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Yeah and no one seems to be talking about it, also shows how much the US and Israel regard so called international law.
Holdddd up, I genuinely had no idea that the last 3/4 US Presidents promised the same thing?!!!
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Think he did it purely so he could then post that video.
Yep, Clinton first OK'd it but everyone including himself has been delaying signing the final piece of paper.
Hmm ok got it.
Thought this was a brand new Trump thing.
Ok that changes my perception slightly. Still think it’s a bit irresponsible unless a bigger play going on.
The bigger play from Trump's perspective is to appeal to Sheldon Adelson so he can bankroll his 2020 campaign.
Here's a brief historic breakdown, written shortly before Trump's announcement. I guess in practice Jerusalem's status was generally seen as something that has to be settled in a peace deal.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.769498
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Are you insinuating that Iran is the innocent victim?
It always is
It always is
The Palestinian Authority should dissolve itself, it was set up as part of the peace process, but since that's now dead, it has no reason for being. I've said this for years, this is an anti-apartheid struggle
Perhaps its time for a more neutral mediator of peace talks?
The US isn't doing anyone any favours with their grossly biased approach, not even Israel. Doesn't help that the POTUS is catering towards his base who are essentially the white Hamas.
The US isn't doing anyone any favours with their grossly biased approach, not even Israel. Doesn't help that the POTUS is catering towards his base who are essentially the white Hamas.
Thanks 2cents. This is from the conclusion in Revisited, right? Were Morris' conclusions different at all in the original? Morris' work has been widely praised as doing more to uncover what happened in 1948 than anybody else, but that the zionist in him comes out in his conclusions. I think this is an interesting quote from fellow new historian Avi Shlaim:
"His 1988 book, The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem, 1947-1949, drove a coach and horses through the claim that the Palestinians left Palestine of their own accord or on orders from their leaders. With a great wealth of recently declassified material, he analysed the role that Israel played in precipitating the Palestinian exodus. … The hallmark of his approach was to stick as closely as possible to the documentary evidence, to record rather than to evaluate. While his findings were original and arresting, he upheld the highest standards of historical scholarship, and he wrote with almost clinical detachment. ... The message, pithily summed up in a long interview that Benny gave to Yediot Aharonot about his highly publicised conversion, is that "the Arabs are responsible". Where no evidence is available to sustain the argument of Arab intransigence, Benny makes it up by drawing on his fertile imagination. … His post-conversion interpretation of history is old history with a vengeance. It is indistinguishable from the propaganda of the victors.”
I wonder, does Morris consider the fact that across the entire zionist leadership (including Ben Gurion), that the idea of "transfer" had been discussed for well over a decade and that by the mid-1940s zionist leaders were united in considering "transfer" to be an essential ingredient if there was to be any kind of Jewish state in Palestine?
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WTF does more neutral mean??. You either are or you're not.
Anyway, it's an impossible ask. The conflict is the fault line between Western democracy and Jihad, between brave recognition of this fact and those who cower to the fear or Islamic terror attacks (or an oil embargo back in the day).
There is no in-between, and those who believe there is have only served (innocently of otherwise), to keep the flames going.
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I find it hilarious that the most intolerant culture ever has the chutzpah to lecture others on tolerance.
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I don't think his conclusions were ultimately different (he claims they weren't), but I think there is slightly more emphasis on what he calls Arab intransigence in Revisited, which according to him reflects the new archival material he found in the 90s but can definitely be speculated to be a result of his own political journey which culminated in his disillusionment with Oslo after 2000. Either way, Morris leaves nothing out which might lead a reader to come to a different conclusion (unlike say Pappe or, on the other side, Karsh), which IMO is the sign of a truly great historian.
Absolutely, he devotes a lot of time to this. He claims the idea goes back at least to the 1920s, and was consolidated once it became clear that the Jews could/would not become a majority in Palestine through migration alone.
The most intolerant culture ever? Do you even read what you're writing before you hit post?
