*Looks at Juventus last year*
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Not really, he won the title last season with the same team, different manager.
35 games played and Messi is only 6 points (2 wins) ahead in the same old league he always plays against.
3rd and 5th.
The myth that Messi can conquer another league is still to be seen. Was very close with all the fights but looks like he is happy to relax and spend his career with Koeman
Yes I'm sure we all expected Juve not to win the Serie A last seasonNot really, he won the title last season with the same team, different manager.
35 games played and Messi is only 6 points (2 wins) ahead in the same old league he always plays against.
3rd and 5th.
The myth that Messi can conquer another league is still to be seen. Was very close with all the fights but looks like he is happy to relax and spend his career with Koeman
Its mad Messi didnt win the league the season when Ronaldo left. He is struggling.
Couple goals against Elche and he is GOAT doing something nobody has seen before.
I'm not going to go back and forth with this. But thank to Juve Messi fanboys now have a reply to "Where is Messi when his team needs him even after he has scored 2 goals in the first leg"Clearly not you, but people that watched it thought Lazio would get it as they were really good. They failed in key moments and Juve was able to crawl to the title.
Also clearly it's not Messi's fault that Barça is failing with his output, the same way it's not Ronaldo's fault that Juventus is failing with his output. They are doing their part.
I'm talking about before the season started. Juve were still expected to win that season
Here's another example of you being wrong; Barcelona won the league the year after Ronaldo left and Messi was top goalscorer and assister that season - meanwhile a 36 year old Quagliarella scored more goals than Ronaldo for Sampdoria. SIUUUUUU!
Also takes a lot a tragic lack of awareness for you to act like Barcelona losing out to Real Madrid to a league title is 'mad' when this season Juventus, after a decade of winning the league and signing Ronaldo, lost out to Inter who came bottom of their easy CL group. At least Ronaldo should be able to finally claim a capocannoniere after losing out to such heavyweights as Quagliarella and Immobile since he came to Serie A and DOMINATED. In a league where Muriel has a goal every 63 minutes and an injury prone, post-MLS Zlatan who is nearly 40 years old has an identical minutes to goal ratio as Ronaldo
So why didnt Messi win La Liga in 2020?Here's another example of you being wrong; Barcelona won the league the year after Ronaldo left and Messi was top goalscorer and assister that season - meanwhile a 36 year old Quagliarella scored more goals than Ronaldo for Sampdoria. SIUUUUUU!
Also takes a lot a tragic lack of awareness for you to act like Barcelona losing out to Real Madrid to a league title is 'mad' when this season Juventus, after a decade of winning the league and signing Ronaldo, lost out to Inter who came bottom of their easy CL group. At least Ronaldo should be able to finally claim a capocannoniere after losing out to such heavyweights as Quagliarella and Immobile since he came to Serie A and DOMINATED. In a league where Muriel has a goal every 63 minutes and an injury prone, post-MLS Zlatan who is nearly 40 years old has an identical minutes to goal ratio as Ronaldo
Is Benzema better than the GOAT of La Liga?
It's all good when Messi wins things in the 1st year and does crap all in the 2nd year with the same team and system he has played for nearly 20 years.
Ronaldo wins things in the 1st year and also messed up in the 2nd year.
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No excuses for not being top scorer in his first season, should have beaten Quagliarella.Here's another example of you being wrong; Barcelona won the league the year after Ronaldo left and Messi was top goalscorer and assister that season - meanwhile a 36 year old Quagliarella scored more goals than Ronaldo for Sampdoria. SIUUUUUU!
Also takes a lot a tragic lack of awareness for you to act like Barcelona losing out to Real Madrid to a league title is 'mad' when this season Juventus, after a decade of winning the league and signing Ronaldo, lost out to Inter who came bottom of their easy CL group. At least Ronaldo should be able to finally claim a capocannoniere after losing out to such heavyweights as Quagliarella and Immobile since he came to Serie A and DOMINATED. In a league where Muriel has a goal every 63 minutes and an injury prone, post-MLS Zlatan who is nearly 40 years old has an identical minutes to goal ratio as Ronaldo
Cant blame him too much for not beating Immobile though, who was in fantastic form(won the golden shoe), and had even more penalties than Ronaldo.
Christ don’t you guys ever get exhausted?
I guarantee they think about this debate every day, getting wound up with differing opinions.
He was also top scorer and assister in the second year and has far more goals and assists than Benzema in any season you wish to pick - meanwhile, Ronaldo objectively scored fewer goals than Quagliarella in 18/19 and Immobile in 19/20 - players that are several tiers below Benzema in any case.
I mean you're a man approaching 60 who is conflating Benzema being better than Messi because Real Madrid won La Liga last season. It's like me claiming Lukaku is better than Ronaldo, it's just stupid.
Perhaps it's the senility kicking in, because you're struggling to count. Ronaldo (well Juventus) won Serie A in his second season, it's in his 3rd season where Juventus haven't won the league. You should probably just stick to colours and shapes in the future because you seem to struggle with numbers.
