New season of that Apprentice show. Dave doesn't even bother wearing a tie, what a scruffy bastard.What's this then?
New season of that Apprentice show. Dave doesn't even bother wearing a tie, what a scruffy bastard.What's this then?
They tried to get a word with him after his meeting with Cartwright in London and he made a run for it.
That's our David running from Sky's questions earlier today in London.
He actually ran? Hahaha that's brilliant.The video is above. He's running away from SSN tonight.
Surprised at how negative you've been towards this Phil.New season of that Apprentice show. Dave doesn't even bother wearing a tie, what a scruffy bastard.
I don't rate Moyes tbh, never have. So yeah, not been a great day.Surprised at how negative you've been towards this Phil.
Short term success aye, but long term he's a liability and has a tendency to leave the club in a shite position. I mean look at this from our Madrid fan Vato,Mourinho's a sure bet when it comes to success on the pitch. Not saying I want Mou, just saying I think he's the only one that could really handle it and push us on.
It's the sort of exit you can predict with Mourinho, he is such a dominant and decisive manager that when things start to go wrong the issues are magnified. I actually like him as a bloke and find him entertaining, but he isn't the right fit for a club like United.I don't give a shit where he's going as long as he gets the feck out of Madrid. I'm fed up with this clown now.
Only yesterday he came out saying that as long as he is a manager for Madrid, Lopez would be in goal... Never have I seen a professional manager holding a club ransom like he is doing now at the expense of a club legend.
Then Pepe came out defending Casillas saying that Casillas wasn't the bad guy in this whole affair and Mourinho replied that Pepe said that only because he's frustrated by Varane being a better defender.
He can feck right off, seriously.
but but shiny medals.Short term success aye, but long term he's a liability and has a tendency to leave the club in a shite position. I mean look at this from our Madrid fan Vato,
It's the sort of exit you can predict with Mourinho, he is such a dominant and decisive manager that when things start to go wrong the issues are magnified. I actually like him as a bloke and find him entertaining, but he isn't the right fit for a club like United.
He also tends to spend alot of money on players in their prime which isn't sustainable, I mean the position he left Inter in was a joke in terms of their players ages. There is very little long term investment in players who need real development and he doesn't focus on the club's youth team.
I know mate, I'm not advocating Mourinho and it's because of all the baggage he brings. I just think he's the only one that could step straight into Fergie's shoes and deal with it.Short term success aye, but long term he's a liability and has a tendency to leave the club in a shite position. I mean look at this from our Madrid fan Vato,
Instead of telling them to feck off and ignore them, he ran away. May god bless us.He actually ran? Hahaha that's brilliant.
I think it's a huge plus that we can refer to our new gaffer as 'Dave'. Add it to the '101 things to like about David Moyes' list!You know what, today I've really come round to Moyes. I've even found myself calling him 'Dave', who doesn't love a good underdog story!
It's also a plus, for me, that he hates Suarez.
That's not what Fergie would do.Instead of telling them to feck off and ignore them, he ran away. Class.
I think he's a very good manager personally. Not as big as you'd like for a club of this size but I think he'll come in and steady the ship.I don't rate Moyes tbh, never have. So yeah, not been a great day.
IndeedThat's not what Fergie would do.
Well, these are legitimate concerns. It is a risk, certainly. Sometimes you have to risk it, though. And what realistic alternatives do we have that are less risky?It's the situation that requires a big name not the club. We need someone with experience and knowledge of winning titles to secure the clubs future short term over what will be a very bumpy few years. We're seemingly going a different route and going for the unproven road which could make the bumpy few years even worse. I think it's an unwarranted risk and could easily backfire. That's not to say a big name won't also crumble under the pressure of replacing Ferguson, but its a huge, huge ask for a relatively unproven manager to take on.
Post of the year, well done.Oh, I agree completely. Fergie had excellent results to show, the Cup Winner's Cup not least.
This thing is just going round in circles now, though. "Moyes has never won anything." "No, but he's never had a proper chance to do so either." "Yeah, but he could've at least beaten Liverpool at Anfield a couple of times." "Sure, but it proves nothing that he hasn't." And so on.
Nobody denies the man has no (major) trophies to his name. Pointing that out over and over again, however, won't change the fact that Fergie clearly sees something in him. If there's anything Fergie has excelled at over the years it's spotting potential where others couldn't. To me it means a great deal that he backs Moyes. It means a lot more than the fact Moyes hasn't won anything. He has been at Everton for more than a decade, there's not much he could have won apart from the odd cup (and that, as we have been over, isn't easy - the one cup which actually means something has been dominated almost completely by the big teams during his tenure at Goodison).
