They did need something from the game, as now they're unseeded and will face a much tougher opponent in the Round of 16.Ajax aren't in the same bracket as CSKA or Brugge, & if Atletico needed anything from that game, I doubt it'd have ended a draw
New CL format in 2024?
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Me too. But this isn't doing it IMO. At the moment typically you have one shit team in group, and most groups have another team which the two top teams should defeat relatively easy.
With the new format you will have 2 shit teams, and 2 mediocre/okay teams. Essentially a top team would need to play 4 dead rubbers, and 4 matches against meh teams.
In order to improve quality, the solution would be to cut the number of teams, and especially those from non-top countries. Of course that would be unfair, and will only further "the rich gets richer" phenomenon.
I second this. With United being shit these days, I watch more basketball than football anyway so I am all for it.
This would have a crazy amount of dud games in some leagues.
I mean imagine any meetings between the bottom half after the half way point... would be pretty much pointless.
Unless the top 4 qualify or something, which would make for an awfully shit league.
I mean imagine any meetings between the bottom half after the half way point... would be pretty much pointless.
Unless the top 4 qualify or something, which would make for an awfully shit league.
Experts?
League one Wigan beat Man City in the FA Cup last season, & Championship Derby County beat us in this years league cup. These things happen in cups. Doesn't mean we want to play them in a league.
I really like the idea. Think it will be great. National leagues will need to compromise by being smaller though.
This will not work. There will be too many teams with nothing to play for in the second part of the group stage. Those teams will decide to rest players for domestic competition and make the qualification to the next round even more controversial.
I always find comments like these either come from people outside Europe or supporters of second tier & below leagues. Why should we wreck our leagues, particularly Premiership & La Liga, so the elite can play in leagues full of crap teams.
They get paid a lot of money to come up with these ideas, the lucky bastards.Well, many "second tier" leagues and teams weren't always second tier. A change like this would do wonders for a huge array of teams who have become financially obsolete and can't play any decent player older than 20 years old for more than a season. You may find excellent that the 20th placed Premier League team has more money than the champions of Portugal or Netherlands, but the majority of European football fans aren't British and don't support British teams.
I don't know how people find a more cosmopolitan and diverse competitive background for football a bad thing, but hey, to each its own. Stronger Benficas, Red Stars, Italian teams, Ajaxes, etc... A terrible thing.
If it happened and it worked out most people would come around to it. People are just averse to change. I'm sure same was said when the EC changed its format yet not many want to go back to a EC where the champion faces one or two teams at their level to be crowned.
When did everybody start ignoring scarcity value?
Serious money, coefficients for future seedings, etc. There's a few good ways to make games relevant. Half the Premiership teams and two thirds of the teams in La Liga play for theoretically nothing.
I agree that many of these sides were once big teams, & it wouldn't be a bad thing if they could be successful again. What I & others don't agree with is wrecking our leagues to make this happen. The English league is the best league system in the world, with thousands of teams playing a multitude of levels, & although I am a Man Utd fan, that is bigger than a few elite clubs in this country. Don't these leagues & teams have a right to be stronger as well.
But tournament padders have their purpose. Firstly, their fans get to go away and watch them play big teams. Secondly, there is always the thrill of a minnow upsetting a giant. Thirdly, they contribute to the excitement of groups. Likes of CSKA might make a group tighter and more exciting by taking points off other teams.
Current format and timings are fine, don't mess with it. Midnight in Asia is perfect as well, allows me to get some sleep before waking up reasonably late in the morning, whereas early morning timings would require me getting up earlier. My sleep cycle is tuned more to the former.
Atletico was in full strength as they needed a win to head the group. They didn't and face the likes of Barcelona, City... in the next round.Ajax aren't in the same bracket as CSKA or Brugge, & if Atletico needed anything from that game, I doubt it'd have ended a draw
And this is exactly what I'm trying to say. People outside Spain, Germany and England would rather see a local club play Barcelona than a 7th time Atletico - Tottenham in a row, I'm pretty sure of that.