Bit of a joke as hazard and dembele got injured. Neymar wasn’t “meh” at all at psg he took his team to a semi final and cl final and won a fair bit of trophies. Neymar has done very well at psg.
But going from the best team in one league to the best in another is meaningless. If Messi or Ronaldo went to psg or Bayern it wouldn’t matter what they did. There’s no challenge in joining a team that has had a monopoly on domestic cups
Quagliarella played 6 more games and scored 5 more penalties than Ronaldo that season so it's not that that outrageous. And it was just one freak year for him.
Juve also basically won the league by March and were in 2nd gear for the rest of the campaign.
Neymar being the 3rd best in the world back then is still debatable though.
Hazard lacks professionalism, he came back from pre season overweight and then injuries have hurt him bad since leaving Chelsea, Dembele was a kid when he moved to Barca with miles more pressure on him and has also had bad injuries. Havertz is still a kid and had Lampard as his manager, he looks much better under Tuchel,
Coutinho was great at Liverpool in his prime and has flopped badly since but he is no where near Messi level, Messi in his prime would have destroyed the PL its not even a debate, look at his stats in the CL vs English clubs. Messi has 26 goals and 6 assists in 34 games vs English clubs, which is 0.92 goals or assists every game vs English clubs, these clubs are the best of the English clubs as well, not the teams in the bottom half that get battered often by the top English clubs,.
Zlatan definitely didn't get found out in Spain, what a ludicrous statement, did you even bother to do your research on that? Zlatan scored 22 goals and got 12 assists in 46 games, Pep didn't want Zlatan anymore because he wanted to make Messi his main man. Zlatan fell out with Pep and then was sold.
Their fans should gang up against Pele and Maradona. For me that's the real argument. Having a 5 year peak in which other players were dominating and winning awards ( Gullit and Van Basten) should be heavily considered, and yes, i know that the ballon d'or was a strictly european affair, but there were other awards, like the world soccer player of the year awards (1986), Guerin D'oro ( Serie A player of the year) which he won in 1985 ( which maradona won once) and Onze d'or( won twice). No league awards in La Liga and only one in Italy.
He wasn't nearly as dominant or consistent as he has been made to seem. I feel its wildly unfair how people use specific games to highlight his greatness whilst we get so many from Messi and Ronaldo that at this point we don't really remember any.
He wasn't nearly as dominant or consistent as he has been made to seem. I feel its wildly unfair how people use specific games to highlight his greatness whilst we get so many from Messi and Ronaldo that at this point we don't really remember any.
Its so incredibly pathetic isnt it
I can't believe it's 2021 and the Ronaldo stans are still clinging to the "but he can only do it in La Liga" like La Liga hasn't been a top league for his entire career and a far better league than the one Ronaldo is currently struggling in
I mean, maybe they have a point, and Messi would struggle against the likes of Sheffield United, Newcastle, Arsenal, the mighty Crotone and who could forget Benevento?
Oh, and like we haven't seen him come out on top against the absolute best in England, Italy and Germany in the Champions League
Such a pathetic argument to put forward.
Edit: and if it's a "he can only do it in Barcelona" argument then that's every bit as bad. He's still performing to elite levels even though he doesn't have the guys who carried him all those years. Funny, that.
I mean, maybe they have a point, and Messi would struggle against the likes of Sheffield United, Newcastle, Arsenal, the mighty Crotone and who could forget Benevento?
Oh, and like we haven't seen him come out on top against the absolute best in England, Italy and Germany in the Champions League
Such a pathetic argument to put forward.
Edit: and if it's a "he can only do it in Barcelona" argument then that's every bit as bad. He's still performing to elite levels even though he doesn't have the guys who carried him all those years. Funny, that.
In past 3 seasons in Italy:Here's another example of you being wrong; Barcelona won the league the year after Ronaldo left and Messi was top goalscorer and assister that season - meanwhile a 36 year old Quagliarella scored more goals than Ronaldo for Sampdoria. SIUUUUUU!
Also takes a lot a tragic lack of awareness for you to act like Barcelona losing out to Real Madrid to a league title is 'mad' when this season Juventus, after a decade of winning the league and signing Ronaldo, lost out to Inter who came bottom of their easy CL group. At least Ronaldo should be able to finally claim a capocannoniere after losing out to such heavyweights as Quagliarella and Immobile since he came to Serie A and DOMINATED. In a league where Muriel has a goal every 63 minutes and an injury prone, post-MLS Zlatan who is nearly 40 years old has an identical minutes to goal ratio as Ronaldo
Ronaldo - 99 goals in 130 games
Immobile - 82 goals in 128 games
Quagliarella - 49 goals in 98 games
And in the past 2 seasons in Italy:
Ronaldo - 71 goals in 81 games
Immobile - 63 goals in 82 games
Zlatan - 28 goals in 47 games
Quagliarella - 23 goals in 59 games
And this seasons in Italy:
Ronaldo - 34 goals in 41 games
Immobile - 24 goals in 38 games
Zlatan - 17 goals in 27 games
Quagliarella - 11 goals in 30 games
Yeh they surely all outscored Ronaldo
Is this a post about Maradona?
