They spent like money was going out of fashion and duly found themselves up shit creek, was my point
Messi's Wages...
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Salary cap time please
Not bad being a footballer, is it? We can only dream about the money they have rolling in.
It's gonna happen eventually before more financial disasters happen.
Dunno, by now I'd have expected transfer fees between clubs to have collapsed. There's still a pool of money there to be hoovered up by players.
whilst i also disagree with the growth model, i think that way for our whole economy.
just look at the top managers in relation. the wages are quite similiar actually.
so ... yes football will crash and burn but so will society
Eyepoppingly large. Get it? Get it?
Has anyone established yet whether or not a salary cap would fit in with EU law?
I don't mind players earning X amount of money
What I mind is that they do it while match going supporters are screwed out of their every last penny to watch a game
There really, really ought to be some legislation which protects the supporters in this situation
What I mind is that they do it while match going supporters are screwed out of their every last penny to watch a game
There really, really ought to be some legislation which protects the supporters in this situation
There is a bit of cause and effect. Player wages are waaay out of whack. Say they should get £100K a year, triple it for risk, triple it for short career and you get £900K/pa. Call it £1M a year tops.
Wage. Cap.
If it doesn't contravene EU law, then I really don't know why it hasn't happened yet. Both the owners of clubs and supporters of clubs would benefit (unless of course the clubs decide to take all of the savings for themselves, which unfortunately would probably be the case for us). The only losers would be the millionaire players and their agents. If legal, you'd think it would be the easiest fecking decision the football community would ever have to take.
Just declaring a wage cap doesn't necessarily solve the issue though. Players earn less sure, but there's no saying that ends up with supporters buying lower priced tickets. It probably means transfers increase in value, and the businessmen / leeches just cream off more cash
It needs something directly linked to the amount you can charge to the paying supporter to change things
It needs something directly linked to the amount you can charge to the paying supporter to change things
I agree that a cap on ticket prices if implemented would be ideal, but unless we find ourselves in a situation whereby the majority of clubs are owned by the supporters, that's just not going to happen. Even if UEFA/FIFA pushed for it, clubs would just tell them to feck off.
A wage cap would surely see at least some reduction in ticket prices at most clubs, or at least it would see an end to the above-inflation increases we've been seeing. Considering that such a large proportion of the turnover at the non-Uniteds, Madrids, Barcas etc of football is spent on player wages, a strong wage cap could have the potential to free up to 20% (in some cases more) of a club's revenue to be spent elsewhere. Unlike player wages, the majority of money spent on transfers doesn't actually leave football clubs (apart from the agent fees) because for most it obviously tends to work its way back around again, so even if transfer fees do inflate, clubs will still have more money in the long run. There might not be any reason for the Glazers to lower OT prices, but there would certainly be reason for the clubs whose tickets are less in-demand to consider using the savings on wages to lower prices at their grounds. Just look at the amount Premier League (from 08) clubs have been spending on player wages compared to their turnovers.
Turnover (£M)/Wages (£M)
Manchester United - 252.6/121.1
Arsenal - 222.5/101.3
Chelsea - 213.6/149
Liverpool - 159/N/A
Spurs - 114.7/52.9
Newcastle 100.8/74.6
Manchester City - 82.3/54.2
Everton - 76/44.5
Aston Villa - 75.6/50.4
Portsmouth - 70.5/54.7
Sunderland - 63.6/37.1
Bolton - 59.1/39
West Ham - 57/44.2
Blackburn - 56.4/39.7
Fulham - 53.7/39.3
Middlesbrough - 48/34.8
Wigan - 43/38.4
West Brom - 27.2/21.8
Stoke - 11.2/11.9
Hull - 9/6.9
At Wigan they're spending more than 85% of their turnover on wages, which is utterly ridiculous. With a wage cap, so much extra money could be freed up at the expense of players I find it hard to believe that clubs could continue to increase ticket prices at the rate they are doing, if at all.
The worst thing about wages is that most of the time they only go up. Players don't necessarily get better.
If its everything combined, then it doesnt seem that bad, he does deserve it through!
Surely Ronaldo's image rights would be worth more then Messi. Its not really a direct comparison on football, but Ronaldo has the more appeal in terms of marketing.
From a marketing sense. Tall, tanned, good looking, muscular, hair style etc, he'd be a marketers dream.
From a marketing sense. Tall, tanned, good looking, muscular, hair style etc, he'd be a marketers dream.
Searches everywhere for 'no homo'
Fixed.
Really good point. IMO the players have to understand that they have some sort of moral obligation towards their fans. If the current football economy goes tits up (and there is an ever growing chance of that) then its the players who are going to suffer the most.
He already is
but being real 'ha' for a minute, theres a reason why Beckham was the pin up boy and its not because he was the world best 'because he really wasn't' where as Ronaldo on the other hand is one of the best and does have the looks that made Beckham. Ronaldo is love/hate to nearly every fan and its the reason for my mind why he'd be more marketable but I guess not.
Wow.
thats clearly not accurate
every team in the league gets atleast 30m from tv rights over the season .. the turnover cant be 11m
The figures are from 2008 when they were still a championship club.
