’s press conference ahead of the Wednesday night clash with Chelsea after writing stories about players and staff members turning against the Dutchman.
United were pretty clear in their reasoning, issuing a statement saying: “We are taking action against a number of news organisations. Not for publishing stories we don’t like, but for doing so without contacting us first to give us the opportunity to comment, challenge or contextualise. We believe this is an important principle to defend and we hope it can lead to a re-set in the way we work together.”
Basically, the journalists gave United no right of reply.
Very little has been heard from three-quarters of the Forbidden Four since. But there is an exception. Step forward Samuel Luckhurst, clearly absent from the opening-day lecture about how journalists should never make themselves the story, not least because nobody gives a f*** about journalists.
And my word, does he make himself the story.
The headline:
But this might be the greatest of all opening lines:
What follows is astonishing, but we will run you through a few highlights, none of which feature the actual reason Luckhurst was banned. But all of which paint Luckhurst as being one of the most important people in Manchester.
There were many other reasons not to spend a small fortune on Mason Mount.
Mediawatch has been scrolling for three or four minutes and is yet to find an announce of sympathy.
Mediawatch suspects that it was the ‘some staff members’ that irked. As you absolutely knew it would.
Nobody is doubting that there is trouble afoot at Manchester United and it is absolutely Luckhurst’s job to write about it. But it’s really not his job to write about himself as if he is the victim of a great injustice because he failed to follow the rules. Yours truly is happy to point that out.
https://www.football365.com/news/ma...ngjournalist-who-raised-mason-mount-questions
Man Utd stand accusing of ‘bullying’ (self) important journalist who raised Mason Mount questions
Editor F365 2 hours ago
Erik ten Hag attends a pre-match press conference.
Manchester United refused entry to four journalists on Tuesday and one of them is really angry. Don’t they know who he is?
As Luck would have it…
On Tuesday several high-profile journalists were refused entry to Manchester United’s pre-match press conference.
Mediawatch will now explain why, because that information is missing from much of the coverage, but particularly from a self-important, self-aggrandising, self-indulgent, self-serving w*nk-fest written by second-year university student Manchester Evening News man Samuel Luckhurst, who wants you to believe United are conspiring to silence his truth-seeking rather than, you know, uphold the basic principles of journalism.
Luckhurst, along with Sky Sports‘ Kaveh Solekhol, the Mirror‘s David McDonnell and Rob Dawson of ESPN, were not allowed to attend Erik ten Hag’s press conference ahead of the Wednesday night clash with Chelsea after writing stories about players and staff members turning against the Dutchman.
United were pretty clear in their reasoning, issuing a statement saying: “We are taking action against a number of news organisations. Not for publishing stories we don’t like, but for doing so without contacting us first to give us the opportunity to comment, challenge or contextualise. We believe this is an important principle to defend and we hope it can lead to a re-set in the way we work together.”
Basically, the journalists gave United no right of reply.
Very little has been heard from three-quarters of the Forbidden Four since. But there is an exception. Step forward Samuel Luckhurst, clearly absent from the opening-day lecture about how journalists should never make themselves the story, not least because nobody gives a f*** about journalists.
And my word, does he make himself the story.
The headline:
No, you pointed out Manchester United’s dressing-room issues, did not follow the etiquette of offering a right of reply, and were banned.
But this might be the greatest of all opening lines:
If your nipples have not withdrawn into your body and your toes have not cringed deep into your ankles, are you even alive?
What follows is astonishing, but we will run you through a few highlights, none of which feature the actual reason Luckhurst was banned. But all of which paint Luckhurst as being one of the most important people in Manchester.
As you will learn, the role of a United correspondent seems to be to have lunch and inform Manchester United staff of your misgivings.
If only they had listened, Samuel.
‘Yours truly’ is amazing. But possibly not as amazing as expecting Manchester United to pull out of a multi-million pound transfer because of information that is widely available on the internet.
There were many other reasons not to spend a small fortune on Mason Mount.
Hmmm. This would carry slightly more weight if the reaction from Manchester United supporters to Luckhurst being banned had been different. But this is the most-liked response and it is indicative of what comes afterwards:
Mediawatch has been scrolling for three or four minutes and is yet to find an announce of sympathy.
