I agree.
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It works at Real because the ego there is off the charts. But that respect only gets your foot through the door, it doesn't last and if you cannot back it up with credible managerial ability or tactical acumen, then it doesn't matter how good a player you were.
I wonder if Arterta would fancy Jack or give him that contract considering what Peps opinion on Jack was/in.
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I can see where @Harry190 is coming from.
But I suppose it's all within the umbrella of ''just another excuse for the players'' if you like.
Inexperienced new boss or someone who can't show any medals, they'll just hide behind anything if they have to. Likewise the owners if they can pull it off too.
Not sure you can say ex player multi-winner X is a surefire success though, that's not come in a fair few times historically.
But I suppose it's all within the umbrella of ''just another excuse for the players'' if you like.
Inexperienced new boss or someone who can't show any medals, they'll just hide behind anything if they have to. Likewise the owners if they can pull it off too.
Not sure you can say ex player multi-winner X is a surefire success though, that's not come in a fair few times historically.
£50 million plus sales isn’t going to get them moving up the table. They need a lot of work and already look like they’ve fallen behind the other top six clubs.
Agree, you'd think being in the Europa, you'd need to pay a premium as well to get top talent. If that £50m figure is true, Arsenal will need a fantastic manager or Dortmund-esque scouts to start fighting for the top 4 positions again.
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Would be fun if he takes Moyes as his asisstant.
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IF Arteta is confirmed, that’s either a very bold choice by Arsenal, or their ability to attract a top manager was a catastrophe. Guess we’ll see.
Done deal then. All pieces fit into place.
I went to school with Lewin's nephew. Don't know why I said that, but yeah..
Did you start showing signs of injury proneness around that period?
It's a risky appointment but I'm not completely against it. Arteta was an incredibly smart player and it seems like Pep, Wenger and Gazidis all strongly value his brain and rate his coaching potential.
What does alarm me is rushing his progression like this. Pep and Zidane ran the B-teams before taking the top jobs - surely that's a vital learning curve before moving becoming a Premier League manager. Are there any examples of players becoming top-level managers right away, without working their way up to some degree?
What does alarm me is rushing his progression like this. Pep and Zidane ran the B-teams before taking the top jobs - surely that's a vital learning curve before moving becoming a Premier League manager. Are there any examples of players becoming top-level managers right away, without working their way up to some degree?
that have been any good... and are recent-ish
Mark Hughes (immediate start with Wales) George Graham & O'Leary if you stretch it a bit
but what about, Terry Venables - started at old 3rd Division with Crystal Palace but immediately got them promoted twice which is top managing & therefore makes him a top manager straightaway doesn't it?
Dalglish ?
plenty of really bad ones
edit - Klinsmann
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I'd argue that prior to Guardiola's success at Barcelona, appointing a manager who had "only" run the B-team would be considered a very foolish decision. That kind of experience was not considered "vital" back then. Guardiola and Zidane are trailblazers in that regards, but it rubbishs the notion that candidates of a certain profile are more likely to succeed at their job. For every rule there are exceptions to the rule.
Arteta is no guarantee of success. Neither is anyone else though. It's surely up to the board to assemble the right team (coach + "front office" + adminstrative personnel) to maximize the resources available to them. Until one has insight into their decision process then it's shortsighted to bash appointments based on their resume.
Strange appointment. It's as if they decided to be mediocre.
Arteta is bang on the money about Arsenal's medical department. They are utter shite and players turn from reliable to injury prone at the club.
Wilshere played his first proper season of football at Bournemouth as if his ankle was normal. Welbeck was injury free for 3 seasons of regular football at United, then turned into a crock at Arsenal.
Arsenal fans are always talking about an injured player that was very good for them but got injured at key moments which fecked them over.
Wilshere played his first proper season of football at Bournemouth as if his ankle was normal. Welbeck was injury free for 3 seasons of regular football at United, then turned into a crock at Arsenal.
Arsenal fans are always talking about an injured player that was very good for them but got injured at key moments which fecked them over.