I'd have thought that Messi would be in the unique position to almost ask for whatever he wanted, short of bankrupting Barcelona. The value he adds to Barca must be a lot.
Look at Tiger Woods or Usain Bolt. They are draws themselves over and above golf or athletics. Messi is in the same category because he is clearly the best and most dazzling player in the world. People who don't care about La Liga or Barca will tune in just to see what Messi will pull out of the bag next. Sure there are other great players about but people want to see the biggest show in town and that's the Messi show.
The very best player of the most popular sport can maybe justify his wage. I
t's some of the player's wages below his who I'd be more perplexed by.
Look at Tiger Woods or Usain Bolt. They are draws themselves over and above golf or athletics. Messi is in the same category because he is clearly the best and most dazzling player in the world. People who don't care about La Liga or Barca will tune in just to see what Messi will pull out of the bag next. Sure there are other great players about but people want to see the biggest show in town and that's the Messi show.
The very best player of the most popular sport can maybe justify his wage. I
t's some of the player's wages below his who I'd be more perplexed by.
I think Messi represents other well sought qualities in the marketing Universe.
Simple,humble,talented,... I mean he's closer to the common human than Ronaldo is in terms of character or physique
yeah, super millionaires can do that because they have lots of money. When paupers like Leeds try it with borrowed money, unsurprisingly, it goes wrong.They spent like money was going out of fashion and duly found themselves up shit creek, was my point
If anybody reckons it's a disgrace that profesional football players' wages are that high they should look at the mirror and ask themselves why they pay so much for tickets, for tv coveraging games, for merchandise related to their beloved club.
I agree the tickets are expensive but they won't get cheaper as long as people keep buying them. Any way you follow your team whether it's watching games live or on telly you simply accept to pay for the product which is without a doubt better and better.
The players can demand such wages because they know the clubs can afford them.
And they wouldn't be able to afford them if it wasn't for high revenue generated directly or indirectly by fans.
It is really that simple. Yes, some clubs might get over the line in order to stay competitive with the best and raise the wage bill over their means but it never was and never will be a common occurence. It's like in any other branch of business.
Introducing salary cap or any similar policy will only cause quality of football to fall and it won't necessarily solve the problem of clubs getting into debt.
Having said all that, I don't mean that current situation is perfect but I'm very sceptical that it can be solved or improved by any regulation.
I agree the tickets are expensive but they won't get cheaper as long as people keep buying them. Any way you follow your team whether it's watching games live or on telly you simply accept to pay for the product which is without a doubt better and better.
The players can demand such wages because they know the clubs can afford them.
And they wouldn't be able to afford them if it wasn't for high revenue generated directly or indirectly by fans.
It is really that simple. Yes, some clubs might get over the line in order to stay competitive with the best and raise the wage bill over their means but it never was and never will be a common occurence. It's like in any other branch of business.
Introducing salary cap or any similar policy will only cause quality of football to fall and it won't necessarily solve the problem of clubs getting into debt.
Having said all that, I don't mean that current situation is perfect but I'm very sceptical that it can be solved or improved by any regulation.
Apparently he does a lot of radio ads in Argentina.
That's clearly with endorsements.
The comparison should be on basic wage.
The comparison should be on basic wage.
Seven Man City players in the top fifty.
feck me, the games gone mad.
feck me, the games gone mad.That is his basic without overtime (Actually I believe it was £8.4M, £42M contract over 5 years)
Or humanitarian of the year Gary Cook has.Seven Man City players in the top fifty.
Looking through that list it looks as if Andres Iniesta is under appreciated and maybe we shold offer him a move and pay rise
so you are surprised on how much money messi does a year but not surprised that Beckham comes second?
I guess they just expect the prettiest footballers to make the most money.
Fair enough Becks and Ronaldo might don a few more gay magazine covers (not that there is anything wrong with that) but as far as advertising and sports related stuff i am not surpirsed that Messi out earns them. He must make a fortune from Adidas, you see him in adidas gear all the time. If he wasnt forced to wear a suit to awards he'd turn up in some adidas gear.
Add that to his £180000 weekly wage and all the bonus money he must have made from winning competitions it is not surprising at all.
Who said Messi can't model
Oh dear! Ah well, you can't have it all
600 k is just insane. Im not a lety by any means ut that's just insane amount.
He does look a bit like Gollum, doesn't he?
Looking Emo-tastic there.
There are some serious win-bonuses and Barca wages in there - a reminder that much as he may love Barca, and as indebted as he may feel for their early help - he's not actually a registered charity.
On the endorsements/ads things. Messi is paid a lot by Adidas. He does a lot of ads in Spain (and South America?) for non-football products because he's got mum-appeal. Which makes him safe for people like Pepsi as well. He also seems to have picked up Ronaldinho's old (non football) contracts - proving that in marketing, it's looks that count
Apart from Nike (where his contract was worth less than Rooney's) Ronaldo didn't do much advertising/endorsement work at United and the stuff he did was mostly for Portuguese firms. He's just a beginner.