I can find Jewish people who say the opposite.I find it hilarious that the most intolerant culture ever has the chutzpah to lecture others on tolerance.
Israel is an apartheid state, since this week has been spun as an exercise in recognising facts it's time to recognise it for what it is
Yeah because Palestinian Christians are all flag-waving jihadist zealots. Do you even read the crap you post these days?
I was talking about Jewish people who will support my point that Israel is a racist state
Your man up there is a useful idiot, he gets to parade around and paid nicely for the privilege, you get your propaganda tool
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What's your view on the Jewish community in Iran and those of them who say they feel safe there and have no intention of going to Israel?
Are they traitors for not migrating to their Holy Land?
What's your view on the Jewish community in Iran and those of them who say they feel safe there and have no intention of going to Israel?
Are they traitors for not migrating to their Holy Land?
Despite religious minorities being allowed to live in Iran, a majority of the Jewish population of Iran has left the country (to Israel or the US) for good reason. A Muslim will also be punished by death for converting to Judaism. Horrible example.
Israel is forcing Palestinians out of Palestine and is committing apartheid-like crimes but is still better at human rights than its neighbours, which says a lot about the neighbours.
Palestinians got sold out by the F-ing Saudis.
They've always had it right. Fight - Fight for what you believe to be yours. And if you die fighting for it...so be it. Because, no one is going to stand up for them and the Israelis, while acting like victims, will continue to destroy their will to survive.
Israel will win because arabs leaders are uneducated pieces of shit, who less than 70 years ago were busy playing cops and robbers in the desert lol. Oh and did I mention, they are cowards.
Cowards to a man
They've always had it right. Fight - Fight for what you believe to be yours. And if you die fighting for it...so be it. Because, no one is going to stand up for them and the Israelis, while acting like victims, will continue to destroy their will to survive.
Israel will win because arabs leaders are uneducated pieces of shit, who less than 70 years ago were busy playing cops and robbers in the desert lol. Oh and did I mention, they are cowards.
Cowards to a man
Bang on.Palestinians got sold out by the F-ing Saudis.
They've always had it right. Fight - Fight for what you believe to be yours. And if you die fighting for it...so be it. Because, no one is going to stand up for them and the Israelis, while acting like victims, will continue to destroy their will to survive.
Israel will win because arabs leaders are uneducated pieces of shit, who less than 70 years ago were busy playing cops and robbers in the desert lol. Oh and did I mention, they are cowards.
Cowards to a man
We can lament Israel and Trump all we want but all of this is largely down to the spineless Arab leaders. I don't even blame Israel tbh.
Then here's another one for you. That's two Arabs in prominent Israeli Government positions compared to your absolute zero Jews in Arab ones.
André Azoulay is a Moroccan Jew who is a long-time senior adviser to King Muhammad VI and his father.Then here's another one for you. That's two Arabs in prominent Israeli Government positions compared to your absolute zero Jews in Arab ones.
I'll give you that, though he looks like the sole exception.
The sole exception, as opposed to the absolute plentitude of two.
..examples.
From this:
Key Middle East Publics See Russia, Turkey and U.S. All Playing Larger Roles in Region
(Edit): Some other results:
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Yes apartheid. A token gesture here or their doesn't mean much because they will never be allowed in enough numbers to hold power over Jewish IsraelisThen here's another one for you. That's two Arabs in prominent Israeli Government positions compared to your absolute zero Jews in Arab ones.
Coincidentally (or not), today is the 100th year anniversary of General Allenby's famous entrance into Jerusalem:
On the contrary the Palestinian Authority does have a reason for being. The PA have powers under Oslo I and Oslo II.
For example, who will be responsible for overseeing the powers transferred to the PA under Oslo I, in the areas of education; health; social protection; direct taxation, and; tourism?
Israel
I hope for the sake of the Israelis that never comes to fruition. A demographic death warrant.
Its Israels own fault, the Israelis have no interest in negotiating a truly independent Palestine, therefore this must turn into a struggle for equal rights
A two state solution would only prolong the conflict.