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Bailly is just another in a long list of players that Mourinho has made worse.Or maybe he's just injury prone? He certainly didn't play like a coward in his first season.
Bailly is just another in a long list of players that Mourinho has made worse.Or maybe he's just injury prone? He certainly didn't play like a coward in his first season.
Guess everyone has their breaking point!It has reached a point where Jose needs to go, Carrick and McKenna need to step in until the end of the season and then Woodward must also step down. Season is finished.
Mourinho must be paying you a lot. You're not a United fan.Apparently the banner is going to have Mourinho as the exterminator.
Pogba, Woodward and Glazers as the rats.
Should be ready Wednesday.
Not CA1 it seems!Guess everyone has their breaking point!
Hard to say to judge Bailly at the moment because he's struggled so badly with injuries.Bailly is just another in a long list of players that Mourinho has made worse.
I'm a fan, and I'm well away from Jose's toxicity and I find myself not minding it so much when Soton scored the second last night.Because you're paid millions of pounds to do your fecking job? If you don't like it, nothing stops you leaving, he's only got 2 years on his contract now as far as I'm aware. I've got more than just a foot in the Mourinho Out camp now but Pogba, despite being our best player by a mile, is a completely unprofessional bellend.
Yes I did and I think his performance was incredibly exaggerated.Did you watch the World Cup...?
It's everyone's fault but Mourinho. Beyond ridiculousBanner for Tuesday
RATS
Pogba, Avram Glazer and Ed Woodward heads all on a Rats body.
They would be. As talented as he is, he represents a major problem for us at the moment. He provides no help protection in midfield, leaving matic exposed. He forces formation switches which kills the form of other players, and provides a dressing room problem. PSG makes sense since the French League allows for laid back form. At Juve he was given time and space due to the pace of the league and the other midfield and defensive weapons juventus had, maybe go back there. But i cannot see him performing in La Liga either.A team wouldn't be a mug to sign Pogba, far from it.
Wasn't really signed to do that job, nor is it what he's best at. Matic exposes himself by being utter crap.They would be. As talented as he is, he represents a major problem for us at the moment. He provides no help protection in midfield, leaving matic exposed. He forces formation switches which kills the form of other players, and provides a dressing room problem. PSG makes sense since the French League allows for laid back form. At Juve he was given time and space due to the pace of the league and the other midfield and defensive weapons juventus had, maybe go back there. But i cannot see him performing in La Liga either.
That's really going to endear him to the fans who spent money travelling to Southampton to watch him do just that.I'm a fan, and I'm well away from Jose's toxicity and I find myself not minding it so much when Soton scored the second last night.
If I were Pogba, I'd certainly do my bare minimum, if it means Mourinho is sacked.
You need a break.Changed it just now. Need to spread the wider message.
Bailly is a embarrassment though. Absolutely shit, injured when it matters, a real coward.
This.It is his problem when he trots around the pitch, tries drag backs and loses the ball and generally stinks out the place though.
Im firmly of the opinion both he and mourinho both need to go.
He's a troll . No-one should take him seriouslyIt's everyone's fault but Mourinho. Beyond ridiculous
I had given up on both prior to the Chelsea match. Jose does not and will not be able to shape the squad the way he wants, and has done a relatively poor job at it. He has been asking to get sacked since the start of the season, and it has been obvious the spell is over for a while, but we keep drawing or scraping through some results and its not ending. We need him gone to be able to implement a new club strategy with a recruitment director moving forward.I had given up on Jose.. I gave up on Pogba after last night's match.
I have no interest in him staying at United. He does his own thing far too often.
They can both go. I wouldnt care.
The problem is though, 3 mangers have failed in a row.. If, and I have no idea if its true, only people running the club would know, but if its because the players act like dicks the mangers failing is down to "player power", then the priority must be to get them out first.
I honestly don't care either way anymore.
Every player in midfield is supposed to work hard for the team defensively, either with pressing or jockeying. Pogba does neither, he just strolls around looking lifeless. If Yaya Toure could work in a tandem with both Gareth Barry and Nigel de Jong, why can't Pogba.Wasn't really signed to do that job, nor is it what he's best at. Matic exposes himself by being utter crap.
I think it's CastlesMourinho must be paying you a lot. You're not a United fan.
Either you're Castles or Jose Junior. I hope fellow fans have the good sense to boo that fecking banner!
Spot on. If Jose manages to stay, it's going to be a fire sale as there is going to be a lot of players looking to get out this toxic environment. I'm pretty damn sure it will be equally hard to get anyone here too....He had a very bad game, how many of those has Matic and Lukaku had recently? Of course the rhetoric about Pogba prancing around as if he doesn't care will get thrown around again, and perhaps rightfully so - personally I think Pogba and Martial are our 2 most technically gifted, exciting players who have proven (particularly in Pogba's case) the kind of football they are capable of on more than enough occasions for us to question the manager that has consistently failed to get the best out of them (and most of his other players)
Nice try tho Jose
You’re losing it mate.Apparently the banner is going to have Mourinho as the exterminator.
