It’s easier to shine in a well-oiled team and in a relatively low-pressure environment.
Once you get to a bigger club and have a big price tag attached to your name, it’s a whole different game.
Moises Caicedo | Chelsea player
- Thread starter Samid
- Start date
-
In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Once you get to a bigger club and have a big price tag attached to your name, it’s a whole different game.
Just another £1 billion to go and you’ll get there…
He's definitely worse for Everton, at least what bits I've seen. At least he was bordering on double league figures for Brighton every season and generally not screwing things up as art of their system football. But, yeah, some large part of the 'effect' overall just has to be playing in clear systems as well as environment where they have just the right amount of productive pressure without it cramping their game etc...
How did he have a bad debut? Didn’t get to see it.
literally everything he did was wrong.
Still early days but if Caicedo does end up being flop, maybe it puts this 'PL proven' myth to bed.
Ultimately players are only 'club proven', and there's no knowing how well a player will adapt to a new team, coach or system irrespective of how successful their past exploits were. Caicedo has also only had one proper season in English football.
Ultimately players are only 'club proven', and there's no knowing how well a player will adapt to a new team, coach or system irrespective of how successful their past exploits were. Caicedo has also only had one proper season in English football.
Gave away the ball constantly, including in dangerous positions, and then gave away the penalty to give WH 3-1.
Gave away a penalty and earlier than that almost gave away a goal against a ten men west ham mind you.
West Ham fans enjoyed these. As did Utd fans. And Liverpool fans. Etc.
(Eat shit Todd)
Welbeck was plenty good at United as well his problem was always in front of goal and fitness, his all-round game was at pretty decent level .
The Caf would absolutely break if he had a United debut just like he did 
Chelsea should stop shopping at Brighton.
You say that and club/system proven is obviously more evident but there is definitely a benefit to players that have performed in the same league.
It isn’t a definitive assessment; a player from Bundesliga could come here and rip it much and a PL player could move to United and flop. But for initial assessment there is definitely a benefit to being used to the country, teams, and league style. It just isn’t the be all and end all.
Always seemed an absolutely daft fee, and the likes of Carragher slating Casemiro saying we should think long term like Chelsea have was comedy too.
One of the all time worst sub appearances that one.
One of the all time worst sub appearances that one.
He looked totally unfit out there. How much preseason did he even get with Brighton?
Di Zerbi wanted nothing to do with him so I'm guessing none. Which is no surprise as he was more interested in outside affairs anyway, with his entourage.
Agreed. He looked really slow and heavy. Reminiscent of Casemiro against Wolves, actually.
That was a player totally not up to speed.
This, so much this. That's why I would be reticent in appointing a manager from Brighton or signing any of their players.
Their players cost exorbitant fees, and there's no guarantees that they will perform to the same level outside of Brighton's well oiled system. Same for managers; look how Potter faired at Chelsea. I'm a big De Zerbi fan, but who knows how well he would fare at another PL team outside of Brighton.
Brighton are just an unbelievably well run club with amazing structures in place to allow players and managers to thrive, and flourish.
He was on strike the last few weeks, no?
makes you wonder if billionaires would consider trying to buy them
Never ever spunk big money on multiple players from mid table clubs trying to build a super team. Learn from Real Madrid.
He’ll be disappointed with that effort 
Forget the EPL tax, people should talk about the Brighton tax. Most of the players they have sold are nowhere near as good outside of the Brighton system. (As an aside, I'm happy with Trossard and White.)
He refused to play or train with us after we turned down your original offers. Effectively went on strike. Then claimed a “hamstring strain” and signed with you 5 days later.
I was surprised by Moises unprofessionalism, not in forcing the move, but at least in staying match sharp ready to debut and justify his British record price.
He will come good, but that was absolutely hopeless today.
Did you forget when people called him bambi on ice?
He will come good indeed, but the kid has not been very mature during this whole thing and has been advised ...poorly. Personally, I feel he moved too soon. He would have benefited from at least one more season with Brighton.
Also, he is moving from a fairly well tuned Brighton team to a bit of a mess in Chelsea (just ask Potter) so it may take some extra time for it to all gel. It might take him a bit longer now because he is short on experience.
Also, he is moving from a fairly well tuned Brighton team to a bit of a mess in Chelsea (just ask Potter) so it may take some extra time for it to all gel. It might take him a bit longer now because he is short on experience.
What a nice end to the weekend.
Feck Boehly
Feck Boehly
As we all know his per 90 stats at his best are pretty identical to Fred's in his first 4 years at Utd. Fred didn't give away pens though so he will need to improve to reach his usual level.
It's just Cucurella and Bissouma who dissapointed in other clubs so far, I think? And both of them joined clubs in absolute disarray for their first season outside of Brighton.
Why do people think this is a great player from start? Because someone bought him for crazy money? He is pretty much Djemba Djemba without that cool name.
Ah come on, his debut was funny but let's not go crazy.That's a silly post, mate.
I can't believe his performance wasn't butter.
Chelsea poached the recruitment team off Brighton when they took Potter.
MOTM against us.
Mac allister got sent off for Liverpool Saturday.