He would definitely be top 3. It's his weakest Ballon D'or win yet, but he had an excellent 2021 campaign with Barca and a great copa. The fact that it was close is that there weren't many points seperating him and Messi. Messi was both Barcelona and Argetina's main playmaker and goalscorer and that's what seperates him from pure strikers.
Yes, virtually every single trophy he’s won has been with a manager that has won major trophies without him. Santos is a possible exception, depending on how major we view the Portuguese league to be.
Nonsense
Yep, Messi wins 7th Ballon d’Or with Ronaldo only 6th place this year to put it beyond doubt that he’ll finish with more than Ronaldo, yet loses 3-4% of his vote in a few months, hmmm.
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It's just my observation that Ronaldo gets called the goat all the time in the Ronaldo thread now that he's our player. Same as it was with the juventus boards as well. Which is all understandable.
Would always be a tall order to be fair. Ronaldo did his job as well as he could. Was shite against Porto though.
Lewa should get the 2020 one in retrospect. Messi said as much.
Then Messi wouldn't have come 5th in 2018
Ronaldo has more CLs than Messi.
It's not just stats.
It's pretty simple. If you want to measure their trophies, Lewa had Bundesliga and Messi had Copa and at the very least Copa is equal to Bundesliga. If you want to measure their performance Messi was the best player objectively in a league that ranks higher than Lewa's for a team that also wasn't the best in that league. Messi then went on to be the best player objectively in another competition. Lewandowski is not the clear winner like people want to make it.
Ronaldo never had the burden of being labelled Maradonna's heir. Diego will always be Argentina's star(and is considered by many to be the goat between him and Pelé before Messi and Ronaldo came along) because he had a legendary WC(where he should have been sent off for the hand of god). I don't ever remember the expectation of Ronaldo carrying Portugal to a WC win. Portugal actually have a class squad now, so they have a decent chance next year.
I mean sure - Messi had the burden of overcoming Maradona but ultimately that's nearly a full large country of the whole world who probably don't regard Messi as their GOAT isn't it?
I think that sums up pretty well why people argue dribbling and passing all the time when it comes to Messi. Yes, Lewandowski is better in other disciplines but if a player has almost five times the amount of passes he's just been so much more involved and impacted the game more, especially when he scores at a somewhat comparable rate. And that even for a far less dominant team.
Yeah you've made this point about a billion times in this thread. We can only speculate whether Messi could cut in the PL since he spent 20 years at Barca. IMO he definitely could.
But this player scores that many goals so must be better right? Right?????
What stats are those though? And why do we have half season stats?? Is it for 2015 part of 2014/15 season?
Has anyone seen the news of Cristiano posting factos in a post disparaging Messi
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CR7 certainly has an inferiority complex when it comes to Messi. That much is clear. Pretty sure he doesn’t run his own social media accounts though. At least I hope that’s the case
Dunno first his dream was a record of Ballon D'ors, which is Messi's. Then it shifted to golden shoe since it was determined by goals and not votes. Then Messi took that record. So I guess now he has his 5 CL's, incredible CL goalscoring record and his international record. But in any case sometimes he can have a point. I don't believe there is a conspiracy against Ronaldo though. It's sometimes about narratives. Modric for instance had a great 2018 WC, but both Messi and Ronaldo had stellar season's that year.CR7 certainly has an inferiority complex when it comes to Messi. That much is clear. Pretty sure he doesn’t run his own social media accounts though. At least I hope that’s the case
He's going to end up behind Messi in both. He hasn't won a golden shoe since 2015 and hasn't really come close to challenging since. The Balón D'or race (his biggest goal) is dead and buried now.
It's hard to believe an adult can behave this way, but Kevin Durant has shown that some athletes can be more insecure than anything imaginable.
He's definitely going to retire with more CL's and CL goals and keep his international record. And keep his total goals record. PSG aren't winning this CL and Messi won't age like Ronaldo.
That's what I mean. He'll have to be content with cumulative totals, now. The Balón D'or dream is dead.
So it is indeed true, I thought it was a rumor
Off-topic but the thing about KD is that he went to Golden State (a weak move IMO) and won 2 titles and was the Finals MVP both times. The narrative then became that Curry and Golden State needed him more than he needed them. But GS won before he got there. If they manage to win another title and KD can’t win in Brooklyn then it starts to look a lot like the opposite is actually the truth.
Ronaldo is the cringiest athlete of our time.
I think so, it's stupid.