Pogba, Woodward and Glazers as the rats.
Should be ready Wednesday.
Did this "hatred of [insert manager] and optimism of a new manager" happen for Moyes and van Gaal? How did that turn out?When redcafe Unites in hatred of Mourinho and optimism of a new manager, it will be a beautiful day.
Rather conveniant you seem to be forgetting about one David Silva and a prime James Milner who is still more mobile than Matic has ever shown at UnitedEvery player in midfield is supposed to work hard for the team defensively, either with pressing or jockeying. Pogba does neither, he just strolls around looking lifeless. If Yaya Toure could work in a tandem with both Gareth Barry and Nigel de Jong, why can't Pogba.
This isn’t about Mourinho in or out, Pogba and Woodward have done nothing to help this situation.Guess everyone has their breaking point!
For me, I think we have been using him so wrong this entire time. He is not a building block in midfield, he does not have the aggression, desire or mindset to play there. Yaya was a DM at Barcelona, so he was different. Pogba's size has decieved people into thinking he's a midfielder. He's a luxury attacking midfielder that can drive a team offensively, but needs a base of support behind him to be truly effective like ozil. In the Premier League, his reactions don't seem quick enough to be effective sometimes, and in my opinion, he should not be viewed as a catalyst for the team, but rather a very talented supporting player.I was totally against bringing back Pogba, said so in the threads that preceded his 90 million pound return. There was just a bad smell about re-signing someone our greatest ever manager had reason to let go, and it was symptomatic of the directionless thrashing about post-Fergie that continues today. Pogba is obviously not a front man carrying the team, he's just a top talent who wants to do brilliant things on the pitch. But he doesn't do that many and when he fecks up it costs us. A real frustration. He needs a superb captain figure alongside him to liberate him from responsibility. Mourinho might have some twisted tendentious reasons for singling him out but I understand his disappointment.
What the feck are you on about? This is the post I made about Pogba in this thread:You've been churning out excuses for Jose all over this board and you mentioned him in your post. I don't care for you pretending you had an unbiased assessment of Jose and Pogba when it's clear you don't. I'm well within my rights to call you out.
Yeah I watched Pogba for Juve and also for France as well. With good players and a competent coach around him (the structure most world class players have) he has the potential to be world class. This much is clear. Problem is we never got to witness this b/c of the fraud, negative, out-of-touch manager you defended for so long.
I said after that Jose needs to go too, and so does Pogba. I said the day he signed that he shouldn't have been bought. I even made a thread asking if anyone thought 89m could be better spent.Pogba is ridiculously overrated, he's no way near a KDB level. Always going to be a waste at 89m.
Who though?If he’s jot gong to be our full time, then no. If we are sacking Jose it has to be for a full time replacement. Let him work with the squad for the rest of the season, get a summer window to make the changes he needs and by the tim Ernest season starts we are off to the races. Anything else is just utterly pointless.
It'll be a HUGE step in the right direction, at the very least.Did this "hatred of [insert manager] and optimism of a new manager" happen for Moyes and van Gaal? How did that turn out?
Most people see the necessity for change, they just don't think that changing ONLY Mourinho is the the solution to all our problems.
I don't disagree, but the main blame ultimately goes to the manager IMO. It's his role to manage the dressing room, it's his job to get the best out of the players he has, it's his job to implement a system for the team and see continual progression and improvement. Pogba is a problem, but under another manager might be a star. That, or they decide to get rid and settle with someone they can trust. Woodward isn't afraid to spend big, and under another manager he might be able to get the best out of those signings and get the trust from Woodward to then get those few other key pieces if they are required to step up.This isn’t about Mourinho in or out, Pogba and Woodward have done nothing to help this situation.
Absolutely this! Anyone (Caf members)who admits that they would play poorly just to get the manager sacked would not be a true professional!That's really going to endear him to the fans who spent money travelling to Southampton to watch him do just that.
What. About. Matic?I don't care if Pogba has an issue with Mou or not because as far as I'm concerned, Pogba can rightly feck off for not doing his duty as a highly paid pro and that is to be the best he can be on the field, for the club.
Well there were some immediate results for both. Moyes was wrong from the start, Van Gaals first season was mostly positive and ended on an optimistic note. Half way through the next season it was time for him to go, eventually got sacked, and Mourinho brought a bit of freshness at the start and again a relatively optimistic first season. It's well past time to go now though. You have to hope that a manager can actually bring continual progress and not just a shorter rebound.Did this "hatred of [insert manager] and optimism of a new manager" happen for Moyes and van Gaal? How did that turn out?
Most people see the necessity for change, they just don't think that changing ONLY Mourinho is the the solution to all our problems.
I bet you would love to lick mourinhos ass or are you him in disguise?Apparently the banner is going to have Mourinho as the exterminator.
Pogba, Woodward and Glazers as the rats.
Should be ready Wednesday.
Aren't you overrating Mourinho's flexibility?I bet you would love to lick mourinhos ass or are you him in disguise?