Everyone bar Patriots players and fans were robbed of a satisfying ending. Both sides would have an equal chance of winning a coin flip before kick off so why bother playing the game?
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I’m not really advocating for the rule I’m just saying that KC had equal chance to effect the game. Their defence lost them the game.
If it was the other way round I wouldn’t be complaining.
you don't "just have to deal with it". you can advocate for a fairer system, which i am doing
why not just play rock paper scissors, best of 3? both teams had an equal chance in the first place
It’s useless in the context of the game which is played under the current rules though. The players are aware of the rules and it’s up to them to effect the game. KC lost the game themselves.
they lost the game after being arbitrarily placed in a position where the odds were stacked against them
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Tbf, the NFL is the only level on the American football pyramid that doesn’t allow both teams a possession in overtime.
High school and college both start at a set yard line and give each team the ball.
It's not equal and I can't believe you can't see that. One side has a risk free go at an attacking drive, knowing that if they fail they will have another opportunity with their defence. The other side has all of the risk in attempting to defend a drive, knowing if they fail they won't get an opportunity with their attack.
There is very little effect KC players can have on a coin toss they weren't allowed to call.
They bottled it. They gave up 3 3rd and 10 conversions.
Well here's to six pages of arguing in circles.
Hop over to the Current Events thread and watch the blood moon/lunar eclipse.
Hop over to the Current Events thread and watch the blood moon/lunar eclipse.
Rock, paper, scissors would be infinitely better than a coin toss for determining sides, kick offs and other such matters across all sports!
It would add an intriguing element to captaincy and make for great viewing!
you're missing the point and i think its because you are a fan of one of the teams who played in the game
Again guys, I’m not saying that the rule is fair. I said during the previous game that I didn’t think it was.
I’m just saying that both sets of players know what they have to do and are aware of the rules and KC were let down by their defence.
No I’m not I agree with you that the rule is not very fair, I just think it’s irrelevant because they play with the current rules in mind and KC failed on defence. I don’t think it’s fair to say KC couldn’t do anything to stop NE scoring because they absolutely could and almost did multiple times.
While I agree that the current system isn’t fair (or fairer say like college football where both teams get the ball), this also is the system that’s been in play forever and everyone knows the rules. You don’t see a big clamor or movement in getting it changed either. I remember the days when the first team who scored (even by a field goal) that won. I’m not too bothered either way, as both teams had 60 minutes to settle the game and prevent OT. Also there’s some excitement knowing that you score a TD and it’s over. A walk off or golden goal situation. Not saying college football overtime’s aren’t exciting either, btw. Just feel college OTs are cool for college and NFL OT is fun and exciting for the NFL. And while it may not be ideal, the coin flip has a lot to do with it.
Should make the coin toss first to 9 out of 16 
Tbh it’s just sad that all everyone will talk about now is the OT, when in reality we played an excellent game against the odds.
I think the current OT system is stupid and needs changing but the hyperbole changes so much when it’s the Patriots who benefit. Comments like “won because of a coin toss” are kind of silly because we still had to get a TD to make that comment relevant. Brees won the toss. One slip up and the Rams were in with a short field.
I’m sure there is a fairer system out there for OT. I think part of the issue is players don’t want it changed because they don’t want to have to play more time.
Anyway, I’m glad we won. Should be a great Super Bowl.
I think the current OT system is stupid and needs changing but the hyperbole changes so much when it’s the Patriots who benefit. Comments like “won because of a coin toss” are kind of silly because we still had to get a TD to make that comment relevant. Brees won the toss. One slip up and the Rams were in with a short field.
I’m sure there is a fairer system out there for OT. I think part of the issue is players don’t want it changed because they don’t want to have to play more time.
Anyway, I’m glad we won. Should be a great Super Bowl.
KC have themselves to blame for letting it get to the coin toss through bad game management. If they were a bit smarter they’d have won that game but I think the inexperience showed in the end.
They should have wound the clock down more and not given the ball back with 2 minutes left. That was asking for trouble.
As far as I’m concerned they had 60 minutes to win the game and they know what happens if it’s level at the end of it. The OT rule may not be the fairest but they had the chance to not let it come down to that. Not to even mention things like Ford’s offside...
They should have wound the clock down more and not given the ball back with 2 minutes left. That was asking for trouble.
As far as I’m concerned they had 60 minutes to win the game and they know what happens if it’s level at the end of it. The OT rule may not be the fairest but they had the chance to not let it come down to that. Not to even mention things like Ford’s offside...
Math not your strong suit, huh Dave? What do you do if it’s 8-8?Should make the coin toss first to 9 out of 16
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Try getting on to AFL given it will be on during the off season. It's a much faster and harder sport. Plus it's a football code where they actually kick the ball.
Highlights from the Grand Final in September. 100k people in the stands. Game went down to the last minute.
Also #46 for Collingwood (Mason Cox), the black and white team, is an American who has come across and has been playing well.
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The OT rule is shit. What happened in regulation changes nothing.
There’s no point in saying the players know the rules beforehand when the actual point is that these said rules are terrible.
Patriots gifted another easy ride into the superbowl . The AFC is a joke .
When Miami Dolphins are one of the best teams things need to change .
They really need to shake up the divisions again . I certainly can't be bothered watching Brady and Co again in a Superbowl
When Miami Dolphins are one of the best teams things need to change .
