Massive cop outGood compromise or a complete kop out?
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Massive cop outGood compromise or a complete kop out?
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Feels a bit silly tbh. QPR were being cynical wanting to reinstate kneeling after they'd ditched it and Millwall paranoid about more bad press.Good compromise or a complete kop out?
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As you said, taking the knee was not started by BLM. It started and continues to be an act working towards equality. Just because BLM may have used it does not make it an act exclusive to them. Many groups and people not associated with BLM use it too.Racism clearly exists in the UK, I doubt any sane person would argue otherwise.
There are clearly issues that need to be dealt with, disproportionate “stop and searches” for black people for instance and also a similar situation in regards to incarceration in this country.
For people who saying that you need to differentiate the “BLM” slogan/movement from the organisation and their political goals, well that is just plain wrong, it absolutely matters.
Hopefully the UK can find its own anti racism voice/movement that focuses on our issues here in the UK rather than adopting a US version and trying to make it fit here.
The UK has it’s own issues with racism without a doubt and we all know the British Empires bloody role in history and our contribution to slavery in the US, Brazil and the Caribbean.
Many of you have already been keen to label me racist or “transparent” today for daring to critique the BLM movement and their goal to defund the police, stating that we shouldn’t confuse the message with the organisation who founded the message, really?
Also it has been stated that “taking a knee” didn’t start with BLM however it has since been adopted by them and will be forever associated with the group, rightly or wrongly. In fact the Premier League also started adding it to players shirts and citing it throughout the programming, once they realised who they were associated with they dropped it like a bad habit.
What id rather see in this country is a movement that focuses on real issues like the ones I mentioned above and also addresses issues like knife crime amongst young black people.
For instance despite only making up 13% of the population of London the majority of of knife crime is committed by black people. Is this because black people are inherently bad? Of course not, I suspect that this is likely to be linked to poverty rather than the colour of anyone’s skin however why not focus on the actual issues rather than spouting off some nonsense slogan in order to help you feel superior?
Marcus Rashford has been a shining light throughout this difficult period and is an example to all people in this country of how actionable ideas and activism can change the lives of those less fortunate, he is the gold standard for me.
If someone would like to engage in constructive discussion then feel free but I suspect that this is probably not going to happen on a football forum!
Nice that you want to give them the benefit of the doubt. Do you not know the history of Millwall fans?I would like to understand why they were boo'ing before putting them on the chopping block:
1. Are they being racist? - If so, that is completely unacceptable (TBH fear that this is why they were doing it)
2. Are they doing it because they don't want politics/other peoples opinions brought into a game of football that they have paid for? - If so, I can understand that (you wouldn't expect to go to the theatre/cinema and before the play/film starts they all "take a knee".
Racism is a big problem, everyone on this forum I am sure agrees with that, its only slightly better now than when I was a young man living in Blackburn (38 now), I still see passive racism day to day from what you would consider "regular / average Joe people".
Having said that, I really want to know why people are taking the knee. I argue that it's doing nothing other than people hopping onto the social bandwagon to be part of a trend/story, it's too easy.
To tackle something so big needs EFFORT (look at Rashy with the school dinners for instance).
Anti-racism needs a lot of time/investment putting into our culture in the UK, it should be taught properly in schools and people should be expected to "out" anybody being racist, it's not acceptable for you to do it, and its not acceptable for your friends to do it.
In a years time, when the next social media trend is taking place, dropping a knee will be well forgotten and I fear it didn't help.
Get these role models going into schools around the UK and investing time into teaching children.
I compare all of this to the people who clapped the NHS, I felt like they just had to be part of the story or were being sheeple, you should have seen our neighbours... it became embarrassing (who could out do each other the most to get the most attention).
If we were really that supportive of the NHS we should have upped everyone's tax from 20% to 21% and use those funds to give them all pay rises - For the record I would have happily done that!!
