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I’ve read a lot about this new format and I cannot get my head around it.
What are they doing?
What are they doing?
Or that. That fecking group setup is so shit. New format looks even worse.Should be:
1-2 play CL
2-4 play EL
Bring back the cup winners cup
Have a 3 team summer tournament for the super cup.
A big two would be a start.This will only replicate itself in Spain, Germany and Italy in twenty years time, where you will have a big six in each league.
I think giving a second chance to a big club which have contributed to the Champions League in seasons gone by isn't bad. I don't really understand the outrage anyway.But they were not injured, they were shit.
Poor Ilkay, has to play few more games to earn only 10 millions a year.
Here's who would have plausibly benefitted in recent seasons as I posted in another thread:
Useful to see. So it's simply another tweak to favour the 3 big leagues at the expense of everyone else. Over the years I've lost count of how many of these tweaks have been made to incrementally increase the wealth of the richest clubs. The accumulative impact of these changes is huge.Here's who would have plausibly benefitted in recent seasons as I posted in another thread:
CL 21/22: Liverpool (9th),Arsenal (10th), Dortmund (13th), Roma and Spurs (=14th) are as it stands not currently qualifying for the CL domestically, but are qualifying for another European competition
CL 20/21: Arsenal (11th) and Spurs (14th) [or Lyon (15th)]
CL 19/20: Sevilla (7th) and Arsenal (9th)
CL 18/19: Sevilla (6th) and Arsenal (9th)
CL 17/18: Arsenal (11th),Schalke (14th),Bayer Leverkusen (16th), and Shakhtar Donetsk (18th)
CL 16/17:Chelsea (5th),Valencia (12th),Schalke (13th), Zenit (15th) and Manchester United (20th)
Qualifying will be tweaked so its not quite accurate, but good enough to get an idea, but listed are clubs with the highest coefficient who did not qualify for the CL group stage through other means.Clubs struck throughwere excluded for not qualifying for any European competition, despite having a strong coefficient.
I know people like to lampoon Arsenal, but they will have earned this by consistently progressing in Europe. If anything this system should help ensure that all teams, just as Arsenal have, take the Europa League and the new Europa Conference League seriously, as you can qualify for the Champions League through strong, consistent European performances. The only change I would perhaps make is to limit the number of teams from a particular association that can qualify through this method to one. If that was the case, Lyon would have qualified instead of Spurs in 20/21. Changes may also be needed to how coefficients are earned in future.
To me at least, the potential interest in CL qualification is by seeing teams make it for the first time or on a rare occasion, and not in seeing one of the top teams in recent years missing out. This wouldn't take away from that.
It's not at the expense of others, because it is more spots and there are two additional spots still, one for the fifth association and one for another national champion. The proportion of teams from the 3 big leagues (which are England, Spain and Germany?) would only be slightly increased if they monopolise these two coefficient berths, but would actually be reduced if not.Useful to see. So it's simply another tweak to favour the 3 big leagues at the expense of everyone else. Over the years I've lost count of how many of these tweaks have been made to incrementally increase the wealth of the richest clubs. The accumulative impact of these changes is huge.
As your analysis showed, these spots will always be filled by the big leagues. The English league will always get an extra place through this method. And then they'll get more points as a result. And on the cycle will go.It's not at the expense of others, because it is more spots and there are two additional spots still, one for the fifth association and one for another national champion. The proportion of teams from the 3 big leagues (which are England, Spain and Germany?) would only be slightly increased if they monopolise these two coefficient berths, but would actually be reduced if not.
You would get the odd year when one of the big clubs from other leagues misses top four, but bottom line it would just straight up increase the slots for PL teams to 6 and not even for e.g. Leicester, but for Arsenal, because it's near impossible to actually lose that free spot, when you're playing CL football, while the other club misses out.It's not at the expense of others, because it is more spots and there are two additional spots still, one for the fifth association and one for another national champion. The proportion of teams from the 3 big leagues (which are England, Spain and Germany?) would only be slightly increased if they monopolise these two coefficient berths, but would actually be reduced if not.