This big club mentality is the problem in modern football. Make the big clubs richer and the small clubs poorer. It's only been 25 years that teams from Holland, France, Portugal, Romania, Belgium, Sweden... were winning Europa/Uefa Cups. I'd rather go back to those days, but it seems I'm one of the few
It was a pub lunch thing.
Why do they always want to change something that's not broken?! Greedy bastards, all they see is money.
This, along with the proposal for a sort of second tier Europa League, just looks like another attempt by UEFA to establish its competitions as the norm rather than domestic leagues. It's a step towards a European super league and an assault on domestic competitions. I hope it gets short shrift.
Rummenigge is not head of the ECA anymore but Agnelli. And no - it is not of interest for Bayern as they can attract their fans that as an average live 200 km away from Munich for international matches on Wednesday - but that will not happen if it is Hoffenheim or a lot of the other German clubs.
Assuming they go straight to two-legged quarter finals from the group stage, max number of games would go from 13 to 19, and the minimum number of games will go from 6 to 14, for pre-qualified games.
It's too many games. United currently have 46 to 62 games in a season, depending on cup competition success. This would take it to 54 to 68 games.
Factor in that 41 of 60 players from top clubs 6 PL clubs that made it into the World Cup knockout stages have been injured so far this season (numbers from Nov 24), because they had no break over the summer, I think adding even more games is unfeasible, and I don't see why domestic leagues would accommodate this. At least not the bigger leagues. According to the bild article, the german football league had been informed of the suggested format, and did not agree with it.
It's too many games. United currently have 46 to 62 games in a season, depending on cup competition success. This would take it to 54 to 68 games.
Factor in that 41 of 60 players from top clubs 6 PL clubs that made it into the World Cup knockout stages have been injured so far this season (numbers from Nov 24), because they had no break over the summer, I think adding even more games is unfeasible, and I don't see why domestic leagues would accommodate this. At least not the bigger leagues. According to the bild article, the german football league had been informed of the suggested format, and did not agree with it.
1-5 games in EFL Cup.
1-6 games in the FA Cup.
6-13 games in the Champions League > 14-19 with the new format
38 Premier League games.
Did not count the super cups, but that would add 3-4 for a league & CL champion team. (1 Community Shield, 1 UEFA Super Cup, 1-2 FIFA World Club Cup)
1-6 games in the FA Cup.
6-13 games in the Champions League > 14-19 with the new format
38 Premier League games.
Did not count the super cups, but that would add 3-4 for a league & CL champion team. (1 Community Shield, 1 UEFA Super Cup, 1-2 FIFA World Club Cup)
Fek the greedy bastards.
Uefa: the unflushable turds. Just go away please...
Why would national FAs agree to that and reduce their league attendances across the board to allow CL to be played on weekends ?
Why would national FAs agree to that and reduce their league attendances across the board to allow CL to be played on weekends ?
I think the larger groups is interesting. The current group format is stale.
4 groups of 8.
Every team plays 7 games in total.
Home and Away six nations style(could assign the really bad sides with the extra home game).
4 go through. 4 go out.
More diverse set of fixtures in the groups.
If you join the current groups together you end up with
AB
Dortmund
Atletico
Brugge
Monaco
Barcelona
Spurs
Inter
Psv
CD
PSG
Liverpool
Napoli
Belgrade
Porto
Schalke
Galatasary
Moscow
EF
Bayern
Ajax
Benfica
Athens
City
Lyon
Plzen
Moscow
GH
Madrid
Roma
Plzen
Moscow
Juve
United
Valencia
Young Boys
To be honest when you see the teams led out like that it looks a bit shit. But I think dropping the home/away and playing a greater number of teams is more interesting.
4 groups of 8.
Every team plays 7 games in total.
