Out of curiousity, are you Portuguese by any chance?
My love for Jose is returning
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Hard to grasp how can someone tolerate Jose's behaviour. Yea I know he's your manager and all, but really. Enrique was vilified by our fan base at one point when he went against players. We don't hold managers to such high esteem. The man poked the eye of another human without any provocation. I don't believe anyone here brings that incident out. Time and again he has desrespected/abused other managers, players and staff and maybe some cute puppies. I don't say anything bad about Zidane or Carlo because of our rivalry towards Real. But I can never say good about Jose even if he didn't manage Real at any point. Not only his footballing ideas are archaic, but in general he is a vile human.
He still isn't the right man for the job, regardless of how much (some) people like him.
Is this a confession thread?
Anyway, as a football fan, not love but more like.. a like, fondness, interesting guy -- he is an interesting cool figure in this football game, top manager with interesting character.
As a United fan, appreciate what he did (the good works, not the bad works) for this club taking it to this higher level, but just can't see him as the right manager for this club bringing it to the next level. Fooled before into thinking he is as hope he will change his football to suit the club more, but nope, showed plenty of times he'll readily go back to his gun and ways and sticking to it whenever he pleases, usually when the team performance is stable. Can't see his football evolving, so the United he manages won't be the fun attacking United we know and love, consistently. Finish this season well is all I ask then change the person at the helm, rather gamble risk it with new visionary leader who may or may not steer this ship to have fun adventure into the Great seas, not this ongoing consistent stable boring sails just around close to it.
Anyway, as a football fan, not love but more like.. a like, fondness, interesting guy -- he is an interesting cool figure in this football game, top manager with interesting character.
As a United fan, appreciate what he did (the good works, not the bad works) for this club taking it to this higher level, but just can't see him as the right manager for this club bringing it to the next level. Fooled before into thinking he is as hope he will change his football to suit the club more, but nope, showed plenty of times he'll readily go back to his gun and ways and sticking to it whenever he pleases, usually when the team performance is stable. Can't see his football evolving, so the United he manages won't be the fun attacking United we know and love, consistently. Finish this season well is all I ask then change the person at the helm, rather gamble risk it with new visionary leader who may or may not steer this ship to have fun adventure into the Great seas, not this ongoing consistent stable boring sails just around close to it.
Love turns to hate fairly quickly in caf. When we won it 3-2 last year at etihad, people were singing his name. How quickly it turned sour after that..
I hope, we win this game and the love will be permanent.
I hope, we win this game and the love will be permanent.
Mourinho dropped Lukaku before he got injured, so to say he stumbled on his best team isn’t entirely accurate.
Mourinho dropped Lukaku before he got injured, so to say he stumbled on his best team isn’t entirely accurate.
Almost impossible to judge this manager in simple terms. His trophy record in different countries is world historical. And yet his football and character are so divisive. So I form my judgement based solely on the justifications behind his freak outs. This season its a high scoring competition. So the 3 fingers at home to Juve and puto motherfecker stuff into the camera post Newcastle count against him. But recently he's doing better. The touchline fracas at Chelsea was to my mind entirely understandable and the ear cupping was too. So its two all. If the glint returns he must stay. If it doesn't he has to go. Has to.
I like Mourinho. Always have
He's a top manager
He took over a broken United and is doing his best to mend us. Along the way (UEFA Cup) he has helped us complete the set. And has brought back the mentality the club should be.. acting like one of the biggest in the world..
We had to go through David fecking Moyes and Van Gaal
I've been watching United since 1987. It's not great at the moment but it's still early days for this relatively young squad. I haven't and will not turn on Jose.
The most sensible option would be to assess at the end of the season
But yeah sack fergie, sell giggs etc
He's a top manager
He took over a broken United and is doing his best to mend us. Along the way (UEFA Cup) he has helped us complete the set. And has brought back the mentality the club should be.. acting like one of the biggest in the world..
We had to go through David fecking Moyes and Van Gaal
I've been watching United since 1987. It's not great at the moment but it's still early days for this relatively young squad. I haven't and will not turn on Jose.
