I understand what you mean but look at how he’s playing for the Brazilian national team as well. He is better than Raphinha.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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Ten Hag, Enrique and Potter all should be above Pochettino, not going to include Nagelsmann or Flick as neither leaving
Mods - can you please add RR as an option ?
Mods please don’t!! Let’s be unified that RR should be going upstairs and not doing this whole Ole thing again.
Poch fits the Glazer mould of managers who peaked years ago and are on the decline.
It's inevitable we will appoint him and rue the decision yet again.
It's inevitable we will appoint him and rue the decision yet again.
unified? What's the point of having a forum then.No, lets let people have their own opinions.
Him staying an extra year before an Enrique hire is my 2nd choice anyway, behind ETH.
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- A complicating factor when it comes to holding conversations regarding an appointment is that individuals like Pochettino and Ten Hag are occupying high-profile jobs with major honours to play for, making discussions potentially difficult and sensitive.
- Various stages will now follow as United attempt to run a thorough procedure and get their new man in place with as much time as possible to prepare for the 2022-23 campaign
Also on another note:
- There was a sense of dismay inside Old Trafford when United subsequently learned that their new head of fan engagement was previously known for apparently trying to cause trouble for one of Woodward’s close associates
- The new head of fan engagement has told United it was a silly comment that he now regrets. United's spokesperson has confirmed that he has apologized and the apology was accepted. The post was from two years ago
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I wonder how will we conduct interviews for Managers who already hold position. This has to be kept away from media because it can potentially derail other club season
Bit of a nothing article then
It is the reason I think Pochettino has already been chosen. He is a Glazer appointment through and through. If it's Joel's wish, then so it shall be. The rest is theatrics.
I feel people need to give this a read
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You have to register to read the Independent nowadays. Let me guess, Melissa Reddy puts a positive spin on Pochettino's failure to win any silverware at Spurs, claims he's got a great record with youth and is able to produce a team that plays very attractive football when I'd say his teams play decent football and that's it.
Football tribalism being the way it is means people will believe Reddy has an ulterior motive at play.
Football tribalism being the way it is means people will believe Reddy has an ulterior motive at play.
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I feel people need not read anything from Melissa Reddy. Particularly as it pertains to Manchester United's managerial appointment.
Unrealistic that we're interviewing anyone who we could actually meet in the CL. Even if we crash out early, Poch winning the CL for example might keep him at PSG for longer. Maybe we've just identified our target, but doubt anything will take the place before the end of the season.
I've read it without subscription and she made a very great point saying Pochettino "committed the crime" of managing in a league where his strengths and weaknesses were clear to see whereas ETH has an unknown entity about him which makes him look like the shiny new toy despite the risks Ten Hag himself comes with
She's right in what she says but a pointless article nonetheless.
Advocates of ETH are not pushing for him because he's a lesser risk. So she's got the complete wrong end of the interpretation.
That's a fair point.
I think it should be Poch considering the players that we have. A philosophy bro like Ten Hag is doomed to fail. If we're keeping DDG, Maguire, Rashford, Ronaldo etc we need someone a bit more pragmatic.
Why are you pushing for ETH? I like him but I agree that people who are convinced he is better than Poch are doing so on no evidence.
Also RR and then Enrique doesn’t add up either. Had he said he’s quitting after the World Cup? Also is he the best manager in world football right now? Those would be the only reasons id be waiting?
Also for those who know. Who had a better spell at Espanyol? Poch or Enrique?
Poch had a much better spell at Espanyol than Luis Enrique did. It would have been impossible for him not to.
It's depressing that the Andy Pandy stories won't quit.
ETH is more progressive in his style than Poch and shows a greater hunger to win trophies. The evidence on either manager being a hit at United is non existent.
I'd rather take the risk on him, but I do like Pochetino and he's still a safe pair of hands.
Enrique is a great coach - more established than either Poch or ETH. That in itself can warrant waiting - you don't need to be "the best in the world" but better than the options right now.
I personally have no problem with anyone who prefers ETH over Poch because they see him as a better fit. I have a problem with people who want ETH because they have this cynical and warped view that Pochettino is a reincarnation of Ole and yesterday's man that's lucky to be a manager at top level. He deserves a lot more respect than he's getting on this platform. If ETH is seen as a good fit for us Pochettino deserves to be in the conversation too
Ah, he's managing Ajax, so that must be all he's ever done and all he knows how to do.
He's been touted as a tactically astute and flexible manager capable of getting more than the sum of their parts out of a team since before he ever went near Ajax.
Poch is nothing like Ole. Ole is a terrible coach and shouldn't come near a PL Club.
I'm fine with Poch but I'd rather ETH because he comes across a lot more hungry in his desire to win trophies and his proactive stance to attractive football.