There's plenty of sides who play in Europe every season, or every four years out of five at the very least. The vast majority of those have performed nowhere near as well as many of the sides in my posts. I know Arsenal are the object of much scorn and derision, but they are high in the European club coefficient rankings because they consistently find a way to qualify and perform reasonably well in European football.You would get the odd year when one of the big clubs from other leagues misses top four, but bottom line it would just straight up increase the slots for PL teams to 6 and not even for e.g. Leicester, but for Arsenal, because it's near impossible to actually lose that free spot, when you're playing CL football, while the other club misses out.
That still should not give them a guaranteed CL starting spot. At least that's the point many people seemed to be making when it came to ESL. Part of having an actual competition is that you can lose and that if you lose you suffer consequences.There's plenty of sides who play in Europe every season, or every four years out of five at the very least. The vast majority of those have performed nowhere near as well as many of the sides in my posts. I know Arsenal are the object of much scorn and derision, but they are high in the European club coefficient rankings because they consistently find a way to qualify and perform reasonably well in European football.
Oh poor thing he has to play a few more games of FOOTBALL for a living, in the arguably more complete squad in the world. STOP THIS ABUSE! poor them earning just a few millions a year to play a game.
He has a point though it won't just be City having to play the extra games. Wheres the room in the calendar for potentially an extra 6 games?Oh poor thing he has to play a few more games of FOOTBALL for a living, in the arguably more complete squad in the world. STOP THIS ABUSE! poor them earning just a few millions a year to play a game.
I think the new UCL format is awful, but hearing a City player complaining FFS is ridiculous. They have the depth to play those games and more.He has a point though it won't just be City having to play the extra games. Wheres the room in the calendar for potentially an extra 6 games?
I hear you mate they do have the squad to cope with it, but many/most teams won't. I don't think there's anything wrong with a footballer speaking up about it even if it probably won't affect him personally.I think the new UCL format is awful, but hearing a City player complaining FFS is ridiculous. They have the depth to play those games and more.
Agree, I just think it's cynical. Also I'm biased against City, feck em.I hear you mate they do have the squad to cope with it, but many/most teams won't. I don't think there's anything wrong with a footballer speaking up about it even if it probably won't affect him personally.
The Super League proposal earlier in the week would have been great for United, Chelsea, Liverpool, City, Arse and Spurs but it didn't stop ex-players and fans of those clubs coming out against it.
I'm with you on the feck City part. Guardiola had the cheek to talk about equality in football in his press conference earlier.Agree, I just think it's cynical. Also I'm biased against City, feck em.
Usual for him, I remember he said something about them not having money for players some time ago. As cynical as it can get.I'm with you on the feck City part. Guardiola had the cheek to talk about equality in football in his press conference earlier.
Extra few boring games perhaps gives us chance to play some squad palyers including lads form the academy which makes the quality go down another notch. WOuldn't we have a bigger chance to progress to knockout stage than last year in the "group of dead" though?just adds an extra few boring games to the league phase.
for the past decade it’s only been the last game of the group that has generally been interesting.
It’s only when the knockout phase kicks in, that it gets exciting.
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yesIt's a disgrace, particularly the wild card format.
A team could have a horrific domestic season, be out of Europe early and still get CL football, that just isn't right.
Pretty much, England were 3rd in the ranking In the 19/20 season where Liverpool were knocked out by Atleti in R16 and City lost to Lyon in the QFs.Basically the 5th placed gets the CL from EPL as long as Liverpool and City continues to perform well in CL knock out stages.
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Seems as though there may be a slight twist, with it being based on a league's performance.
Based on club coefficient: United and Roma would take the additional places in the CL.
Based on the new proposal it would be: Spurs or Arsenal (whoever finishes 5th) and Feyenord.
I think it's a better idea than their first one, even if I'm still yet to be sold on the new format.
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Seems as though there may be a slight twist, with it being based on a league's performance.
Based on club coefficient: United and Roma would take the additional places in the CL.
Based on the new proposal it would be: Spurs or Arsenal (whoever finishes 5th) and Feyenord.
I think it's a better idea than their first one, even if I'm still yet to be sold on the new format.