wow thanks for that. I had just got the feeling that he is actual really poor at free kicks. Never see him score one.
Ronaldo is the more complete attacker. Maybe not complete player.
Do you have any evidence for this?
Exactly!
These numbers are completely wrong, they don't consider competitions like the copa del rey or the supercopa or UEFA supercup.
Is he though? He scores negligibly more. However he is purely the end of the attack whereas Messi can statt the attack be the middle of an attack or be the one to push the ball into the net. Messi can do wel in all attacking positions. I’d say Ronaldo is a better pure striker than Messi in a target man way, but that’s it.
I literally said that it only takes into account the league and the champions league, the numbers are right. I don't have the number of attempts for the other competitions which is why I excluded them.
The season after the one you sold Ronnie you won the league and got to a UCL final anyway. We've yet to see how big of a donwfall for Barcelona Messi leaving us will be, time will tell.
You usually bash on stats like "conversion rate" when people use them to put Messi above Ronaldo as a goalscorer, now you're going to use that to talk about who's a better FK shooter?
Because they score at the same rate career-wise, but lately, Leo is miles better than Ronaldo at free kicks.
That's the thing though, Messi scores just as much as Ronaldo despite being a magician/genius etc etc. I mean, 90 goals in a season?
I'll be kinda naive here and believe that, but you'd agree that leaving out of your stats finals and Cup ties, where he has scored 5 goals since 09/10 (what amounts leaving out 20% of his FK goals at club level) skews greatly your stats?. The bulk of the FK Leo and Cris throw come from La Liga, surely he hasn't shot 60 free kicks between Supercups and Copa del Rey matches in that span of time to keep the same ratio.
21 of the 32 singles titles Roddick won were at ATP 250 level. Just 1 Slam and 5 ATP 1000 titles for a man who was the 2nd best for so long.
Sorry but it seems you cherry-picked these stats. If we consider all competitions Ronaldo scored 32 goals from free kick since 2009/10, which are only 3 more than 29, while Messi has scored 12 more, which means that his conversion rate should be much higher than 6.7% considering that in the super cup and copa del rey a player doesn't play a lot of matches and therefore doesn't have a lot of attempts.
Messi fans resorting to Copa del Rey and Supercups to make their point
And how useful is getting close to scoring if ones doesn’t score?
It means the player's aim is better dopey.
It’s like a game of bullseye with one player keeping Hitting 25 and the other hitting double 5 and double 1.
I don't know what's wrong with that, especially considering that some of these goals were against good teams like Real Madrid or SevillaMessi fans resorting to Copa del Rey and Supercups to make their point
Far as I know, the same wall, goals and most of the time almost the same goalkeepers protect their goals from a free kick in the cup legs or Supercup finals.Messi fans resorting to Copa del Rey and Supercups to make their point
We never did though
Any particular reason why the reference to Hazard? That said I think that you have pretty much nailed it more than most in here, great post.
just because I feel like that at his best that Hazard is kind of like a Messi lite. Might be just me though!For a player as good as him, we pretty much did until the sending off. He scored a header in the first game, which was pretty incredible, but we had him in our pocket in the 2nd leg. Messi ran us ragged in 09 and 11.
and in 2008?
No, it means he sacrificed power for accuracy, but as pointed out, their scoring rate from freekicks is similar.
Except with this game, it's either a goal or nothing, you don't get points for being close.
I just meant that, for top clubs, the league and the CL are by far the most important competitions. IF, and that's an IF because I couldn't find any data on it, Messi needs to count the supercup and cup games to have a better freekick conversion ratio than Ronaldo, he can't be much better. Their record in CL & La Liga is similar.
Actually, less pressure in a less important match, makes it easier to score, same with penalties.
IF Ronaldo wins the WC, the debate will also be settled. I don't see Portugal winning it though.
Depends, if you consider stopping him from scoring then yeah.
You just measured keeping ronaldo quite on exactly that (scoring), so I thought you would use the same principle for Messi.
No, it means he's more dangerous from free kicks.
You would've loved the old teletext days days Cal?
Like scoring in a final, at the Bernabeu, before half time, with your team losing 2-0?
But in football, only goals count, I'm sure most amateur footballers can get every single freekick on target if you completely sacrifice power and chip the ball towards the goal. Whilst obviously that's not the case with Messi, it's obvious that he goes for accuracy more than power, whilst Ronaldo favours power.
If you just chip the ball towards the goal and get 100% on target, are you more dangerous from free kicks?
Messi's more accurate, noone is denying that. The point is that being more accurate is completely irrelevant.
When Messi steps up to take a free kick in a dangerous position it's much more likely he's going to seriously trouble the keeper and score than Ronaldo in a similarly dangerous position. Therefore he's more dangerous from free kicks.
Are you sure about that?
As pointed out many times in this very thread, their freekick conversion ratio in the past decade is quite similar, so I don't know how you arrived at "he's much more likely to score than Ronaldo".
