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Messi v Ronaldo | Contains double your daily salt allowance
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A forward who just happens to drop into midfield and play there for most of the game
He clearly starts as a forward, if he likes dropping deep and his manager allows him to do whatever he wants, that does NOT make him a midfielder.
When Alves or Marcelo send more time in midfield than defense, that does NOT make them midfielders, they are still fullbacks.
No a starting formation means nothing, no position is ever fixed. Messi has clearly demonstrated he's more of a midfielder than anything else
No I am rather showing how this forum is in terms of this debate. There is a bias.
Poll re-opened! Not surprisingly, Messi leads by a narrow margin.
By your logic, Marcelo and Alves are also midfielders?
Imagine thinking any of the staff actually care about the poll
Messi is better this season, people have short memories
Pretty sure you lot plot behind the scenes on the best tactics to get Messi to win, you can't fool me mate.
I voted for Messi.
Changed my previous vote from Ronaldo to Messi. I love Ronaldo but c'mon, this little Argentinian have non-human powers. The undisputed goat.
@Zehner not interested?How about we start a game of football bets and see who knows football better in a few months?
Classic short-termism with this poll being opened now.
Let's start a petition
If you care to look back at this thread, I've said several times that you can't literally prove that Messi is better than Ronaldo, or vice-versa. It is a matter of personal interpretation and opinion. Equally, someone could state that Neymar is better than both of them, and no-one could literally disprove this.Finally you grasp the difference between opinions and fact. Perhaps you'd like to explain to your fellow brigade members.
It is frankly astounding to me that anyone could possibly consider Cristiano Ronaldo to be a better footballer than Lionel Messi, but everyone is entitled to their opinion. However, as time goes by, it's quite obvious that the vast majority of credible and objective judges consider Messi to be better, which isn't surprising as he scores at least as many goals as Ronaldo (his career ratios are better), and scores more difficult goals far more often, while quite obviously being a far superior technical player in every department.
In fact, no-one on this thread has ever really argued against this from the Ronaldo 'side', it's more just feeble arguments about who won what titles and when. No-one can put forward any evidence to show that Ronaldo is a better footballer because it just wouldn't be taken seriously. If he's better at something on the field than Messi it's heading, Messi is better in every other department, including goalscoring and finishing. That's why the Ronaldo 'side' has to resort to silly arguments such as Ronaldo is better in the big games, Ronaldo is more clinical, Ronaldo has a better mentality, Ronaldo won the Euros, Messi has always played for Barcelona.
Any comparison of their actual play and what they have done on the field of play as footballers is never going to reflect well on Ronaldo; indeed, Messi has usually come out on top when they've played against each other. So, obviously, Messi is generally going to be regarded as the better player. But it is a matter of opinion, and anyone has the right to think whatever they choose.
I've changed my vote from Messi to Ronaldo, cheers to Niall for reopening the poll.
If you had to choose between watching 2 hours of Ronaldos greatest goals or Messi's then you're choosing Messi's every day of the week. That's why he's hands down the greatest
Damn, the cleverly orchestrated scheme by the staff isn't as foolproof as they had hoped.
The best part is it was closed at the only time in history Ronaldo even came close in the poll to Messi and we only closed it because it was funny to have a 50/50 split. If we’d just left it open Ronaldo would have fallen behind months ago
As much as I disagree with most of your view, I don’t have an issue with it.
We’ve gone through this enough times, each goal is not valued the same, even showing up his year, Messi’s CL record is nothing compared to Ronaldo’s etc etc.
Anyway, it’s the Messi is better or you know nothing brigade that I despise
was 70-30 at some point for Messi I think?
Messi easily.. it's frankly a joke that this poll is so close to begin with.
Wouldn’t be at all surprised
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For some reason i read this post in the voice of David Attenborough.
Still Ronny for me, I don’t particularly like either of them so I’m not a fan boy. Just as a leader and an athelete I respect Ronaldo more when it comes to football.
It was closed as Ronaldo was about to take the lead and reopens at a time where even I am happy Messi put the scousers to the sword.
Trust me when I say none of the staff give a shit who’s ahead in the pollIt was closed as Ronaldo was about to take the lead and reopens at a time where even I am happy Messi put the scousers to the sword.
I trust you. You guys may not care but the timing is awfully convenient for the Messi brigade.
It should if been closed in 2016 I agree. The debate ended that year and the following 2 combined.
Messi all the way, genius man/goat
Eboue and Cal the only Ronaldo fanboys here lolz
Genius man-goat indeed.
By the end of their respective careers, who would have been the better player overall? It’s got to be Messi. He is GOAT.
Messi is clearly miles better
Why would a Manchester United forum have a bias towards Messi
if anything it would be the opposite.Nope.
I know plenty of United fans that hate Ronaldo, more so recently as the rainouts of his return were seen by him as simply as a way to get an improved contract at Real.Why would a Manchester United forum have a bias towards Messi
While I agree that Messi's stock is much higher at the moment due to obvious reasons, I changed my vote because pound for pound Messi is the best footballer of all time.Classic short-termism with this poll being opened now.
I voted for Ronaldo (as many others on a United forum) because of mostly bias (our Ronaldo vs the player who denied us in 2 CL finals).
Plus, I much preferred the United Ronaldo, the winger who would bomb on with pace and beat any defender to score a screamer. He was much more entertaining than the well-oiled goal scoring machine he has become later.
Years ago I was still in the camp that Messi won't be the player that he is without Xavi and Iniesta, but look at him now without them.
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