They really need to shake up the divisions again . I certainly can't be bothered watching Brady and Co again in a Superbowl
Not really
It's said almost every year and a lot no matter which team benefits
Here it might be argued more cos you have more patriots fans here - thus making an opposing argument against it cos their team won
But both teams not getting possession is crazy in a playoff game especially when it decides something so big
I don’t think there’s anyone who supports it, including patriots fans. The majority of which on here have clearly said that it’s not the best rule. But perhaps if you read the next sentence, you’ll understand the context of my post. Some of us fans perhaps get overly defensive because of the level of BS.
The fact of the matter is this: the rule sucks, whoever is playing, whoever benefits. It’s bad for any fan of the sport. But to say it’s the sole reason a team wins is wrong. It contributes. Unfairly so. Which is why it’s a crap rule. But that doesn’t mean it’s the only reason a team wins.
feck the OT rules and feck the patriots.
The ot rules suck only cause every time Brady is around, the guy drives down the field pinging darts everywhere
Didn’t hear any complaints about them in the earlier game
Brady forever
Didn’t hear any complaints about them in the earlier game
Brady forever
They suck because they actually suck. The Patriots just make it more obvious than it already is.
That's because you don't read anything other than patriots posts. It's talked about in here every time and it's a bullshit rule.
Also in the earlier game each team had a drive.
You're kidding right? Even in the early game people were saying that the OT rules suck, as they've been saying for years in the NFL thread.
They do suck, it's very unfair. I don't begrudge it to Brady though, he made the plays and performed as clinically as ever. You just know what's gonna happen and you ain't stopping him. Harsh on Mahomes of course, think he was a bit impressed by the occassion in the first half, and the Pats' D played lights out.
I get it that emotions might be involved here due to people being upset about the outcome of the OT in this particular game but the rule has been around for long enough and all teams know it so they play with it in mind.
Neither defence in this instance was particularly good so either team should have ensured they win it in regular time. Once it gets to OT, they both knew the result of the coin toss will have an influence on the eventual winner.
I liken this to penalty kicks at the end of a draw match in football. When it occurs in a World Cup final, I’ve heard many pundits cry about the rule being unfair and would love for a better way to decide a World Cup winner. However the teams can’t go on playing forever until a winner is found, so concessions have to be made at some point (usually not very fair) to decide a winner and bring the game to an end.
This is the best alternative idea I’ve seen so far,
I’m a Pats fan so I was delighted in this case, but I’ve been at the losing end of an unfair rule when my national team lost the Confederations Cup finals in 2003 to a Thierry Henry golden goal in extra time. I was gutted at the time about the loss not about the rule because the rules are well known beforehand so you can’t complain about it after you fall victim.
Neither defence in this instance was particularly good so either team should have ensured they win it in regular time. Once it gets to OT, they both knew the result of the coin toss will have an influence on the eventual winner.
I liken this to penalty kicks at the end of a draw match in football. When it occurs in a World Cup final, I’ve heard many pundits cry about the rule being unfair and would love for a better way to decide a World Cup winner. However the teams can’t go on playing forever until a winner is found, so concessions have to be made at some point (usually not very fair) to decide a winner and bring the game to an end.
This is the best alternative idea I’ve seen so far,
although I’m not sure how the coaching staffs and players will take a game which continues for 30 minutes or more without an outright winner. I would alter it a bit to allow for kicks and extra two points (one teams kicker could score and the other misses), anything to bring the match to an end quickly.
I’m a Pats fan so I was delighted in this case, but I’ve been at the losing end of an unfair rule when my national team lost the Confederations Cup finals in 2003 to a Thierry Henry golden goal in extra time. I was gutted at the time about the loss not about the rule because the rules are well known beforehand so you can’t complain about it after you fall victim.
Tom feckin Brady! What a monster!
Can't wait for Bill Burr's Monday morning podcast, he'll be drunk as feck.
Can't wait for Bill Burr's Monday morning podcast, he'll be drunk as feck.
Didn't think the patriots had much of a chance to get there after regular season. Thought chiefs would win comfortably but that was an incredible display from the whole squad.
OT rule isn't the best and Mahomes should've been given a chance. But we all knew the rules before it started and the chiefs D had the chance to get it back to the O - they couldn't.
9 Super Bowl appearances - yikes.
OT rule isn't the best and Mahomes should've been given a chance. But we all knew the rules before it started and the chiefs D had the chance to get it back to the O - they couldn't.
9 Super Bowl appearances - yikes.
The next sentence is irrelevant to you saying the hyperbole changing when its the patriots benefits. Its not. Its the from the majority of people, no matter which team plays in the playoffs or which team wins and has been for years.
There is no level of BS. Comments like 'won cos of a coin toss' are not just aimed at Patriots. Teams are defo benefiting and having an advantage cos of coin toss though.
They didnt 'bottle it'. Thats ignoring the tiredness of the defence as well as the good play calling and execution of the Patriots.
Defo impressive for Brady to get to another superbowlTom feckin Brady! What a monster!
Can't wait for Bill Burr's Monday morning podcast, he'll be drunk as feck.
But he was not good and hugely benefits from a GOAT coach and system
And a well built franchise
Not that it takes away from his own status but it defo helps him. But fair play to him for still going
You’ve just agreed with me in your post. So let’s just leave it where it is.
@Fanatic 00237 its like penalties, if the team that scores the first penalty wins.