Mikel Arteta | Lego Pep secures consecutive 8th place finishes

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The guy sets up so defensively and in a cowardly manner and then he has the audacity to come after the match and says we deserved to win. The guy is on drugs for sure.
I don't think you can say he set them up defensively. He had a midfield that had Partey as the holder, with Smith-Rowe, Odegaard, Saka, Pepe. If anything in hindsight he should have played Elneny alongside Partey as it didn't look like Smith-Rowe & Odegaard knew how to play the 8' role properly.
 

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I don't think you can say he set them up defensively. He had a midfield that had Partey as the holder, with Smith-Rowe, Odegaard, Saka, Pepe. If anything in hindsight he should have played Elneny alongside Partey as it didn't look like Smith-Rowe & Odegaard knew how to play the 8' role properly.
I am talking about the way his team plays. I know you will bring the west brom game, Newcastle game and some other saying how they scored 3 goals. It doesn't matter, overall the guy sets his team to play in slow sluggish manner. I said it after your FA cup win, his football is just not sustainable. We saw that with van gaal. Slow sluggish. You guys were passing side ways in the 93rd minute. How can anyone like the football his side plays. I like to banter arsenal and hope he stays with you lot forever but one thing I always enjoyed with arsenal was their good football. What arteta serves is absolute pile of sh*t. Even as a neutral he makes me irritated. I can understand why arsenal fans have had enough with him.
 
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Astonishing that he's being backed after having a season that makes Moyes' doomed season at United seem acceptable by comparison. But great for the rest of us!
 

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I am talking about the way his team plays. I know you will bring the west brom game, Newcastle game and some other saying how they scored 3 goals. It doesn't matter, overall the guy sets his team to play in slow sluggish manner. I said it after your FA cup win, his football is just not sustainable. We saw that with van gaal. Slow sluggish. You guys were passing side ways in the 93rd minute. How can anyone like the football his side plays. I like to banter arsenal and hope he stays with you lot forever but one thing I always enjoyed with arsenal was their good football. What arteta serves is absolute pile of sh*t. Even as a neutral he makes me irritated. I can understand why arsenal fans have had enough with him.
Oh, don't get me wrong, I was as angry as anyone with how we played, I'm just saying I don't think he sets them up deliberately to be cautious, perhaps it's that he can't coach them to attack better, or what I suspect that they've lost the intensity & aggression in their play that is vital in this day & age, & that might not be a direct fault of the manager but something that directly comes back round to him anyway.
 
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It’s actually rather fitting, the day Wenger turned to a decent at best Everton midfielder to sort out his woes was the day he cemented Arsenal’s place away from the top table.
 

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It’s actually rather fitting, the day Wenger turned to a decent at best Everton midfielder to sort out his woes was the day he cemented Arsenal’s place away from the top table.
I remember it well. It just seemed so desperate. They signed Benayoun from Chelsea on the same day.
 

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It was. I remember because the fact that Arsenal hadn't signed anyone was being reported for weeks up until the build-up to deadline day.
 

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Unbelievable. Zero respect for these guys. If you cannot accept when you are wrong, your opinion is worth nothing.
TBF to Barry he's praised Ole when we've done well. I fail to remember Wilson praising Ole at all. Maybe a sentence.
 

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It’s actually rather fitting, the day Wenger turned to a decent at best Everton midfielder to sort out his woes was the day he cemented Arsenal’s place away from the top table.
He doesn't come close to even being any kind of club legend or whatever from his playing career there. It's just such a strange appointment from every angle (apart from to """""actual football people""""" of course).

It'd be like us giving Fellaini the United job if he spent a few years putting out cones for Zidane somewhere.
 

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There seems insinuation that Ole had better squad than Artela which contributed to him doing better.

So, a hypothetical question:

Given that current united squad is better than Arsenal's, then will united supporters be happy if Arteta replaces Ole right now/end of season? If he is so better than Ole then will he take this squad to a whole new level?
 

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There seems insinuation that Ole had better squad than Artela which contributed to him doing better.