In my opinion, you need a proven, successful name to follow someone like Wenger for a multitude of reasons. Primarily, if things don't start well, you can point to a proven track record of success to alleviate any fear / doubts. If things start poorly for someone like Arteta, it's panic stations.
I have a hard time believing they have a 50m pre-sales budget. Maybe they said that to have better negotiation positions, whatever.
Del Bosque Capello appointment says hello.
It's about knowing the club inside out and gets real involvement in some level (which makes no sense for Giggs to stick with being LVG's henchmen when there is clear philosophy clash, instead of honing his skill at even lower level).
Again in this case, Arteta hasn't shown he can independently run a team. There is very little known about his capacity as a coach.
I found it ought that no one give Rafa Benitez a chance. He is so good at bringing the best out of the existing players, big on formation and structure. That is exactly what Arsenal needs at the moment.
It’s £50m plus sales.
They do need to sell some of their dross. Also they spent over £100m in the last year on strikers. Not like they haven’t been spending.
I obviously have no stake in this but, I think this will work out. From all reports it seems like he has a clear idea about how he wants his side to play. He will immediately command respect from the players especially since some of them were his teammates in the past. I love it when big clubs go outside the box for managerial appointments
I think it was a bold choice, but if is right or wrong is another debate altogether.
Probably felt his football is too pragmatic. However they seem interested in Allegri.
After they had sold players like Walcott and Chamberlain.
This can go one way or the others. Just because you're teammates doesn't mean you're buddies and they're in line with their ideas, thought. Even if they are fine buddies, there comes a question about the new head coach being biased for his old teammates. Management is not simple.
Why are Arsenal looking to appoint an Everton legend ex player?
He hasn't shown it to the fans. That is less than 1% of the equation (and I'm being generous). I don't know what the board uses to evaluate and vet their choices.
Sounds like when when we appointed our last manager.
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Prepping the ground for positive net spend again.
We really messed up by not going after Klopp he would have been perfect at Arsenal and he would have taken the job. There aren’t any obvious choices now for Arsenal manager and the transfer budget probably isn’t the most appealing in world football.
A bold out of the box appointment makes sense here. Best/Worst case scenario he bombs, we go broke and Usmanov or some other rich crook takes over from the real problem we have, our owner.
A bold out of the box appointment makes sense here. Best/Worst case scenario he bombs, we go broke and Usmanov or some other rich crook takes over from the real problem we have, our owner.
Sad to see Arsene go because it was great having him there because he was keeping them in mediocrity. However, if I was an Arsenal fan, I would want someone who will toughen up that side and get them playing more dynamic football with real purpose. Conte would be perfect for that club right now.
Rumours of Henry as part of the backroom staff, it could work out for them, definitely a risky move. A few bad games to start, the crowd gets on the new manager and teams back and they are in the trenches at home. But doesnt Viera have more managerial experience than Arteta?
Giving it to Arteta is even worse than giving it to Giggs, has he even won anything apart from the FA Cup? At least Giggs is a serial winner with more leagues and cups than most clubs.
Pep and Zidane have won plenty, so they know about winning and that might perhaps cover for their lack of experience initially.
But from memory, Arteta won a few domestic cups, no leagues or nothing European, and has no experience managing.
If Arteta is the manager and they don't lose the first game, questions would get asked immediately whether he can do the job. If he don't win any in the first 5, he almost instantly becomes dead man walking and that's a stupid position for Arsenal to put themselves in.
Pep and Zidane have won plenty, so they know about winning and that might perhaps cover for their lack of experience initially.
But from memory, Arteta won a few domestic cups, no leagues or nothing European, and has no experience managing.
If Arteta is the manager and they don't lose the first game, questions would get asked immediately whether he can do the job. If he don't win any in the first 5, he almost instantly becomes dead man walking and that's a stupid position for Arsenal to put themselves in.
Wow,so I guess then that appointing Arteta is even more ridiculous!!Obviously I want Arsenal to slide into mid table obscurity,but I seriously cannot get my head around this....
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