IMO that's too close to the freight terminal, turn it clockwise a bit and move it up looks more doable
New Stadium or Revamp Old Trafford
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The land behind the stadium is huge, if you look at the diagram beneath where it says new stadium all those train lines are disused, the only active line is a double line that parallels the houses pulling away from the land, this land is accessed from the north west of the diagram via trafford Park which is an infrastructure designed for hgvs it would all fit perfectly as this would probably speed up the building process, the space it does lend itself to a new stadium and everything else required with the exception of good travel infrastructure, you would struggle to find a piece of land big enough anywhere else remotely close with the added bonus of its practically a blank canvas once the shipping containers are removed. If you look at the land that was used by Neville for Hotel Football it's remarkable what can be done. I'm not actually in support of building a new stadium, I prefer to keep what we have, i believe it is fixable.
I'm not sure that's true. I think they are used by freight trains and that's why the containers are there in the first place.
Yes that's correct, what I'm getting at is the old train network that was part of Trafford Park is no longer operational, the freight lines that run on this would become obsolete without the cargo yard as it no longer connects to the rest of the park, unless they serve another purpose or maybe its earmarked for something or protected
Which is over the freight terminal....which is why people keep going over where would the new stadium go......
And can United build over the freight terminal?
Plus that footprint looks pretty small for a state of the art 80-90,000 seater stadium. Especially one that will allow each fan more room than the 75,000 seater OT currently does.
Central jumbo-tron above the pitch as part of a new roof then everyone can see it!
Make it all swoops and swish looking like the SoFi stadium.
But it's now a terminus where the freight containers are unloaded from the trains and from there it's distributed by lorries, as far as I can see. Not sure whether the logistics of that means they have a long lease and it can't simply be taken over by the club at short notice.
I honestly don't know, my only input is to say it's a huge piece of land, big enough for a stadium and more. In terms of leases etc who knows, in an earlier post I suggested utd bought the land to protect themselves from someone else buying it, this is probably all it is, it'll more than likely end up being swanky flats for twats like everywhere else.
Agreed. And build it in London so us southern lot don't have to spend so many hours going up and down.
Someone? Anyone?
United bought the land for security purposes and knowing the Glazer's as something to make money out of, (which they do) the freight terminal has a lease that expires long after most of us in the CAF will be dead, there is zero chance of it going away
I was interested so did a bit of digging into this, the lease is long indeed, it lasts until 2071. But interestingly it's seems like it's actually United that are leasing the land. If I'm reading the document below correctly then United don't even own the land. It's on page 55/56 of this document.
https://ir.manutd.com/~/media/Files/M/Manutd-IR/documents/2021-mu-plc-form-20-f.pdf
So if I'm right and the club are only leasing the land then I don’t think there'll be a multi billion pound stadium being built on part of it any time soon.
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Interesting, so I wonder why an official club document from 2021 says the land is only leased?
Also from the MEN:
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/business/property/united-scoring-in-property-market-918142
https://www.placenorthwest.co.uk/security-fears-prompt-man-utd-to-buy-industrial-estate/
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You mean being a ST Holder since the 1980's won't cut it with all the newbies? ;-)
Not even if you've written books on the subject.
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He ain’t fecking about
"Wembley of the North" the way it's phrased just makes me think of GOT
Jimmy is a heavyweight
I hope the government do not provide any of the funds for the redevelopment of Old Trafford. There are far more important things for them to be spending money on. United already waste an unreal amount on ridiculous salaries for very ordinary players and transfer fees that only make sense to Ten Hag and the person signing the cheque.
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He's not. But then, at 71, I guess he needs to get things done quickly if he's going to sort out this mess and be around to see any reward!
Was in the camp of redevelop OT but changed my mind, club will be able to generate a lot more money with a new stadium and I don't mean from ticket sales.
Yeah I'd rather the government send the money overseas rather than invest in our own country.
Potentially building a new stadium and getting the government to help fund it? I'm dreaming
Old Trafford renovation. I couldn't care less about a fancy new stadium. Home is home. The memories and the feelings that come with it far exceed the superficial stuff that comes with a new stadium. But that's my fan perspective, which is worthless when we're talking about someone else's business.
The post you responded to and answers of that ilk are just daft. The level of investment and job creation a redevelopment of OT could bring to Manchester and the region has the potential to far outweigh an initial capital contribution. Adding 10-20k to a matchday crowd would be a massive injection to local, and as a result more national, coffers.
Whatever the benefits it should be for the extremely rich owners to fund their own expansion. Not taxpayers.
Ideally, I'd have preferred to stay at Old Trafford and try to upgrade it sufficiently. Although terms like 'history and tradition' have developed negative connotations in most things English these days, it would still be ideal for me if any future success was achieved in the same ground as witnessed the Busby and Ferguson legacies. That's history and tradition to be proud of and it would be lovely to see continue for a long while yet.
However, I guess realism is that it's proving difficult / impossible to stay there and to build the kind of 'modern and impressive' stadium that other teams are doing and that we've fallen behind in that respect. So if it's decided that we do have to move then, as gets repeated often about Tottenham's new stadium, building one pretty much where the old one was helps keep the 'old feel' alive to some extent while also building something very modern and impressive.
So very sad to see if they do end up knocking down Old Trafford and building a new one, but if they can manage to build it very close by and it's up there with the other new elite grounds then I can understand why they'd choose that option and there'd hopefully be plenty of benefits to it long term - but an absolute huge negative that there's no going back from.
However, I guess realism is that it's proving difficult / impossible to stay there and to build the kind of 'modern and impressive' stadium that other teams are doing and that we've fallen behind in that respect. So if it's decided that we do have to move then, as gets repeated often about Tottenham's new stadium, building one pretty much where the old one was helps keep the 'old feel' alive to some extent while also building something very modern and impressive.
So very sad to see if they do end up knocking down Old Trafford and building a new one, but if they can manage to build it very close by and it's up there with the other new elite grounds then I can understand why they'd choose that option and there'd hopefully be plenty of benefits to it long term - but an absolute huge negative that there's no going back from.
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I previously was in favour of expanding OT. However, I went to the Spurs stadium last week and I have changed my mind. Its unbelievable what they have done there.
The stadium opens 3 hours before kick off, fans meet there get great food and drink inside stadium. They then meet in the stadium afterwards to drink more and enjoy the facilities. They've created a destination for fans to stay for hours and spend money. Everything about it is mindblowing.
We could create something bigger and better. The Spurs stadium is the blueprint.
The stadium opens 3 hours before kick off, fans meet there get great food and drink inside stadium. They then meet in the stadium afterwards to drink more and enjoy the facilities. They've created a destination for fans to stay for hours and spend money. Everything about it is mindblowing.
We could create something bigger and better. The Spurs stadium is the blueprint.
Basically this. It's sad of course, but I voted for a new stadium and I still think a new stadium is the best way to move forward as a club as a whole.
I'd imagine this is exactly what we'll want to do.
In an ideal world you are correct, just out if interest - not being sarcastic - how many stadium developments have been funded solely by an owner/club? Is there precedence for it?
Heart says rebuild but the smart choice is probably new stadium in the same site tbh