Good timing, it's just been discussed on BBC's politicslive and no one has made the point I made, so you're likely right. We'll know if the actual ballot replicates the survey of course.
Next Labour leader - Starmer and Rayner win
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So Corbyn number 2 on the way? That'll be the end of Labour then and another decade at least of Conservative government.
What would happen if someone other than Becky won?
I find it bizarre that after three and a half years of abject failure, people still think having Corbyn's chosen heir is a good idea. And make no mistake, she won't be seen as anything but, because Corbyn decided to stay on to make sure his successor would be appointed.
Who would you like to win?
Genuinely don't know. Someone not female Corbyn, preferably. I think in terms of wider electability Keir Starmer is probably your best bet given the Tory press are probably going to struggle to attack a knight of the realm, former QC and civil servant. Labour needs to bring back middle England and you're not going to do that with a Corbyn-lite.
And how exactly do we 'win back middle England' whilst not losing huge amounts of young voters and activists to the Greens? What is this moderate platform that 'middle England' wants but is also sufficiently transformational that people who adore Attenborough and Thunberg and are terrified of climate change will vote for?
The same way Labour and Momentum seem to expect to keep middle England while only appeasing a young vote that doesn't bother to turn up?
How long have you had those in the chamber, matey?
Who honestly can look at Long Bailey and think to themselves that she is suitable to be leader of a party.
I thought we'd lost 'middle England' and had to win them back, not keep them?
Anyway, are you suggesting Labour can win without appealing to the ever increasing population that is seriously concerned about climate change?
Who would you like?
Win them, keep them. You're arguing semantics. Labour needs middle England votes.
You can have rhobust climate change policies and not threaten to nationalise a load of businesses that don't need nationalising. The idea that climate change policy and left wing policy are the same thing is part of the problem, one which you seem to be perpetuating?
Starmer is the most electable. Nandy has impressed me in some of the interviews she has given recently.
But honestly I just used twitter search today for about 5 minutes(The articles are all from this month!).
I am saying you need radical transformation to tackle climate change and that millions of voters agree with me. I don't think that's controversial.
I'm not really fussed on whether or not people wish to think of it as 'left wing' or not but it certainly can't be moderate. It certainly can't be the non-disruptive platform all these people who miss the days of New Labour dream of.
I didn't say the right wing press wouldn't attempt to try. I implied that their attempts may not necessarily wash on the electorate as well as the did with a man who has shared platforms with terrorist organisations and had sympathies with the IRA. Fairly straightforward really.
But honestly I just used twitter search today for about 5 minutes(The articles are all from this month!).
For what it's worth, I am not overly enamoured by Keir Starmer personally. However I do think the wider electorate probably would be.
Nationalising BT isn't the 'radical transformation' you need to tackle climate change, though. I'm pretty sure you'll find tens of millions of voters would agree that something needs doing about climate change; however you're unlikely to find tens of millions of voters who think everyone should be given free internet.
You were talking about Long-Bailey, actually, in that post.
BT has nothing to do with the issue of losing voters to the Greens if Labour doesn't offer transformational policy on climate change.
Labour's climate change policy was better than the Greens'. That's not what lost Labour seats; it's the something for nothing policies and Corbyn that did.
Same can be said of RLB.
Possibly although I've given up on guessing what the wider electorate thinks anymore.
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Looks like Momentum may have been lying about having 40,000 members. They have done a ballot and only 7000 voted.
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I don't think it can. RLB was propelled to the spotlight only because she was one of the few PLP members who continued to back Corbyn after it was evidenced he was a lame duck and she will really struggle to break that association in people's minds.
I don't think Labour lost because a few people laughed at free broadband but each to their own.
Once again, I do not see how a moderate platform that wins over 'middle England' coexists with that kind of radical green policy that was in the 2019 manifesto and is needed in any platform that won't result in death by Greens, under FPTP.
I've got a momentum membership and didn't vote in the recent ballot(Only checked my emails this morning).
I got like 10 emails about it and I didn't vote.
I've got a momentum membership and didn't vote in the recent ballot(Only checked my emails this morning).
It felt a weird thing to ask us to vote on, tbh...
RLB all the way folks.
You see people did not get the Labour message and so it needs to be banged into them until they do.
You see people did not get the Labour message and so it needs to be banged into them until they do.
Those of you who don't like our Becky are agreeing with some Tory cnut who thought it appropriate to call himself 'Honest John'.
Think on that.
Think on that.
And there we have it; exactly why people like me really struggle to vote for any candidate Momentum puts forward. Puerile sentiments like this. What next, should I feck off and join the Tories?
Or even a Socialist tw*t called DiseaseOfTheAge..
When I first joined this forum you had temp newbie access. We go way back, me and you. If anyone should be able to know when I'm taking the piss...
That's the spirit.
I'm sure she is her own woman ,with her own ideas. Save that for the right wing rags,they will be full of it whoever wins.
RLB has been terrible since the election defeat. From giving Corbyn 10/10, to blaming the media for Corbyn’s defeat, to referring to Miliband as ‘Tory-lite’. The fact she is Corbyns and Momrntums choice for the leadership should set alarm bells ringing. I can only hope enough people have signed up and are going to vote any of the other candidates in because RLB would be the worst choice by far.
Sadly I don’t think they have and I think she’ll win. RLB and Burgon
If I don’t laugh I’ll cry.
Sadly I don’t think they have and I think she’ll win. RLB and Burgon
If I don’t laugh I’ll cry.I hope not.RLB and Burgon
I don't remember there being too much emphasis on Labour's green policy in the election, fortunately for Labour I suspect, as in a quick read of the manifesto it seems to promise an immediate and massive £65 billion a year funding, with no explanation of where that would come from, it certainly wasn't mentioned in the 'funding for change' document that the only party with a fully costed manifesto put out. That only had £82 billion in total. Then add a huge list of environmental promises, all worthy but again without costing or mention of how they would be paid for.
I think the time is obviously right to put forward green policies, but people will only vote for them if they appear properly planned and believable, which means whoever was responsible for the last election needs to be shown the door. Including 'ten out of ten' Rebecca.
The Greens vote was 2.7% by the way. They were my second choice.
We shall see. I pray I’m wrong (on both counts).
I'm sure you do. Who do you fancy for deputy?
I'm going with Butler and her gay giraffes, obviously.
Momentum.
Such a ironic name.
Such a ironic name.