I'll repeat one final point before I go to bed: Hiring a manager is a matter of selecting the man who is best suited for the part, pure and simple. Except it ain't simple, of course. It's a gamble of sorts no matter who you go for. What it is not, however, is a matter of picking the biggest name on the list and hire him - misguidedly believing that a huge club by necessity needs to hire a huge name. Once more, look at what Barca did with Guardiola. He didn't have a trophy to his name when he put the pen to the paper. You can't win anything big unless someone has faith in you and gives you a break.
Good night.
Far too kind.Post of the year, well done.
Great post mate.Well, these are legitimate concerns. It is a risk, certainly. Sometimes you have to risk it, though. And what realistic alternatives do we have that are less risky?
I think people are overlooking something crucial here: The club (the Glazers, Gill, Charlton, Fergie not least) clearly don't want a revolution. They want a man who can carry on what Fergie has created in terms of structure and method. Perhaps they're wrong. Perhaps we should turn the whole thing upside down, try something completely different. But like it or not they obviously want to keep the basics - which in fairness seem to work fairly well. Fergie has done alright, to make the understatement of the century.
Would Mourinho, for instance, be keen on simply perpetuating Fergie's methods? I don't think so. Ancelotti? Hardly, I'd say. Would any big name be happy to have Fergie on board as a mentor of sorts? Can't really see that. Moyes would, though. Now, again, perhaps this strategy isn't the right one - perhaps the Glazers are better off forcing Fergie to retire completely, focus solely on his horses and never meddle at all. But that isn't what they have in mind - they do want him to stick around in a more hands-on role. Given this, who is better suited for the job than Moyes? That seems to be the question.
So this is what we're expecting from our new manager? Steady the ship a bit (we've just won the title), not expected to win anything and maybe in a few years time we'll get someone better in to move the club forward?I think he's a very good manager personally. Not as big as you'd like for a club of this size but I think he'll come in and steady the ship.
I don't anticipate winning the league again in the next couple of years (especially if Mourinho returns to Chelsea) but I expect he'll do a good job and keep us competetive.
Then if we want to change it after a couple of years it will be much easier for someone else to come in and move the club forward.
Obviously it'll be a bonus if Moyes turns out to be amazing like!
Bloody hell Plech!O'Neill is the man for the job
When the time comes
Well said.Oh, I agree completely. Fergie had excellent results to show, the Cup Winner's Cup not least.
This thing is just going round in circles now, though. "Moyes has never won anything." "No, but he's never had a proper chance to do so either." "Yeah, but he could've at least beaten Liverpool at Anfield a couple of times." "Sure, but it proves nothing that he hasn't." And so on.
Nobody denies the man has no (major) trophies to his name. Pointing that out over and over again, however, won't change the fact that Fergie clearly sees something in him. If there's anything Fergie has excelled at over the years it's spotting potential where others couldn't. To me it means a great deal that he backs Moyes. It means a lot more than the fact Moyes hasn't won anything. He has been at Everton for more than a decade, there's not much he could have won apart from the odd cup (and that, as we have been over, isn't easy - the one cup which actually means something has been dominated almost completely by the big teams during his tenure at Goodison).
I'll repeat one final point before I go to bed: Hiring a manager is a matter of selecting the man who is best suited for the part, pure and simple. Except it ain't simple, of course. It's a gamble of sorts no matter who you go for. What it is not, however, is a matter of picking the biggest name on the list and hire him - misguidedly believing that a huge club by necessity needs to hire a huge name. Once more, look at what Barca did with Guardiola. He didn't have a trophy to his name when he put the pen to the paper. You can't win anything big unless someone has faith in you and gives you a break.
Good night.
It's a unique set of circumstances Nev. I don't think it's realistic to expect someone to come in and dominate the league and, frankly, I'm just hoping it isn't a disaster.So this is what we're expecting from our new manager? Steady the ship a bit (we've just won the title), not expected to win anything and maybe in a few years time we'll get someone better in to move the club forward?
Well why didn't someone say something sooner? I'm officially excited now.
feck me, are we Spurs?
I'm hoping that too, but surely we should be expecting more than "not being a disaster" from a Manchester United managerial appointment.It's a unique set of circumstances Nev. I don't think it's realistic to expect someone to come in and dominate the league and, frankly, I'm just hoping it isn't a disaster.
