New Stadium | 100k Stadium to be built - design visualisation released

[Giggsy PO]

Still way behind this fast moving thread. So is it common that the owners of a sports club would release a number of variants of their propposed new stadium and fans (???) would have a poll, deciding a winner, or what do you like mate. Pretty sure INEOS had worked on number of designs and this one went the distance amongst the voice of proffesionalls in this field.

Do you like it? Im sure you do from the inside. There is a plaza around the ground never seen in UK before. Agree from the outside it looks too bold and ambitious to pull it off. But its so unique that we at least should give it a time before finally render it bad.

I think it went pretty quickly from deliberation whether to A) renovate Old Trafford or B) build a new stadium to... we are building a new stadium and this is the design.

I agree the decisive voice should be provided by professionals in the field. We, the fans, can give only opinions in the category I like it or do not.

Having said that I think for the construction of this magnitude, importance and cost I would prefer a slower approach. INEOS could say, at minimum, these were the designs and we selected this one for the following reasons.

I am not saying we should have repeated this step by step (certainly not start with 5000+ designs by wannabe architects) but I expected something like this:

While Libeskind's overall design for the World Trade Center's replacement suggested where the memorial would go, there was a separate competition for the design of that memorial, which began last August. It included a public hearing, the drawing up of a mission statement, the selection of a "jury" of 13, and then an open competition that, officials say, was the largest of its kind in history.

 

[DannyCAFC]

Has there been any explanation as to what the UFO looking thing halfway up the western point of the 'trident' is?

I don't believe so. But most likely this:

SJR will sit up in that ivory tower like a Roman emperor and give the thumbs up or down to players and coaches in his new coliseum

 

[next_number_seven]

How accurate is this proposal by the way? Or is it still just concepts? Its really interesting to see the layout relative to the current roads. If some of those blocks around the stadium are housing then it'll really tie the room area together. The railway road end of Gorse Hill has always felt cut off from the rest of it, if they build houses in that block of land around the stadium then it might finally feel linked up.

The area around the stadium is pretty horrible right now.

 

[next_number_seven]

Does anyone know why the stadium is being built partially underground? 17m or so I think.

I know the Nou Camp is built like this.

Is there a specific reason for this?

 

[Isotope]

More look like 3 giant circumcised cocks ready for some action.

 

[DannyCAFC]

Does anyone know why the stadium is being built partially underground? 17m or so I think.

I know the Nou Camp is built like this.

Is there a specific reason for this?

I wonder if it's to do with build-height limitations. The SoFi Stadium is like this (which they will have toured I'm sure when putting plans together) I believe because if it was built at ground level the tallest points would technically invade the airspace around LAX. I don't think this will be quite as close to an airport but it might be a similar reason given those tall tridents.

I think the Nou Camp is for acoustic reasons to keep more of the sound in the stadium so could also be that as they mentioned that a few times in all the promo stuff.

 

[diarm]

More look like 3 giant cocks ready for some action.

I'll be honest, if you take away the trident - the walkway looks more like a giant cock. That area covering the steps to the underground is like the bellend.

 

[Spoony]

I wonder if it's to do with build-height limitations. The SoFi Stadium is like this (which they will have toured I'm sure when putting plans together) I believe because if it was built at ground level the tallest points would technically invade the airspace around LAX. I don't think this will be quite as close to an airport but it might be a similar reason given those tall tridents.

I think the Nou Camp is for acoustic reasons to keep more of the sound in the stadium so could also be that as they mentioned that a few times in all the promo stuff.

There are no height restrictions in Manchester, perhaps this is the only way a modern 100k stadium can be constructed.

 

[Isotope]

I'll be honest, if you take away the trident - the walkway looks more like a giant cock. That area covering the steps to the underground is like the bellend.

That first picture in OP. It does look like it.

 

[tomaldinho1]

I didn't really associate Man Utd with the trident though . So it feels weird to theme a stadium around it. It doesn't symbolise the club or city really.

I don't call them the red devils either though.

I think they should've latched onto something else really and themed the stadium around that.

Like "Theatre of Dreams" maybe.
Or "Reinvention" maybe as a theme of the city and club.

Should have made it a giant hive given the city's symbol is the worker bee, called the 'honey trap'. This oozes class. Imagine the atmosphere, absolutely buzzing.

 

[diarm]

That first picture in OP. It does look like it.

Our new throbbing great stadium, ready to ride the holes off the rest of the league again. As god intended.

 

[Red in STL]

Nobody actually lives on the land required to regenerate though?

Nobody wanted to live in Salford Quays once upon a time, look at it now

 

[Havak]

Does anyone know why the stadium is being built partially underground? 17m or so I think.

I know the Nou Camp is built like this.

Is there a specific reason for this?

The main reason is space.