No. But it is your fault you did not contact Manchester United for a right of reply when you wrote that ‘Manchester United manager Erik ten Hag is losing the confidence of players and some staff members as the club’s season continues to spiral’.
Mediawatch suspects that it was the ‘some staff members’ that irked. As you absolutely knew it would.
‘Bully’ is a strong word for ‘refusing entry to their own property’. All they have asked is that you give them an ‘opportunity to comment, challenge or contextualise’ next time. It doesn’t sound like bullying. We don’t think you’d have a case at tribunal.
Nobody is doubting that there is trouble afoot at Manchester United and it is absolutely Luckhurst’s job to write about it. But it’s really not his job to write about himself as if he is the victim of a great injustice because he failed to follow the rules. Yours truly is happy to point that out.
deadly, they’ve just published an article professing to have such a great relationship with the club, but a day previously they were happy to publish whatever claptrap will get them a few clicks, even if it means dragging the club through the mud to get there.. so which is it?
He's not wrong and obviously has no time for our Mr. Luckhurst.
Ferguson did it from a position of strength though.
Who, Editor F365?
Wow. Holy shit. I thought it was parody at first. Checked and saw that Luckhurst really did publish another article today. Ban him for life I'd say.
Completely glosses over the fact that he didn't approach the club first. Doesn't even address what United said in their statement. What a cnut, still trying to make himself victim.
Not a single question about Chelsea. All of this is down to Rashford. I hope they kick him before considering ETH.
They can"t know what people at the club think and tell reporters unless those people tell the club itself.
Or they get the message to rein it in. And start corroborating facts before publishing them.
So you’re genuinely suggesting a newspaper should reveal their anonymous sources? Good luck getting anyone to give you information after that.
If he did the article then yes.
To those of you having a go at the club, remember you’re taking the side of someone so petty that they would go with “Man Utd react to tenth defeat of the season by banning journalists” as their sub-heading and invoking the Munich disaster to show how legitimate they are.
They’ll know it’s lies and is the reason they should be approached for clarification. Otherwise reporters are taking one players word for it and it’s stupid to assume the reporter with one (if not made up source) is more aware of what’s going on at the club than the club itself.
It’s the entire reason why reporters should be held to that standard and have been for decades now.
Genuine question. If the club demands journalists give them the right of reply on articles with supposed leaks from players, should the same journalists seek right of reply from players when the manager questions them?
If Ratcliffe and Blanc and the new recruitment team are announced next week, and possibly by Monday, this is a damn near genius move. There is no way Murtough or ten Hag have made this decision on their own, or United in general deciding yes, NOW we have had enough.
I read an article where Fabrizio Romano was hyping up the announcement as a big moment in United's history, that Blanc has all but agreed and will be announced at the same time, and he did mention something about "the new recruitment team" too. Kaveh from Sky was trying to downplay the potential PR as artificially ramped up, so he knows.
Imagine the explosion of articles and news though. If Uniteds Fred tweet had more likes than Cities treble tweet, what is this going to be like?
I believe Blanc, or the new sporting director maybe will have a press conference, whether next to ten Hag or alone. ten Hags press conference after the announcement alone will be gigantic.
So who's the tough guy now "yours truly"? I'm sure your bosses will be delighted with your actions.
I read an article where Fabrizio Romano was hyping up the announcement as a big moment in United's history, that Blanc has all but agreed and will be announced at the same time, and he did mention something about "the new recruitment team" too. Kaveh from Sky was trying to downplay the potential PR as artificially ramped up, so he knows.
Imagine the explosion of articles and news though. If Uniteds Fred tweet had more likes than Cities treble tweet, what is this going to be like?
I believe Blanc, or the new sporting director maybe will have a press conference, whether next to ten Hag or alone. ten Hags press conference after the announcement alone will be gigantic.
So who's the tough guy now "yours truly"? I'm sure your bosses will be delighted with your actions.
If journalists from reputed media outlets publish something, I tend to believe it unless I have good reason not to. Might be because I work in the media as well.
A club denying things doesn"t mean anything in stories like this that deal with opinions of players and staff members as the club wouldn't start questioning them all. And even if it does, it wouldn't know what they actually think.
You don't know if the reporter talked to only one player. And the club wouldn"t know it"s lies because players and staff members won't be telling rhe club 'yeah, we think ETH is crap and we told the reporter that'.
