We were more than shite enough on our own, he didn't need to intervene to shaft us today.
Michael Oliver
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Got really nothing wrong today.
What is our win record with this fecker? Swear we lose almost every game. Surely the worst of any refs in the PL era.
Surprisingly good today.
Yeah he was fine yesterday, he'll shaft us many times again in the future I'm sure but yesterday he didn't need to.
EPL - 41 matches, won 16, drawn 12, lost 13.
FA Cup - 4 matches, won 1, drawn 0, lost 3.
League cup - 1 match, won 1.
Why was our "captain" crying out for?
Just seen his first United game was the Wolves loss in Feb 2011. We were unbeaten in the league at that stage (24 games + 5 from the previous season). Also had Fergie's farewell and we didn't win that either.
So over 38 games we are averaging 55 points. That's around a 9-10th placed finish. We are also getting eliminated 60 % of the times from the cups. Sure there are a few extra games there against Liverpool/City because of his undeserved reputation of being a 'great' ref but the majority of the games are still against crap teams and we aren't winning those either.
This is also damning. Fewer games than the rest but almost the most cards:
United: 89 YC. 5 RC. 46 games.
Liverpool: 93 YC. 1 RC. 60 games.
City: 59 YC. 1 RC. 53 games.
Arsenal: 92 YC. 6 RC. 56 games.
Spurs: 84 YC. 5 RC. 49 games.
Chelsea: 78 YC. 3 RC. 52 games.
This was the Liverpool red btw. Second yellow, in added time. Meanwhile Dalot is getting 2 yellows in 2 seconds for not getting a throw-in he should've had.
He has a weird aversion to sending Man. City players off.
Bottled the Kovacic second yellow at the Emirates which is the most obvious you'll see all season and Rodri on a yellow deliberately sticks his hand out and it makes contact but it just gets forgotten because Liverpool get a shot away.
Bottled the Kovacic second yellow at the Emirates which is the most obvious you'll see all season and Rodri on a yellow deliberately sticks his hand out and it makes contact but it just gets forgotten because Liverpool get a shot away.
He's such a coward. Second time he helps City in a title match this season too. The Kovacic stuff from the Arsenal game was enough to stop him for the season, and now this
Missed to send Klopp off after the game. Missed some yellow cards for Liverpool when they dived to get penalties/freekicks.
Its hilarious if there are people who believe this man hasn't been compromised by UAE. Will be a documentary in the future
It's not weird when you consider he is on the payroll of the City owners, no bullshit.
Genuinely agree
I’ve said for years that there’s something off about Oliver, kept an eye on him since and am absolutely convinced now
Whichever way you slice it, just isn’t a good look for a premier league referee to be doing games in the UAE. Why even allow them to be opened up to these kinds of questions/allegations. I really don’t understand it.
There needs to be something done with the officiating in this league .
Liverpool should've had a penalty at the end.
Well this season alone, we've seen a kovacic non red, this penalty, and he was var when he gave that obscenely soft call against hojlund at old Trafford.
Fair enough if people want to argue the calls, but add in that they all involve the same team, and in that teams favour each time... Then add in his UAE links.
I find the coverage sky give city really off too, and don't doubt for a second that there's a world of behind the scenes cronyism. I say this as someone who saw a successful United side get calls scrutinised for WEEKS afterwards. There are fans of some teams that still speak about arguable calls from 15 years ago.
That doesn't happen city, and skys role in it is undeniable. They had a bit of a giggle about a stoppage time var call in a potential title decider, after one manager went mad about it. Its unheard of
Can’t even hide the UAE bias now. Whilst it was great it was against Pool, can’t see how he’s allowed near their games.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/that-nani-red-card-against-real-madrid.481825/page-2#post-31725030
Oliver clearly shouldn't be allowed near any City games. But the whole narrative around them just smacks of people being told by their pay masters that they aren't allowed say anything neagtive or controversial.
The obvious talking point after that penalty decision is why has Michael Oliver who's been paid to referee games in the UAE by the family of the owners of Man City not given a clear penalty against them in the last minute of a game against their title rivals. Shocking decision and he should be demoted.
But all you're going to hear about the referees is that lad who signed a few autographs at half time the weekend being fined or punished.
The only way it gets talked about is if enough noise is made about it which maybe will happen now. The media love Pool and Klopp and hate to talk bad things about 115, but one will win out and the Oliver story is such a simple one and so clearly wrong, I don’t think it’ll be ignored.
Decisions aside, I don't understand how Oliver taking money from UAE isn't more of a talking point.
I am not suggesting that he gets 100k in the pocket to fix the game, but exactly in this kind of situation with a potentially controversial late decision between city and their main title rivals, and you don't think upsetting his pay masters has any chance of influencing his decision?
It's absolutely mad that it's allowed and even madder that's it's not talked more about. Does he even have to declare how much he's paid for such games?
I am not suggesting that he gets 100k in the pocket to fix the game, but exactly in this kind of situation with a potentially controversial late decision between city and their main title rivals, and you don't think upsetting his pay masters has any chance of influencing his decision?
It's absolutely mad that it's allowed and even madder that's it's not talked more about. Does he even have to declare how much he's paid for such games?
On another note, that penalty situation was a prime candidate for the referee to be called over and make the call.
All I hear is Mike Dean's comments about how he avoided making VAR calls to "spare his mate the grief". Can't be calling Mr Oliver to the screen when he's so busy with the game, can we?
Webb has fostered a generational gaggle of incompetents and matey back scratchers.
All I hear is Mike Dean's comments about how he avoided making VAR calls to "spare his mate the grief". Can't be calling Mr Oliver to the screen when he's so busy with the game, can we?