If you dig down you can add extra tiers of seating within the same overall footprint. If you want to add more seating without digging underground, the overall radius of the stadium can increase massively. This can create issues obviously, the main one being that the space actually isn't available (you don't own it and have to buy it, or it just isn't possible for reasons such as a canal or trainlines which we've seen on our plot). It could also potentially limit what other things you can achieve in the surrounding areas of the stadium - the tent approach is a good indicator of this and what they're looking to achieve.

Other things may include something like atmosphere through steeper slopes and getting fans closer to the pitch, or some height restrictions in certain areas.

 

[jojojo]

Does anyone know why the stadium is being built partially underground? 17m or so I think.

I know the Nou Camp is built like this.

Is there a specific reason for this?

Lots of reasons. It's cheaper to dig that build upwards. It can avoid some issues with flight paths or similar planning constraints. It can help with acoustics.

Access for wheelchair users can be easier to design in. It lets you create service tunnels and concourses in the space where the walkways are above at ground level - keeping the overall visible footprint of the stadium but giving it more sprawl space.

I'm guessing one of the most visible signs that something's happening is that we'll see more machines making bore holes and using instruments to look at what they'll be digging into and how deep do the foundations need to go.

 

[Ubik]

I didn't really associate Man Utd with the trident though . So it feels weird to theme a stadium around it. It doesn't symbolise the club or city really.

I don't call them the red devils either though.

I think they should've latched onto something else really and themed the stadium around that.

Like "Theatre of Dreams" maybe.
Or "Reinvention" maybe as a theme of the city and club.

I think they've basically said the spiky tent was already being done, and they only clocked the trident thing later on and tweaked it a bit. Foster apparently just has a thing for spiky tents.

 

[Bright_Eyes]

I’m not sure it’s petty but more of a small margins and large gains type of thing. A lot of football dressing rooms over the years were developed so away teams had things against them. Like, non working showers, rooms designed in a ‘L’ shape so half the players couldn’t see each other, therefore losing togetherness. Ferguson himself specified on ‘small wins’ to gain advantages, e.g he told his players to surround the referee when decisions went against us.

Liverpool fans having a good time at our ground does disgust me. Not them as people, I have many friends who are Liverpool fans and in the pub after I have no problems with them. But I don’t want them to enjoy their visit to our stadium and I don’t think it’s too inhumane to give away fans a shitty end of the deal, where they have basic but not unsatisfactory facilities.
I’ve been to enough away grounds myself to know how it feels to be going to a stadium where the experience isn’t nice, St James’ park and Elland Road to name a couple and it’s a little ‘one up’ for them before you’ve even arrived at the ground, so although you personally, may see it as petty, and it may only gain us 3 points a season, a total of 2 or less points has been the difference between 1st and 2nd, in 10 seasons in the premier league.

I don't see how the same applies to fans. It's not like they're gonna support their team any less because their facilities are more basic.

 

[Red in STL]

I didn't really associate Man Utd with the trident though . So it feels weird to theme a stadium around it. It doesn't symbolise the club or city really.

I don't call them the red devils either though.

I think they should've latched onto something else really and themed the stadium around that.

Like "Theatre of Dreams" maybe.
Or "Reinvention" maybe as a theme of the city and club.

Every crest that's been used on shirts since they were first used has had a devli holding a trident on it, so it really does symbolise the team, the crest also has a ship on it, as does City's, that symbolises Manchester as a ship is part of the Mancehster crest, and doubly appropriate for United given the OT location

 

[Red in STL]

Okay so let’s say it is. Would you be against being so to win the league? I certainly wouldn’t. Ferguson was extremely petty throughout his whole career, more so than anyone.
I’m not sure why you are so hung up on petty behaviour being such an abominable crime anyway. In a world where Arsenal have been labelled as cheats on the pitch, City are called cheats off it and Chelsea being called ‘Oil club’ There’s a lot worse things to be called than petty.
You’ll never win anything playing nice.

There's a difference between what the managers etc do and the way the paying customer should be treated

I'm fine with the shenenigans by the managersand such like, but treating away fans like shit for supporting their team is petty, we don't and shouldn't need to do that

 

[Big Andy]

Lots of reasons. It's cheaper to dig that build upwards. It can avoid some issues with flight paths or similar planning constraints. It can help with acoustics.

Access for wheelchair users can be easier to design in. It lets you create service tunnels and concourses in the space where the walkways are above at ground level - keeping the overall visible footprint of the stadium but giving it more sprawl space.

I'm guessing one of the most visible signs that something's happening is that we'll see more machines making bore holes and using instruments to look at what they'll be digging into and how deep do the foundations need to go.

I'm guessing a shit load of contaminated land under the freightline bit, god knows what's been spilled there over the years and seeped into the ground.

 

[Big Andy]

Every crest that's been used on shirts since they were first used has had a devli holding a trident on it, so it really does symbolise the team, the crest also has a ship on it, as does City's, that symbolises Manchester as a ship is part of the Mancehster crest, and doubly appropriate for United given the OT location

Should've gone for something ship related, a giant 100,000 seater pirate ship.