The most sensible option would be to assess at the end of the season
But yeah sack fergie, sell giggs etc
Benched really, not dropped. I think there is a difference between stone cold dropped, benched and this situation Lukaku was in that he basically couldn't be rested. A couple of months ago Jose should have given a two week rest to both Pogba and Lukaku to be fresh for this period. But Lukaku definitely needed a rest at the very least - either way this isn't even our best team. We've played way way better than this with Lukaku in the side last year.
My love for Redcafe is returning. Feels less like a subforum for United on Bluemoon now.
I wish you were right mate..The old Jose is on the way back, his reaction after the Newcastle game, his anger after the Chelsea incident and now his reaction to the Juve fansafter last nights game. He is not quite back but he is getting there and shows how much he loves United.
Keep it going Jose.
If he can beat that other Manchester team in their own back yard the Love can turn into a full blown relationship.
But ive come to learn from his first day that Jose seems to do this in cycles, and thats what im terrified about for this weekend.
1 - Every time he's under severe pressure, and everyone wants him out, we have a game where a player plays a blinder & pulls him out of a hole (and he takes full credit)
2 - then follows a few games where we look quite decent the odd one we actually score a few good goals, and everyones on the 'give him time'/ 'we're on the right path' mindset
3 - then comes one at OT where its classic shit football jose, minimal chances on goal, pogbas doing stepovers in the centre circle and has us all all moaning and on edge
4 - we play great away again! dont know how but its happened..
5 - a few games again of depressing backwards stuff & awful results where we are wondering if we would be better under someone else
6 - rinse & repeat
..Something along them lines..
This is the Jose I like. Hopefully he has got his mojo back.
Egyptian, I belive. Seem to remember him from the WC forum.
Mourinho is not the right man forward. Credit where it’s due though, he has challenged a culture (seen from the outside) of complacency among our players, have built a strong enough squad to play better football (under a different manager) and have won a couple of trophy’s. He took a long detour with some players whose talent was never in question (Shaw and Martial), so maybe deserves some credit here for getting them firing on all cylinders, but also deserves equal part blame for the time it took, imo.
I wish to go up against Everton, Burnely, Brighton, Bournemouth, and West fecking Ham knowing we’ll dominate possession and create double the amount of chances conceded. I also wish to meet the other top teams on equal footing, without having to hope one or two of our best players are having the game of their life to save something from those games. Never going to happen under Mourinho I fear.
Hope we part ways ‘amicably’ after the season ends, since I still have some respect for the man (he did spend several years ingratiating himself to this club and us fans). The time for him would have been following SAF. The club hiring a possession oriented total football manager before him also ment a big shift in style and mentality was needed for it to work out for Mou. Third year in it hasn’t really worked out, so yeah.
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Christ this forum is so reactionary. Wasn't that long ago we were all slagging him off - now some are well in love again. Lets wait and see shall we..
1 Enrique was vilified because he walked into an already great side that were just starting slide. Jose had to sort out the chaos of has a bunch of disjointed players who were accumulated by three previous managers and have little connection with the club. A bit like Barca before their golden generation. Before they were ever champions of Europe. Barcelona play in a two-team league and enjoy the lions share of tv revenue. If United had those advantages during our peak years there would be a national strike with a parliamentary inquiry. We don’t need your advice.
2 Jose managed R. Madrid. Get over it.
3 Spanish football is Rangers and Celtic 40 years ago
Thanks for the reality check - I needed that. My rose-tinted spectacles were well and truly demisting. Couldn’t have put it better myself.
Yeah I can't deal with it. It's a real reflection on how society is these days, everyone is reactionary, jumping from one opinion to another in no time at all. Hard to really take anyones views seriously when they're so quick to change them.
Things have been more positive since Newcastle, but we really hit rock bottom before that.
If we continue on this upwards spiral and can sort out our home form then i'll be happy for him to stay.
He needs to continue on this positive motion though, stop being negative and killing the team publically.
The fact he's playing a consistent team helps too, no surprise our form has risen since we've had a solid team for a few matches. Can't believe it's taken him so long to stick with it.
If we continue on this upwards spiral and can sort out our home form then i'll be happy for him to stay.
He needs to continue on this positive motion though, stop being negative and killing the team publically.
The fact he's playing a consistent team helps too, no surprise our form has risen since we've had a solid team for a few matches. Can't believe it's taken him so long to stick with it.
You all love him untile we lose, or he plays lukaku or he has a fight with poggers or anything that the average forum Joe can t understand it a completely normal in football.