I think that both candidates would need a lot of time though. Their methods take ages to settle in - if I'm not mistaken ETH was almost sacked at Ajax before things kicked into gear.
If they go for ETH they will need to ship out the players who want to play football where you don't have to think too much.
Yeah, this is pretty much it. Ten Hag might be the one to finally get us back competing at the top again, or he might be a Villas-Boas type flop. Poch would be more likely to safely steer us to 4th every year.
Unfortunately, I know which of those options the Glazers would probably prefer.
ETH is a bigger risk than Poch and fans recognise that. Her point is moot. Fans just think ETH can reach a higher level.
ETH isn't an unknown entity, he has a very solid CL record.
Poch needed to go to PSG to get a trophy under his resumé, he got sacked when Spurs were 14th in the league so needed to get that jump back up in his profile.
Isn't she Mane's girlfriend? Or am I thinking of someone else. But yeah, she's not worth her salt when it comes to covering United.
I hear you.
On Enrique I just don’t think he’s worth the wait. But he’s actually my favourite manager. I use to like Rose… however he clearly hasn’t learnt how to coach defending.
I’m all for ETH though just don’t think there’s much difference than Poch but I do like the idea of a better brand of football.
We'll pay PSG for Poch now when he would be inevitably sacked and free in the summer.
Then we'll watch Ajax beat PSG (is that possible?)
Then we'll watch Ajax beat PSG (is that possible?)
Why should RR be an option? If we finish the season in 5th, no trophies and no good cup run is that good enough? Right now we are technically 6th since both Spurs & Arsenal have games in hand.
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Rumored to be, but their relationship is unclear. She is what I'd call an unofficial Liverpool spokesperson and her personal investment there is well-known. I wouldn't trust her to be unbiased.
But even if she is, it's a nothing article. The same arguments that have been chewed here ad nauseam. Poch=Safe, Ten Hag=Risk.
We know this. No one really thinks Pochettino is not a good manager. He knows what he is doing. He is good enough to comfortably win 4th place each year, maybe even 3rd, win FA and Carabao. But his faculties are established by this point and most people who don't want him as manager simply do not believe he is capable of winning the highest accolades. Which is what this club should be doing - going after the PL and CL. Everyone recognizes Erik ten Hag as a risk. He is shrouded in doubt and mystery due to his short CV. Nobody knows for sure if he is capable, but the potential is there. He has shown hunger that Pochettino hasn't.
Will the club take the safe option once again or finally show some ambition and pick the risky one? It's what ultimately boils down to. And to be honest, I don't view Ten Hag as that risky. I fail to see how he could somehow turn out so much worse than Poch as to make him a bad decision in retrospect.
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Part of the allure of ETH, at least for me, is that he is a risk rather than the same uninspired 'safe' hires we've made a habit of making (bar Ole). Poch would absolutely represent the latter and the more 'business as usual' approach.
It's about time we took a punt at something new rather than the usual conventional wisdom at the club that's brought us nowhere near where we want to be as a club. There's more risk there but also more potential upside in my eyes
It's about time we took a punt at something new rather than the usual conventional wisdom at the club that's brought us nowhere near where we want to be as a club. There's more risk there but also more potential upside in my eyes
So, we shouldn't look long term with our next managerial appointment?
For me Ten Hag is no risk - clearly highly touted been linke with Bayern before Flick but refused to leave midseason
Plays great football - was minutes away form a Champions league final on a fraction of the budget than Pochs spurs beat him to, during that season he dismantled Juventus & Madrid
Had the team picked apart by Europe's Elite & now has rebuilt his side with arguably Premier league rejects and youth prospects
For me he ticks all the boxes, plays attacking football, gives youth chances & rebuilt a side that can compete in the Champions League
Plays great football - was minutes away form a Champions league final on a fraction of the budget than Pochs spurs beat him to, during that season he dismantled Juventus & Madrid
Had the team picked apart by Europe's Elite & now has rebuilt his side with arguably Premier league rejects and youth prospects
For me he ticks all the boxes, plays attacking football, gives youth chances & rebuilt a side that can compete in the Champions League
Let's face it, if this was 1986, the same arguments against Ten Haag would be levelled at SAF, won a farmers league and did much better in Europe than expected.
Many fans, including me, lost patience with him, but he went on to prove us all wrong, very wrong.
Liverpool had to be patient with Klopp too, don't forget.
Poch would be a safe pair of hands, for a few years. Ten Haag maybe has the potential to build something great.
Many fans, including me, lost patience with him, but he went on to prove us all wrong, very wrong.
Liverpool had to be patient with Klopp too, don't forget.
Poch would be a safe pair of hands, for a few years. Ten Haag maybe has the potential to build something great.
This is an issue don't you think? Catering to a 37 year old, 31 year old and 29 year old instead of the overall direction of the club? Ideally we should already be planning for the future without them.
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