Webb has fostered a generational gaggle of incompetents and matey back scratchers.
That's one of the key issues/problems of VAR for me - we know for a fact it's not there for the ref to have a second-look, it's there for the VAR to recommend a different decision and "show evidence" to support it, which is why decisions are reveresed 99% of the time.
completely agree. it only happened to liverpool this time, but what happens if the next time it affects an actual club?
Whereas it should be exactly for this kind of situation, wherever everyone is discussing it the day after and Oliver is the only one who who never got to see it twice.
Good post.
It should be, but it's an incompetent system ran by incompetent people.
Even the fact that when they're actually at the monitor they're still not meant to see all the angles/have a proper look is just ridiculous.
I understand that every team has calls that irk them years later, but the nani one, or even the rafael one, were huge european ties, in one case in what turned out to be fergusons final season and by a ref with an appalling record with english teams. Fair point though, but i suppose i was trying to highlight the extreme difference between coverage of decisions that went uniteds way versus ones that went citys way. Skys coverage yesterday was nothing short of disgraceful and so starkly different to how they cover big decisions that you simply have to question the reasons.
Exactly. Oliver was paid the same as his annual salary for reffing in the PL, for ONE trip abroad. Are we meant to think that even in the most generous reading, that isnt going to some way bias him?
How could it NOT flash through Oliver’s mind that it could potentially cost him tens of thousands if he makes a certain decision?
Exactly, even if it’s not a conscious decision. It’s definitely sub conscious. He doesn’t want to risk his earning potential for the years to come.
Their coverage around city has always had a really “off” feeling around it. Whether it’s for or against decisions other teams get are scrutinised for weeks, particularly Liverpool and United. Last week’s drop ball was called a monumental error by Mike Dean.
There is never any caveats added to city, just a couple comments alluding to their wealth, which they immediately negate with “Pep, great players, coaching”. This is a team that has won 5/6 titles. This is a team that has been charged 115 times by the governing body of the competition they play under. They’ve also been charged by UEFA in the past, escaping on a technicality.
I think the part of the wider problem is nobody is willing to risk losing money in their pockets, not players, not pundits, not commentators, not business people and not the government.
I think it’s only when people will eventually be able to step back and really take a look, will it become apparent how much of a farce this league has become in many aspects.
Yeah I thought this was really feckin' weird. Sky absolutely LOVE getting inolved in some ref/VAR controversy normally - as they know it'll generate clicks/views etc as people eat that shit up... and I get that the game had a lot of talking points, but how is a last minute really contraversial non-penalty award not THE biggest talking point? They literally spent about 5 minutes on it... if that.
I'm pretty sure they dedicated a 30 minute special to the Onana/Wolves non-penalty.
This guy remains the most corrupt and punchable ref in the UK. Goes hand in hand with the club he supports (Newcastle).
Ridiculous decision in favour of the sportswashing cheats. No love lost for Liverpool but that was bullshit.
He hates us, probably because we inflicted so much pain on him during his childhood, and i wonder if Liverpool did too. Or maybe it's as simple as the dollars he receives from City for officiating in the UAE. Regardless, it goes far beyond incompetence at this point.
Ridiculous decision in favour of the sportswashing cheats. No love lost for Liverpool but that was bullshit.
He hates us, probably because we inflicted so much pain on him during his childhood, and i wonder if Liverpool did too. Or maybe it's as simple as the dollars he receives from City for officiating in the UAE. Regardless, it goes far beyond incompetence at this point.
What are the rules for referees? In over one hundred years of organised football in the country you would think that an owner being able to pay a referee would be completely against the rules; in addition a referee being able to support one of the teams in the competition... these are day one things, obvious things, not difficult to comprehend. Why is it allowed?
That was a fourth or fifth headline on the sky news website, not sky sports, sky news. While in a potential title decider, last kick of the game var decision, they chuckled and giggled for 30 seconds and didnt ask guardiola about it.
It is obscene and I understand sky are their employers but its why guys like neville turn my stomach with punditry now. Happy to weigh in on everything from politics to manchester regeneration to race and gender - but City? forget it. its praise and nothing else.
Its just another facet of how @Liver_bird has mentioned above, that the league is a farce now. 115 charges like a huge drunk elephant in the room and nobody mentioning it, and all round praise. The fact is in the second half yesterday - there was no great battle of two great teams. Liverpool should have had 3 goals at least, and city were as poor as theyve been in years. Its pure narrative and spin.
I remember reading a line years ago, I cant remember by who, talking about how great mansours relationship is with the british press. they're in his pocket, wined and dined, and neville and so on are just cowards, all part of the same gravy train.
I remain convinced that in years to come a huge expose will occur and you;ll have every one of these sad pricks trying to backtrack and say they didnt help sustain it.
Aye, on match days the media teams apparently get treated to 3 course meals with all the trimmings etc.
Let's see how many media partners Redbird IMI continues to get on board with.
Yeah pretty clearly the case. Probably has a couple of properties or something waiting for him there. The lack of accountability and transparency in football is quite funny it has to be said.
Oh absolutely, it’ll be too little too late, but I really hope there are people out there willing to make it happen. There will be a lot of people attempting to wash their hands of it.
They’ve regenerated the Manchester area, treat journalists to 5* meals, integrate influencers/youtubers into their online content, cover their expenses/give them preferential treatment. It’s all a facade to buy up influence, remarkable how it’s been allowed to happen in this league. The perception people have of the game in this country and its reality are two very different things.
There was definitely another way to do this, allowing investment into this league. One that didn’t involve cheating by nation states.
a proper punishment for the charges is about the only hope british football has at regaining credibility. it will mean accepting a largely lost decade sadly, but it cant keep going as is. its a mess.