Home and Away six nations style(could assign the really bad sides with the extra home game).
4 go through. 4 go out.
More diverse set of fixtures in the groups.
If you join the current groups together you end up with
AB
Dortmund
Atletico
Brugge
Monaco
Barcelona
Spurs
Inter
Psv
CD
PSG
Liverpool
Napoli
Belgrade
Porto
Schalke
Galatasary
Moscow
EF
Bayern
Ajax
Benfica
Athens
City
Lyon
Plzen
Moscow
GH
Madrid
Roma
Plzen
Moscow
Juve
United
Valencia
Young Boys
To be honest when you see the teams led out like that it looks a bit shit. But I think dropping the home/away and playing a greater number of teams is more interesting.
Classic strategy of leaking the really unpalatable idea and then shortly presenting a slightly less offensive but still highly unprincipled idea that sounds reasonable in comparison.
Though I myself am from the Asian market and yes, especially during daylight saving periods, watching the UCL can be a real pain with having work the next morning (it's 1am here), I wouldn't ever give up watching the EPL and BL on a nice Saturday/Sunday night with dinner to watch the UCL.
The UCL has a special occasion to it, so that's something I can keep myself awake for to watch. For EPL/BL, most are inconsequential and therefore people might skip a few for the hassle of having to stay late at night. I am presuming that they will shift the timings of matches to the night so that the locals can watch after work.
Absolutely insane idea, sacrificing the local support for international fans. Don't support it.
The UCL has a special occasion to it, so that's something I can keep myself awake for to watch. For EPL/BL, most are inconsequential and therefore people might skip a few for the hassle of having to stay late at night. I am presuming that they will shift the timings of matches to the night so that the locals can watch after work.
Absolutely insane idea, sacrificing the local support for international fans. Don't support it.
UEFA/FIFA don't give a feck. They sold out football fans around the world with assigning the World Cup to Qatar few years ago.
Was thinking that myself too.
There are ways to change or twirl it without going completely crazy. But money > everything else, so of course the change will be quite unpleasant
CL is the best competition in football by far, much more entertaining than EPL.
Nobosy cares to see club brugge or teams like that in UCL. Only fans of those teams care. I'm confident games of 2 big teams in a game is much more interesting than big team owning a small club. People only going to tune in if the game is actually still competitive in the 2nd half
Yeah feck this jacked up mentalityCL is the best competition in football by far, much more entertaining than EPL.
Nobosy cares to see club brugge or teams like that in UCL. Only fans of those teams care. I'm confident games of 2 big teams in a game is much more interesting than big team owning a small club. People only going to tune in if the game is actually still competitive in the 2nd half
Guess this is where we're heading. Don't care to see Brügge, don't care to see Bournemouth. Your club is having a shit seasom? Stop watching the matches. Let's just watch 10 elite clubs playing each other again and again. And some, like myself, are naive enough to hope someone, some day, will want to do something to stop the increasing gap between the elite and the rest to see clubs like Ajax having a chance to win something big again. I care less and less about CL every year to be honest.
Would much prefer it if they reintroduced a true Champions League with the winners from say the top ranked 7 european leagues + europa league winner, you can throw all them all in an 8 team league so they all play a minimum 14 games which whould all be giant v giant, then have semis of 1st v 4 thand 2nd v 3rd and a final, so max 17 games which is only a couple more than current CL.
And then the Europa League would include all the teams who were 2-4th in the big leagues, and actually become a watchable competition that isn't ridiculed.
And then the Europa League would include all the teams who were 2-4th in the big leagues, and actually become a watchable competition that isn't ridiculed.
I can already hear Jose moaning about the fixture congestion and how being in the Europa league would help solve this.
This proposal would massively help the likes of ajax actually. It's the cardiff, huesca and frosinone who'd get shafted
This would be great. Better chance for smaller teams to get further (if Brugge plays against YB Bern for example) and also more interesting pairings directly after the group stage.
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