There's a lot more to tactics than the minutiae of the initial formation.Boring Cnuts said:
"Negative Tactics" in Europe
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True. But formation is a hugely important part of tactics. Hence it is worthy of discussion. In a thread about tactics.
Obviously, if you find it all sooooooo boring, there's plenty of other threads for you to share your pearls of wisdom
Can't remember the group stages but fair enough, we were still a bit shit away from home last year, the results may have been good but performances were terrible
Don't remember us playing 433 in the away games last year, against the Arse it was Hargreaves and Anderson, the same against Liverpool, you maybe correct with us playing 433 against Chelsea but then that is the only one we lost
It's quite brilliant that you label people "boring cnuts" for talking tactics, while claiming that actually, they are ignoring a massive degree of the detail. Surely that would be even more boring than our discussion?
Good stuff.
My point is that you're not really talking about tactics, you're just talking about where the players stand at kick off. It's what they do after kick off that matters.True. But formation is a hugely important part of tactics. Hence it is worthy of discussion. In a thread about tactics.
Obviously, if you find it all sooooooo boring, there's plenty of other threads for you to share your pearls of wisdom
But formation is about much more than where players stand at kick-off. Surely you know that?
Regardless of whatever formation people think we did or didn't play last season, there is little doubt that we were more compact as a unit, and more difficult to break down.
Results were better, but of course that could have gone either way but for a moment here, or a moment there, that ultimately worked in our favour.
Still firmly believe though, that this time last season we looked a lot more like an outfit that were going to win the CL, than we do so far this season.
Results were better, but of course that could have gone either way but for a moment here, or a moment there, that ultimately worked in our favour.
Still firmly believe though, that this time last season we looked a lot more like an outfit that were going to win the CL, than we do so far this season.
But you could play 442 with 4 central midfielders, pack out the centre and smother the game, or play 442 with 2 good old fashioned wingers flying up and down, or 442 with the full backs sitting back or overlapping, or with both strikers pushing up, or one or both falling back, or for some spastic reason, both deciding to play on the wings. I'd argue all of these things make more difference than a change to 433.But formation is about much more than where players stand at kick-off. Surely you know that?
You could play any formation any way you want.
But when you're talking about a specific set of players, and a specific manager, the formation played is a pretty reliable indicator of the tactics likely to be employed.
Well it doesn't look like we're playing 4-4-2. Fergie has gone for a similar team to one that hammered Arsenal in the FA cup last year. I'm not a fan of Rooney as a lone forward but he was excellent that day and our midfield looks absolutely awesome with Carrick/Anderson/Fletcher as a central three and Nani and Ronaldo on the wings.
Does it get your seal of approval Pogue?
Does it get your seal of approval Pogue?
Nani playing wouldn't get M13's seal of approval, certainly not after seeing the QPR game, when he was playing Championship quality opposition.
I just have a feeling that this game, United going to be defensive ala against Barcelona last season.
It most certainly does.
Would be tempted to give Giggs the nod over Nani (IMO he's much more effective wide and a front three should mean he has less running to do) but yeah, very happy with the line-up. No doot aboot it.
And...
That'll do nicely
That'll do nicely
Hehe, Rooney isn't really as bad as I thought as a lone striker. Anywhere but right then.
Its quite a compliment when you play away in Europe and the opposition set up like they did tonight.
tbf villareal only needed a draw as well