So, a hypothetical question:

Given that current united squad is better than Arsenal's, then will united supporters be happy if Arteta replaces Ole right now/end of season? If he is so better than Ole then will he take this squad to a whole new level?
It can be true that Ole had a better squad (which I think he did) but has also done a better job. As an extreme example If I managed City's team and Pep managed my five a side team (with a few extra obviously) in a game the team I managed would win, not all managerial jobs are equal, but it's also the case that Ole has improved what he started with while Arteta hasn't, surely nobody in their right mind would think of making that swap.
 

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There seems insinuation that Ole had better squad than Artela which contributed to him doing better.

So, a hypothetical question:

Given that current united squad is better than Arsenal's, then will united supporters be happy if Arteta replaces Ole right now/end of season? If he is so better than Ole then will he take this squad to a whole new level?
feck no, Arteta is shit. Just like Lampard was shit, they're early in their careers and could come good later down the road but as of now neither man should be anywhere near a top 6 club.
 

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feck no, Arteta is shit. Just like Lampard was shit, they're early in their careers and could come good later down the road but as of now neither man should be anywhere near a top 6 club.
To be fair, Arteta isn't anywhere near a top 6 club.
 

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I was specifically talking about posts on Arsenalmania forum. The fans you know are probably more sensible. I would quote some posts from that thread but I am too lazy to find the old thread and post them here.
I saw one poster on there saying that Villarreal was a very average team and that Aubameyang would score 3. Mate your team is just as average. It always leaves me scratching my head when they are oblivious to how bad their team is.
 

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To be fair, Arteta isn't anywhere near a top 6 club.
That only happened since Arteta joined the club though. Emery had been only 1 point away from 5th when he was sacked having finished 5th the season prior. Before 19/20 the last time Arsenal finished below the top 6 was 94/95. Sorry, but for me Arteta is the very reason why Arsenal are outside the Top 6, obviously the owners are also having an impact but he's just a very poor Manager.
 

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That only happened since Arteta joined the club though. Emery had been only 1 point away from 5th when he was sacked having finished 5th the season prior. Before 19/20 the last time Arsenal finished below the top 6 was 94/95. Sorry, but for me Arteta is the very reason why Arsenal are outside the Top 6, obviously the owners are also having an impact but he's just a very poor Manager.
I know, I'm just getting another cheap dig in at them. :D

I find it funny that TOTTENHAM, of all teams, have just binned off their manager while currently sitting 4 places and 7 points above them. They've fallen down the pecking order so quickly that even fecking Spurs now have higher standards.

It's just extra sweet that all the "patterns of play, mate" navel gazers in both football journalism and fandom (typified by that Delaney quote) are being made to look this daft after proclaiming Action Man the second coming on the basis of absolutely fecking nothing.
 

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I know, I'm just getting another cheap dig in at them. :D

I find it funny that TOTTENHAM, of all teams, have just binned off their manager while currently sitting 4 places and 7 points above them. They've fallen down the pecking order so quickly that even fecking Spurs now have higher standards.

It's just extra sweet that all the "patterns of play, mate" navel gazers in both football journalism and fandom (typified by that Delaney quote) are being made to look this daft after proclaiming Action Man the second coming on the basis of absolutely fecking nothing.
Agreed, i'm actually staggered they havent binned Arteta at the same time Chelsea binned Lampard as Arteta has not once shown that he can turn it around in the league. He just looks woefully out of depth and why Arsenal feel the need to lower their expectations to suddenly finishing outside of the top 6 for a complete rookie manager is beyond me. It's bizarre. Now they're out of Europe, so kiss goodbye to that income. All they've done is made it that much harder for Artetas replacement.
 

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I saw one poster on there saying that Villarreal was a very average team and that Aubameyang would score 3. Mate your team is just as average. It always leaves me scratching my head when they are oblivious to how bad their team is.
There’s a guy at work who is almost as bad as Ty, but even he before the Villarreal game was pessimistic. This was the same guy who argued “I reckon we will still finish top 8” a month or so ago, as if it was a badge of honour.
 