By steady the ship I'm obviously referring to finishing in the top 3 and being competetive across the board. I'm just not expecting anything fantastic.I'm hoping that too, but surely we should be expecting more than "not being a disaster" from a Manchester United managerial appointment.
I really hope Moyes proves me wrong, he seems a decent guy and has done a superb job at Everton. If he gets this chance and takes it then fair play, but this is scary shit that we seem content with a couple of years of someone simply steadying the ship.
True, but then Liverpool fans might have said the same thing when Paisley took over.It's a unique set of circumstances Nev. I don't think it's realistic to expect someone to come in and dominate the league and, frankly, I'm just hoping it isn't a disaster.
What's really annoying is that it happens to be at a time when Mourinho's probably available.I'm hoping that too, but surely we should be expecting more than "not being a disaster" from a Manchester United managerial appointment.
I really hope Moyes proves me wrong, he seems a decent guy and has done a superb job at Everton. If he gets this chance and takes it then fair play, but this is scary shit that we seem content with a couple of years of someone simply steadying the ship.
I agree with what you're saying. Moyes certainly is a logical choice for keeping everything grounded, we know he's a committed man. He'll steady the ship as Carl puts it. But then part of me questions whether that's the right mentality to take. Why steady the ship when the ship itself is a battleship! Seems to me like we've decided that Moyes is a bit of a yes man, someone who will come to the club and accept how its run, the procedures and follow orders. But is that something Ferguson would do? If a Ferguson of today walked into the club, would he accept that? Or would he say, feck that. I'm the manager, you'll do as I say.Well, these are legitimate concerns. It is a risk, certainly. Sometimes you have to risk it, though. And what realistic alternatives do we have that are less risky?
I think people are overlooking something crucial here: The club (the Glazers, Gill, Charlton, Fergie not least) clearly don't want a revolution. They want a man who can carry on what Fergie has created in terms of structure and method. Perhaps they're wrong. Perhaps we should turn the whole thing upside down, try something completely different. But like it or not they obviously want to keep the basics - which in fairness seem to work fairly well. Fergie has done alright, to make the understatement of the century.
Would Mourinho, for instance, be keen on simply perpetuating Fergie's methods? I don't think so. Ancelotti? Hardly, I'd say. Would any big name be happy to have Fergie on board as a mentor of sorts? Can't really see that. Moyes would, though. Now, again, perhaps this strategy isn't the right one - perhaps the Glazers are better off forcing Fergie to retire completely, focus solely on his horses and never meddle at all. But that isn't what they have in mind - they do want him to stick around in a more hands-on role. Given this, who is better suited for the job than Moyes? That seems to be the question.
Also, sky is falling.How many finals has moyes got to? Even Redknapp has won a trophy and Martinez has got Wigan to a final.
Moyes will be the end of United. Fergie backed mcleish, says enough about him spotting talent.
what the feck are you on about? Of course he is going to vouch for one of his old players. Moyes wasn't one of his old players was he?How many finals has moyes got to? Even Redknapp has won a trophy and Martinez has got Wigan to a final.
Moyes will be the end of United. Fergie backed mcleish, says enough about him spotting talent.
If you're into that sort of thing.Good post, fatboy. Post of the year.
You have not seen a lot of Everton if you actually believe that.The appointment of Moyes feels like no different than if we hire Hodgson, or even O'Neill, in terms of playing style. There's just nothing special in there to separate them.
They are on the same clothes of the type of managers that Fergie likes. O'Neill at Villa played exactly the same as Moyes Everton.You have not seen a lot of Everton if you actually believe that.
Has nothing to do with your post in regards to playing style. Getting a little sick of all the posts slagging a manager before he is even confirmed.May, 2001.
Sir Alex Ferguson believes Celtic manager Martin O'Neill would be the ideal man to succeed his reign at Old Trafford.
Ferguson, who will sever all links with United at the end of next season, sees the former Leicester City manager and Northern Ireland captain as the perfect candidate for the job.
"Martin's a no-nonsense manager - just what you need at a big club. You don't mess this man around," he told the News of the World.
"Any recognition and praise that Martin gets is deserved. For him to go to Celtic and change it all around in one season is remarkable.
"I have to say I thought he would do that because he is a good organiser and a great believer in team spirit.
"He is a no-nonsense manager who is strong and has a personality and I think those qualities are important at a big club like Celtic.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/1340732.stm