That's ridiculous. I would ask the ref to double the time they take the knee just to piss those racist asshats off more.Good compromise or a complete kop out?
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The club to scared to piss off their racist fans. Pointless club, should go down and go into administration for all I care.Good compromise or a complete kop out?
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Not at all, we were discussing the fact that poverty is likely the underlying cause of violent crime (or at least an element) and I called Rashford out because his work is directly affecting families living below the poverty line, essentially an example of what can be practically achieved with a specific plan.Marcus Rashford is obviously a top bloke and legend for his particular campaign. But his campaigning had nothing to do with racial equality. So it's not really relevant to this topic. Unless you're simply trying to demonstrate that he is a "good black" not like all those "bad blacks"?
You think they care?I thought BLM was no longer affiliated with the knee being taken ahead of matches and that it was just a chance for teams to highlight the need for equality?
The irony which I'm sure won't be acknowledged by anyone who feels the need to boo players for this is that, by booing, they're showing why action against discrimination is sadly still needed.
Flip side of that, of course, is by booing you are arguably helping drive the thought that racism in football and society is still a very real problem.
So thanks booers?
Les Ferdinand said the gesture had been diluted and wasn’t fit for purpose anymore I believeSo I'm not up to date but why was the QPR policy not to take the knee anyway?
Those fans should stop spending their hard earned money there if they can't voice their opinion. The club would soon be begging for them to come back.https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55213641
Colchester United: Fans who boo taking the knee 'not welcome' at club
If their opinion is that showing opposition to racism is bad, they should be banned from attending games tbhThose fans should stop spending their hard earned money there if they can't voice their opinion. The club would soon be begging for them to come back.
A good compromise.Good compromise or a complete kop out?
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How come this post was not removed as racist?White people are the worst.
Report it if you care so muchHow come this post was not removed as racist?
I did report it on Sunday.Report it if you care so much
It’s simple really, take a knee if you want a more socially accepting society, one that acknowledges the past and is willing to use this gesture as a line in the sand, to demonstrate that we’ve moved on and won’t accept discrimination.A good compromise.
Every footballer has been pressured to 'take the knee' and the Premier League made a horrible judgement to implement this movement which iv said from the start (obviously this view is hugely unpopular on this site). In reality outside of libcafe a large proportion of the general public wouldn't feel comfortable doing the 'gesture,' many see the flaws in this despite being labelled as being racist themselves. But it's been swept in despite football authorities previously coming down strong on political stances to the point where a player gets carded for taking his shirt off in celebration. However this particular 'message' was perhaps deemed non political and a clear right vs wrong fight for justice, yet unsurprisingly over a little amount of time people woke up (pun intended) to the problematic nature of BLM. Despite its apologists you cant get away from it's political nature, however authorities were to quick to rush this through exposing thier lack of nuance to the racism subject and all because of one cop from another continent. They thought this is 'beyond politics' and determined to be on 'the right side of history'.
Should we be surprised that there was booing, absolutely not. To many though this just serves as a confirmation bias that we do need this in as we 'hear the racists loud and clear now' and we need more performative gestures (sorry kneeling) because we are clearly a racist country. God help most other countries in the world mind but hey ho.
Well - it is.They thought this is 'beyond politics' and determined to be on 'the right side of history'.
Brilliant!Can't quote the video because I'm a newbie
Because they didn't take the knee?The shithouse of a club was better tonight. No recognisable booing anyway.
Have you bothered to read my sentence?Because they didn't take the knee?
Yes, did you read my question.Have you bothered to read my sentence?
I ignored it because it had nothing to do with what I said.Yes, did you read my question.
Of course it did, keep up. They didn't boo because their players had been instructed by Millwall to not take the knee. Which is what I was asking. In direct relation to your fecking comment.I ignored it because it had nothing to do with what I said.
But their opinion isn't showing that though is it.If their opinion is that showing opposition to racism is bad, they should be banned from attending games tbh