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Arsenal fans before every season are confident they will get top 4, Auba, Laca, Saka, Pepe blah blah blah. Then they dont and say how crap their squad is, Owner and manager are terrible and repeat.
 

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Arsenal have scored 45 goals in 34 Premier League games this season. Will they beat United's tally of 49 goals from 38 games in the 2015-16 season?
 

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Think they may hold on for another year, right now may be hard to even attract a top level manager
They'll be 15th if they don't back Arteta and let him bring in some good players, even then I think they'll struggle to make top top 6.
 

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Arsenal have scored 45 goals in 34 Premier League games this season. Will they beat United's tally of 49 goals from 38 games in the 2015-16 season?
31 of them were after the Chelsea game at Xmas as well, we only scored 14 goals the first 14 games!
 

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31 of them were after the Chelsea game at Xmas as well, we only scored 14 goals the first 14 games!
How different would your season have been if you'd sacked Arteta at Christmas?

Chelsea sacked Lampard and are in two finals and look like they'll finish top 4.

I think Arsenal aren't a team that should be 9th, the only thing is, do any top managers fancy Arsenal? Probably not. Maybe Graham Potter could be a good choice even if I don't completely rate him.
 

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How different would your season have been if you'd sacked Arteta at Christmas?

Chelsea sacked Lampard and are in two finals and look like they'll finish top 4.

I think Arsenal aren't a team that should be 9th, the only thing is, do any top managers fancy Arsenal? Probably not. Maybe Graham Potter could be a good choice even if I don't completely rate him.
What is Eddie Howe up to nowadays ?
 

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How different would your season have been if you'd sacked Arteta at Christmas?

Chelsea sacked Lampard and are in two finals and look like they'll finish top 4.

I think Arsenal aren't a team that should be 9th, the only thing is, do any top managers fancy Arsenal? Probably not. Maybe Graham Potter could be a good choice even if I don't completely rate him.
I don't know to be honest, as our form from Xmas hasn't actually been that bad. We're only 3 points behind you guys (although you've played a game less), only scored a goal less & you scored 9 in 1 game!

Don't get me wrong, we've still had some poor results, but it's our pre Xmas form that's really anchored us in midtable. I suppose you could argue a new manager might have had us more favourable results at home to the likes of Palace, Fulham, Everton but if we win those you're talking about Tuchel Chelsea form since Xmas & think we would all agree that would be a bit of a false picture to paint.
 

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I don't know to be honest, as our form from Xmas hasn't actually been that bad. We're only 3 points behind you guys (although you've played a game less), only scored a goal less & you scored 9 in 1 game!

Don't get me wrong, we've still had some poor results, but it's our pre Xmas form that's really anchored us in midtable. I suppose you could argue a new manager might have had us more favourable results at home to the likes of Palace, Fulham, Everton but if we win those we'd have been clear 2nd in points since Xmas & think we would all agree that would be a bit of a false picture to paint.
I think you absolutely massively overrate your post xmas form.

You always go on about it and it's really nothing special.
 

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I think you absolutely massively overrate your post xmas form.

You always go on about it and it's really nothing special.
Oh, your mistaking me if you think I'm saying that. City's form is special. Tuchels Chelsea form is pretty great too. Our form is just back with the rest of the chasing pack, so nothing special at all, but a lot better than our disaster of the pre Xmas form.
 
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Arsenal fans before every season are confident they will get top 4, Auba, Laca, Saka, Pepe blah blah blah. Then they dont and say how crap their squad is, Owner and manager are terrible and repeat.
True.

Now they say they just want an owner who cares about the club and fans but if that Spotify guy buys AFC but doesn't sign a world-class managers and spend 250M every summer then that circle you mentioned will simply repeat.
 

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Arsenal fans before every season are confident they will get top 4, Auba, Laca, Saka, Pepe blah blah blah. Then they dont and say how crap their squad is, Owner and manager are terrible and repeat.
Actually, fans from other clubs and pundits also get caught up in Arsenal fans' beginning of the season enthusiasm everrrry season. Just check at the top 4/top 6 predictions from the last few seasons both from pundits and in redcafe.