Not been on the forum long but the majority of posters here are so reactionary, the amount of times the poll has changed on whether Mourinho should stay or go on a match by match basis, which is crazy. I've been convinced for a long time Mourinho isn't the right man for us going forward and remain convinced that we won't win any significant trophy under his management. I commend others who believe this has all changed due to a lucky win vs Juventus and some signs of pissing off other teams players/fans the last few weeks. Currently the forum has a love in, if we lose to City on Sunday, and badly, everyone will go into meltdown again and claim how awful he is and how past it he is.
Don't worry, soon we all will dislike him again.
Probably two different groups of people
Eye poke aside (which in my eyes arent exactly a two finger kungfu poke) he has done what many managers has done. Throws the player under the bus? Its his method and it serve him well over the years. Critizing manager? Tell me which manager hasnt.
Saf wasnt an angel himself.
I would say I'm getting close to backing him again but still remain on the fence. I never really reached the point of wanting him sacked though as that was and is ridiculous unless there's a full on implosion.
If we finish in the top 3 and show some unity and flair then I'm all for him staying another season, consistency would do us good as a club.
If we finish in the top 3 and show some unity and flair then I'm all for him staying another season, consistency would do us good as a club.
Thats his problem, every time we redeem ourselves in someway and claw our way back into contention Jose will do something to completely sabotage it and put us back to square one, whether thats publicly slating players & causing uproar behind the scenes / reverting back to playing that utter garbage 'hoof it' style of football / or pissing off the fans by comparing us to the likes of everton or watford.. Its anyones guess really.
How will your new found love for Jose handle it if we get heavily defeated vs City? 
Fecking hell this site is like RAWK nowadays
Fecking hell this site is like RAWK nowadays
Yep, wouldn't be surprised if he melts down again at some point.
Call me old-fashioned but the end goal is United doing well, right? Irrespective of what players/ manager are in place? The emphasis in here at the moment is all individual based. You're a Martial fanboy or a Jose hater or whatever. I think we've lost perspective a bit. You feel even a thrilling derby victory Sunday would leave a divided forum.
Where have the photoshop threads gone?
Love that picture
This could have been a classic
This from the Ronaldo Comments thread is pretty brilliant for starters.
If Jose can get through this season, he will enter a 4th season, which will be unprecedented for him.
What on Earth might happen in his 4th season? Does Jose, even know?
I remember, there was a time that people wanted Fergie to leave. This was in the noughties, I think (can't remember, for sure).
When Jose won the title with Madrid, is that when Pep went into a sabbatical and quit Barca?
Genuine question....not 100% sure of what happened.
I think that even during the Juventus game at OT, he moping.
He was probably thinking to himself that if he had Perisic, Willian, player X, player Y, then he would go toe to toe with Juve. He did mention after the match, that Juve's defenders are a class above and that they could write a book on how to defend. Basically, he was moping and feeling sorry for himself and merely hoping that we didn't concede too many goals.
Something changed though and when we went to Turin, he had absolute belief in the team.
The difference in attitudes was night and day.
I think that as the players are believing in themselves, so is Jose. And this has helped us push our performances higher.
And let's not forget that the awful start to the season was kicked off, when Woodward denied Jose's targets and simply did not manage him well. Woodward really should've been in close contact with Jose, throughout that period in the Summer, to ensure that his motivation/morale did not drop as low as it did.
In any case, that's all history. I like to think that our season is back on track and while we were never going to win the league with our current squad, I think Jose should be able to get top 4 with them. He is too good a manager not to.
Had a lot of time for him in the past, but he's aged horribly.
Now I tolerate him out of necessity.
Now I tolerate him out of necessity.
Brilliant face. The move that led up to Mata's curler was fantastic, great interchange. Jose set the team up well, excellent timed substitutions (So funny to see them trying to deal with Felli). But I was gutted after the match.
Went on to MUTV to hear Paddy Crerand's reaction to the winner. No Paddy!!
Went on to MUTV to hear Paddy Crerand's reaction to the winner. No Paddy!!
Love is a very strong word. Part of loving someone is to accept them for who they are. His moodiness is absolutely unacceptable as a representative of this club.
Nope, not true. He was at Chelsea for 4 seasons in his first stint, in his 4th season he was sacked in September.