It's not just MEN. Others were banned as well.
It depends on the journalists, there are certain journalists at the Guardian, Telegraph and Independent (not so many at the Times), who dislike us enormously and who are not objective.
The Daily Mirror has for the latest month(s) have only written incredibly negative articles.
God that's embarrassing.
I don't like the hate journalists get all the time but that's just petty. There's a reason they banned him specifically.
The way he's throwing his toys out of the pram in response, Luckhurst comes across as a misanthropic sycophant. The delusion required to anoint himself a fan representative is next level.
Good riddance. Hope he never comes back in.
Good riddance. Hope he never comes back in.
Let's keep banning them for a few weeks and let's see about the leaks..
Now let's do something about the referees
Now let's do something about the referees
SAF won a European cup with Aberdeen. There is no comparison.
If I go out and imitate a rock superstar, people will laugh at me, and they will be right.
There's a famous quote about dealing with the media that stuck with me over the years: "Never turn a one-day story into a two-day story".
United is well within their rights to ban these journalists, and I support their decision. But there is the risk that doing so will just draw more attention to what's been published and drag it out longer in the news cycle, particularly if we don't follow up with a positive result today.
United is well within their rights to ban these journalists, and I support their decision. But there is the risk that doing so will just draw more attention to what's been published and drag it out longer in the news cycle, particularly if we don't follow up with a positive result today.
The Streisand Effect.
Here’s the kicker.. I don’t actually think there are any,
I’m starting to think it’s journalists being opportunistic and using the whole “dressing room source” thing as a way of cheaply validating their article without ever having to justify anything they print.
“It wasn’t us your honour, it was our anonymous source” …
“Which is?”
“well… they’re anonymous you see”
get in the bin.
Of course there are sources in the dressing room willing to criticize Ten Hag anonymously. Sancho, Varane, etc. The question is how big the anti-ETH camp is but even Ten Hag has admitted that it exists.
Sports journalism has always been low quality, bar a ew exceptions but the age of social media has turned it into a bottom feeder industry.
Some years back, when the rise of Twitter ITK was at it's peak, sports journalists decided to follow that style of journalism after seeing random kids gain huge followings out of thin air.
It's part of the reason The Athletic was born. I'm not their biggest fan but they at least tried to bring back some level lf integrity. Even former heavyweights who you could rely on found themselves slipping into the clickbait game.
Ironically some of the best sports news content these days comes from some of the YouTubers. The likes of HITC Sevens and his documentary type reports who often put a lot of effort into their content and present it well could teach many of these clowns a thing or two. And the thing is, people watch it, they want this type of reporting.
It's also worth remembering that United doesn't need these journalists but they absolutely need United. Especially if you are the MEN.
Some years back, when the rise of Twitter ITK was at it's peak, sports journalists decided to follow that style of journalism after seeing random kids gain huge followings out of thin air.
It's part of the reason The Athletic was born. I'm not their biggest fan but they at least tried to bring back some level lf integrity. Even former heavyweights who you could rely on found themselves slipping into the clickbait game.
Ironically some of the best sports news content these days comes from some of the YouTubers. The likes of HITC Sevens and his documentary type reports who often put a lot of effort into their content and present it well could teach many of these clowns a thing or two. And the thing is, people watch it, they want this type of reporting.
It's also worth remembering that United doesn't need these journalists but they absolutely need United. Especially if you are the MEN.
Why would anything change with the leaks?
Were the last few months not negative for United?
Maybe they might not print it now
Of course they will. Those articles are worth far more than press conference quotes that everyone have and that they can get without even being there.
A big feck you to Mr.Luckhurst
Waiting to see those negative news about problems and that tenHag have lost dressing room.
Quoting my post from the Rashford's thread.
Probably add Rashford to the list of the players who might have been leaking to the press.Everyone saw the same as me right? The 11 who started played like they cared and are still behind the manager. Mr Sulker here barely broke into a sweat and was his usual lazy self and played like he doesn't care for the manager. I wonder, was he the one who is leaking.....
Dont let that muppet Luckhurst back in at all. See how quickly he changes his tune instead of current poor me approach.
Also that conversation outside the coach away to Southampton never happened, no one talks like that in real life. Utter muppet.
Also that conversation outside the coach away to Southampton never happened, no one talks like that in real life. Utter muppet.