 

[Bright_Eyes]

Norman Foster is a big fan of tents. He has been developing tent structure building technogoly for decades. Here is the biggest tent building in the world, Khan Shatyr (King's Tent) Mall in our capital Astana.

Designed by Foster+Partners. Source: Foster + Partners website

Not a huge fan of the aesthetic of his designs and still unsure about the tent vibe of the new stadium, but I do really appreciate that it's something different and ambitious and much prefer something like that than something boring and samey

 

[next_number_seven]

Every crest that's been used on shirts since they were first used has had a devli holding a trident on it, so it really does symbolise the team, the crest also has a ship on it, as does City's, that symbolises Manchester as a ship is part of the Mancehster crest, and doubly appropriate for United given the OT location

I think I would've shaped the canopy like the sails on a ship since it symbolises the club and the city.

I guess the ship represents the inland port of Manchester.

If you look at older crests, it's always had the ship. The red devils was stolen from Salford rugby club.

Although we'd get "sinking ship" jibes then I suppose.

Anyway, just my opinion.

I like the overall vision such as 100,000 capacity and regeneration of the area.

I like the canopy also as it's more inviting and encourages people to spend more time there and money I guess.

I'd have liked to renovate the old stadium but I think we're better starting from scratch in a new position as the railway causes too many problems that can't be solved.

 

[Avero]

The poll is suprisingly positive. More than 65% like/love it and only 11% dislike/hate it.

 

[next_number_seven]

The red devil only appeared on the crest in 1973 but the ship was on the crest since 1902.

I think I'd prefer that. They could have a "birds nest" viewing platform with a bar/restaurant.

 

[Gavinb33]

Should've gone for something ship related, a giant 100,000 seater pirate ship.

Like the Tampa Bay stadium then

 

[Crimson King]

The red devil only appeared on the crest in 1973 but the ship was on the crest since 1902.

I think I'd prefer that. They could have a "birds nest" viewing platform with a bar/restaurant.

We're not known the world over as the 'Red Ships' though, are we?

 

[Ahmer Baig]

Oh yeah, you can really see the trident now you’ve superimposed a trident on the picture.

Not me. Found this on internet. Haha

 

[Crimson King]

More look like 3 giant circumcised cocks ready for some action.

If you see 3 cocks then I think that says a lot more about you

 

[next_number_seven]

Salford, Manchester and Man United all have a ship on their crest/coat of arms.

I would've shaped the canopy like a ship to represent the club.

 

[Plant0x84]

The poll is suprisingly positive. More than 65% like/love it and only 11% dislike/hate it.

We’ve been hacked!

 

[TheLord]

That picture, if remotely close to the actual final design, doesn't resonate one bit with the history of the club, what it stands for, or the city for that matter.

 

[next_number_seven]

We're not known the world over as the 'Red Ships' though, are we?

No but a trident doesn't symbolise the club either.

I guess it could symbolise the treble and the trinity of Charlton, Law and Best.

 

[next_number_seven]

That picture, if remotely close to the actual final design, doesn't resonate one bit with the history of the club, what it stands for, or the city for that matter.

Exactly.
I feel they've focused the design on something which doesn't really represent the club or city.

What does the city of Manchester and Man Utd mean or symbolise to people?

 

[Ollie Derbyshire]

Has there been any explanation as to what the UFO looking thing halfway up the western point of the 'trident' is?

I heard it is a 360 viewing platform which I guess you’ll be able to go up for a cost obviously.

 

[Kinsella]

Here’s the opinion we all needed to hear…

 

[Ubik]

Exactly.
I feel they've focused the design on something which doesn't really represent the club or city.

What does the city of Manchester and Man Utd mean or symbolise to people?

Well tbh when I think of United I don't immediately think "ships!" either. It's a football stadium in the end.

 

[LawCharltonBest]

Here’s the opinion we all needed to hear…

He’s “flabbergasted”

Won’t the revenue from the extra seats effectively pay off the cost of the stadium build within a few years?

 

[Big Andy]

Here’s the opinion we all needed to hear…

Good job he's not a Manchester United fan then, bitter old soak.

 

[next_number_seven]

Well tbh when I think of United I don't immediately think "ships!" either. It's a football stadium in the end.

We neither.

I guess in terms of Man United and the city of Manchester, I think of invention and reinvention, creativity, youth, energy, flair.

I mean I think in terms of the industrial revolution, Busby babes, Munich disaster and the recovery thereafter, post-industrial recovery of the city, Fergie rebuilding the club and building new teams centered on youth, the musical history is world famous also etc...

I'm not sure how you symbolise all that though.

 

[AndySmith1990]

Here’s the opinion we all needed to hear…

I'm pleased he's shared his honest and unbiased opinion on the matter