soapythecat
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Does he know how to beat a low block?Might as well hire him in all.
Does he know how to beat a low block?Might as well hire him in all.
Nope so he fits right in.Does he know how to beat a low block?
Still doesn't make much sense as the overall ceiling of their capabilities can only be this highIt's well known once you take the pressure of a permanent job employment, the same underperforming applicants start performing waaaay over their capabilities.
It’s not April Fools day mate.we will win the league with them
Agree. Obviously we dont know what the backroom staff are doign behind the scenes, but the evidence on the pitch suggests it isnt great.This is just an utterly utterly bizarre decision from the club.
Only the most deluded of supporters thinks that both Solskjaer and his coaching staff are good enough.
I’ve said it time and time again that if Ole is to stay the entire coaching staff needs replacing with world class tacticians.
You cannot have such a limited manager backed up by such limited coaches. It’s a recipe for disaster.
2 year max or rolling 1 year contracts should be good enough for inexperienced coaches like United have.Organizational continiuity is invaluable. Renewing staff on outgoing contracts is the only way to handle employment when the club is backing the ongoing project.
Fans who insist that we don't renew contracts "and wait and see" are wrong with regards to how a good workplace operates. Just imagine going to work every day and wondering if you're going to get fired in 6 months because you don't know if you're getting a a new contract? It's incredibly distracting and no way to foster a good working environment.
Quite the legacy he's leaving.Woodward doubling down on his catastrophic managerial selection.
This.They need a fire in their backsides. Rewarding them with a new contract will just make them think everything is fine
The results are on the pitch. Who do you think is responsible? The janitor at Old Trafford?Amazing how everyone knows how good or bad Carrick and McKenna are.
Yeah, its not Pep who won PL, its his staff like Kidd, Arteta. Same with Klopp who apparently lost brain behind the attack when he lost his assistant.The results are on the pitch. Who do you think is responsible? The janitor at Old Trafford?
Hmm. That’s all good except you forgot one small little detail. Competence.Organizational continiuity is invaluable. Renewing staff on outgoing contracts is the only way to handle employment when the club is backing the ongoing project.
Fans who insist that we don't renew contracts "and wait and see" are wrong with regards to how a good workplace operates. Just imagine going to work every day and wondering if you're going to get fired in 6 months because you don't know if you're getting a a new contract? It's incredibly distracting and no way to foster a good working environment.
Okay so he’s a fantastic coach who everyone wanted when he joined us. Fair enough, and I can’t argue with that since you seem to know his past history. But it leads us to three possible scenarios IMO.So that just tells me you didn’t read much about him. It was quite well publicised that Spurs were pissed that we poached him. Also more I’m saying he doesn’t just think ‘go out there and play’ he has a style of playing and knows far much more than you ever could about coaching tactics and football in general. But yeh belittle him because you’ve done now research into him.
I've numbered the sentences so you know what I'm replying to, because you seem to be a bit all over the place.1. Hmm. That’s all good except you forgot one small little detail. Competence.
2. The so called “ongoing project” you mention isn’t successful enough.
3. You know. Zero trophies in three years. Our spendings and resources isn’t on par with our results. A significant part of our customers are complaining. If you open your eyes it’s “Ole Out“ more or less every day on social media. Search it on google if you’re insecure.
4. Why? The entertainment is often shit according to parts of our supporters. I can agree with that.
5. Media talks about it. Even Gary Neville. Our results isn‘t what supporters expected when the club bought Ronaldo, Varane and Sancho. The management looks more and more clueless. Ole seems to lost it. He smiles after we loss points at home. Not everybody’s cup of tea.
6. Maybe you don’t agree. Thats ok. If I’m correct you’re from the same country as our manager. So your view is understandable. Or to be more specific. Those who’re a little bit familiar with Norway totally understand this, almost expects it.
7. In any other businesses incompetence and bad results would mean a change of management. That’s why people suggest Ole Out. This is also the reason people get upset when the club is prolonging incompetences by offering new deals to our assistant coaches.
Do people actually believe this ? Whether you like the style of play or not, this can't possibly be true. Its a load of shite.I don’t think they come up with “ideas” at all. It’s all about get the best players on the pitch and hope they do something on their own and win the game. There isn’t a plan.