Approaching 60? Always thought he was about 14 given his Messi v Ronnie posts?
Well, he never carried Portugal at WCs, his best results are playing along Figo,Maniche,Deco, and Ricardo Carvahlo.
Hope people stop understimating CR's teammates to praise his figure.
The current Portugal side has some of the best players in all key positions, Dias is the best CB in the world right now, Bruno is a top 5 Mid for example. But if Portugal goes far in the Euros, you know its “CR7” carrying Portugal again to those folks, just like how CR7 carried them previously but Silva won the player of the competition previously.
Not even a 36 years old Maradona could carry Argentina or any football club... just saying.
It really depends how far they would go, and how well Ronaldo and his teammates performs, isn’t it? No need to imagine things in your mind when nothing has happened yet. Ronaldo does have 103 goals for Portugal, far far more than anyone else, so yeh, it’s fair to say he has been making huge impact for Portugal over the years too.
I wouldn’t say Neymar had done very well at PSG:
17-18: 28 goals
18-19: 23 goals
19-20: 19 goals
20-21: 16 goals
In comparison this is Mbappe:
17-18: 21 goals
18-19: 39 goals
19-20: 30 goals
20-21: 37 goals
In comparison this is Zlatan:
12-13: 35 goals
13-14: 41 goals
14-15: 30 goals
15-16: 50 goals
If this is Ronaldo or Messi, especially when playing in such a dominant team against farmers teams with goals flowing everywhere, they would be heavily criticized and ridiculed. Sure Neymar does have his “injuries” and “partying” problem, but when this is over the period of 4 years, it’s rather underwhelming for someone who is as highly rated as him, costing his club over 200m, earning 700k+ a week, and during his peak years at an easy league.
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I'm just saying that Messi and Barcelona drew to LevanteI can't believe it's 2021 and the Ronaldo stans are still clinging to the "but he can only do it in La Liga" like La Liga hasn't been a top league for his entire career and a far better league than the one Ronaldo is currently struggling in
I mean, maybe they have a point, and Messi would struggle against the likes of Sheffield United, Newcastle, Arsenal, the mighty Crotone and who could forget Benevento?
Oh, and like we haven't seen him come out on top against the absolute best in England, Italy and Germany in the Champions League
Such a pathetic argument to put forward.
Edit: and if it's a "he can only do it in Barcelona" argument then that's every bit as bad. He's still performing to elite levels even though he doesn't have the guys who carried him all those years. Funny, that.
That is just a next level low.
I also love the - he has beaten all the English clubs in the CL things like the English clubs have never beaten Messi, nearly ever season Meh-ssi gets knocked out by an English club these days. The way people talk about Messi is as if he was the sole reason Barcelona at their peak was a bit untouchable to some clubs. It was a combination of Xavi, iniesta, Busquets and Messi to keep it simple; not just Messi.
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Number of games played have to be taken into account for Neymar, his ratios are still good.
So? Would you invest 200m and 700k+ a week on a forward who could only score around 20 goals a season in avg for 4 years, despite having a good ratio? We all know he would always be out for couple of months due to injuries, partying and visiting his sister every year anyway. But would you?
If I had spend this amount of money, I’d expect him to double this amount of output, or least match Zlatan, to be honest.
Zlatan: 156 goals in 4 seasons for PSG, cost 20m and 200k per week
Neymar: 86 goals in 4 seasons for PSG, cost 200m and 700k per week
What a poor return of investment.
I don’t expect him to be playing like Messi or contribute as many as Ronaldo. But at least, try not to be so far behind a 30+ years old Zlatan in France, especially having earning so many $$$ there. He is only playing in farmers league for feck sake.
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I just wanted to add that little context. There is no argument to be made against the fact this has been a waste of money and time. You're looking at it too seriously
His best chance of winning the Ballon d'Or was, ironically, if he had stayed at Barca.
Which shows why its easier done at Barcelona
Well at this rate I doubt he would even win best player of the year award in French league, let alone Ballon D’or. But good news is, he has just extend his contract with PSG, so another 4 years at PSG till he reached 33, maybe he could still do it (win best player award in France I mean)
Would always have been difficult to outperform Messi at Barca. However nobody really cares about league 1.
Neymar is up for that award in France this season but he really doesn't deserve to be mentioned and will defo not win it.
At some point Messi would have taken a backseat, Barca wouldn't have needed to invest crazy money into Griezman/Coutinho/Dembele, they could have built their team better for a long period of domination with Neymar overtaking the attacking mantle.
I think for sure Barcelona would have been better if Neymar had stayed and it would have been better for his profile and they would have been more succesfull. However Messi has still consistenly had better individual seasons than Neymar despite being quite a bit older now. To be fair to Neymar his injuries at crucial points in the season(his sisters birthday) has often ruined his chance of showing what he can do when it matters.
I don't disagree and it's pure conjecture of course but I think in a way, if Messi was ready to relinquish the attacking reigns at Barca, he would have done it for Neymar as he could see him as the only player worthy of handling it.
The PSG transfer has also disrupted the transfer market with all the prices going crazy, Liverpool more from it than Barca and PSG
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