This is nonsense. There are millions of people in the world who are qualified and experienced and still incompetent. Playing football at a high level doesn't necessarily make you a good coach, nor does holding a sports science degree.I've numbered the sentences so you know what I'm replying to, because you seem to be a bit all over the place.
1. Re: competence. You seem to be a bit confused about what this actually is.
Michael Carrick is employed as first team coach at Manchester United. He's got 524 First Division/Premier League games to his name along with 34 international outings. He's been part of Manchester Uniteds coaching staff since 2018. He's got vast first hand experience as a player and 3 full years as a coach(AM under Mourinho). He's well qualified for his current position.
Kieran McKenna has been part of Mancester Uniteds coaching staff at various levels since 2016, was tottenhams u-18 coach before that and holds a sports science degree.
Both are competent through education and sporting qualification to hold coaching roles at a elite level sportsclub. More importantly, you don't have any clue what they're doing. When you argue competence you're basing that off the on-pitch results over the last month of games.
What I'm getting at is that they're both qualified to hold the positions they do. Re: competence: They wouldnt be hired if someone didnt find them competent enough to hold the position they do, nor renew their contracts.This is nonsense. There are millions of people in the world who are qualified and experienced and still incompetent. Playing football at a high level doesn't necessarily make you a good coach, nor does holding a sports science degree.
We don't know if they're good at what they do, because we don't know what they do and how much of an influence they have. Based on our performances this season, it's hard to imagine they're doing a particularly good job, though
Which coach implements the style when you have manager in charge?Okay so he’s a fantastic coach who everyone wanted when he joined us. Fair enough, and I can’t argue with that since you seem to know his past history. But it leads us to three possible scenarios IMO.
a) he’s successfully implemented his style of play during the three years he’s been here, and this is what we get.
b) what we’re currently producing is not his style of play but he hasn’t been able to implement his style of play in three years,
c) this isn’t his style of play but nobody listens to him so his style of play doesn’t get implemented.
Does this fill you with confidence that all he and the others need is another three years and we’ll be fecking grand?
Not everyone makes it at the highest level, which goes for coaches and players, and there’s no shame in that. Meulensteen, for example, while being a supposedly great coach, couldn’t cut it as a top level manager, and McKenna so far, while being a great coach at youth level hasn’t done much to convince me that he’s a great coach at first team level.
The fact that Spurs were angry that we poached him shouldn’t affect the opinion of how he’s currently performing for us. Should we hold on to Charlie McNeill until he retires because City were pissed off when we poached him, even if he never turns out to be any good for the first team?
Because one cannot properly place cones and perform his duties if he doesn’t have a three year contract.Why do they need to be given contract extensions though?
Are they in demand elsewhere?
This and few posts from @roonster09 should have closed the thread. Instead we have a crying fest.I don't know the work they do behind the scenes so can't really comment if it's good or not.. neither can anyone else. The responsibility of everything working or not lies with the manager though. They pick their own coaching staff to do what they want. So this is just extending them to what Ole is extended to.
He is the assistant coach, you know that?Honestly I hadn’t heard of him before he joined us. Now I’m not saying I know every single top coach but I usually know about the coaches we hire cause I genuinely like to read up on them and see their style of play. But being a great U-18 coach doesn’t mean anything if you don’t adapt to the level of completion and players you’re playing with. It just means you aren’t good at your job. Same with players coming from the Championship. Just cause they smashed it in the Championship doesn’t mean they will smash in the PL.
I need to get my head into this mindframe. I'm sometimes actually jealous of the Ole In lot how they can just take solace off the fact that an ex player manages us, and that is enough. I want more than anything to enjoy United again, go to games and hope I'm going to be excited by what I see, have some hope that our amazing team will produce amazing things. I must be a bloody fool because apparently none of that matters in football.It's quite liberating tbh. You only feel pain if you actually had hope of winning something. Now I know our aim is to get top 4. We'll be Arsenal under Wenger, minus the FA cups.
It's so odd - it's not even like we can attack the spending. They have spent money that should have has up there, but they seem so happy to accept mediocrity in other aspects of the team.I need to get my head into this mindframe. I'm sometimes actually jealous of the Ole In lot how they can just take solace off the fact that an ex player manages us, and that is enough. I want more than anything to enjoy United again, go to games and hope I'm going to be excited by what I see, have some hope that our amazing team will produce amazing things. I must be a bloody fool because apparently none of that matters in football.