I have empathy but look my old mother has early onset dimentia and she never misses an appointment because they are either pinned up on the wall or written in a calendarHave some empathy
I have empathy but look my old mother has early onset dimentia and she never misses an appointment because they are either pinned up on the wall or written in a calendarHave some empathy
No I make them all the time and am responsible for the mistake I make. Nothing wrong with expecting that from adults who do not have any other conditions that affect their memory or abilities.People make mistakes, you going to pretend you've never made them?
'If she can do it why can't they' isn't a valid argument. Pinned on a wall or written on a calendar by whom? What kind of support does she receive to get to her appointments?I have empathy but look my old mother has early onset dimentia and she never misses an appointment because they are either pinned up on the wall or written in a calendar
Because mistakes happen and you'd punish people who often have very littleNo I make them all the time and am responsible for the mistake I make. Nothing wrong with expecting that from adults who do not have any other conditions that affect their memory or abilities.
My doc has a missed appointment fee, they send you a text 48 hrs before and call you the day before. If you miss it, chances are very good it is your own fault.
Really don't understand why expecting adults to take on adult responsibilities is such a problem.
Mozza, not everyone who misses appointments will have memory problems. It will cut down a huge amount of waste and time loss. Its a very simple idea and everyone has a way of being notified. They even ring you a day or two before ffs.If you're sick you won't always be well enough to remember. I'll also repeat people don't have money
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As someone new to the system this has been my observation as well, 80-90% of our patients are 70+ and of course you have to care for the elderly but it it is just putting an insane amount of stress on the systemI'm a general manager in a large acute trust. Believe me when I say this is the worst it's ever been. Although I agree that the NHS has been underfunded for the last 7 years it's a little more complicated than that. The biggest challenge is simply the vast amount of older people requiring help...and just how complex that is. Most of this is down to the unbelievable cuts social care has had to endure. Health are picking up the pieces and are Ill equipped to do this ( hospitals are very dangerous places for older people). More money wouldn't help us in this situation...one we don't have the staff and we would just end up building bigger and bigger warehouses of older people with little hope of them getting home in a timely way. Just reinforcing the cycle.
Please be patient with us during this time though. It's true that at least for us this is the best we have ever prepared. But it was never going to be enough in a system that doesn't work for our frailest. It's relentless and unprecented but everyone is doing Thier best.
Direct debit. If they cant afford to pay they will make sure to attend or call the clinic. People are not that stupid.If someone can't afford to pay are you going to send the baliffs round?
That'll turn a £10 bill into £100 bill
Exactly Geebs, Im as liberal as the next one on here and not for anyone paying for health care but this is to save the NHS not to punish people I wish @Mozza would see that.I have empathy but look my old mother has early onset dimentia and she never misses an appointment because they are either pinned up on the wall or written in a calendar
Mistakes happen, and when you make them you need to be responsible for them. Unless I have already pointed out there are extenuating circumstances (IE real issues that cause you to miss an appointment not just being shit at life and forgetting).Because mistakes happen and you'd punish people who often have very little
Thats basically the issueMistakes happen, and when you make them you need to be responsible for them. Unless I have already pointed out there are extenuating circumstances (IE real issues that cause you to miss an appointment not just being shit at life and forgetting).
And missed appointments can punish people who are actually sick and can't get in to see a Doc, but I guess that is okay with you.
16 million adults with less than £100 in savings. You'll need a system of payment and one of recovery if payment isn't madeMozza, not everyone who misses appointments will have memory problems. It will cut down a huge amount of waste and time loss. Its a very simple idea and everyone has a way of being notified. They even ring you a day or two before ffs.
Direct debit requires a payment system, record keeping and recovery mechanism if the debit bouncesDirect debit. If they cant afford to pay they will make sure to attend or call the clinic. People are not that stupid.
Mozza its a fecking phone call or walk into the clinic, they even call you the day before to make sure. There is no excuse.16 million adults with less than £100 in savings. You'll need a system of payment and one of recovery if payment isn't made
He clearly doesnt give a shitMistakes happen, and when you make them you need to be responsible for them. Unless I have already pointed out there are extenuating circumstances (IE real issues that cause you to miss an appointment not just being shit at life and forgetting).
And missed appointments can punish people who are actually sick and can't get in to see a Doc, but I guess that is okay with you.
That's too much to expect from an adult I guess.Mozza its a fecking phone call or walk into the clinic, they even call you the day before to make sure. There is no excuse.
You'll need a dispute resolution mechanism to prove someone missed an appointment for a good reason and not a bad one. Do you take a person at their word or do you presume guilt unless they can prove otherwise? If they plead povertyhow much proof would they need to bring?Mistakes happen, and when you make them you need to be responsible for them. Unless I have already pointed out there are extenuating circumstances (IE real issues that cause you to miss an appointment not just being shit at life and forgetting).
And missed appointments can punish people who are actually sick and can't get in to see a Doc, but I guess that is okay with you.
finally someone asks that questionJust out of interest, from where did the Government get that one billion pounds that was given to the DUP?
You incapable of understanding that people can call or walk in? You ignoring me telling you clinics call you to confirm the day before?You'll need a dispute resolution mechanism to prove someone missed an appointment for a good reason and not a bad one. Do you take a person at their word or do you presume guilt unless they can prove otherwise? If they plead povertyhow much proof would they need to bring?
What if something else comes up, family emergency, kids sick. Phone got nicked.Mozza its a fecking phone call or walk into the clinic, they even call you the day before to make sure. There is no excuse.
I understand but if they don't call and they can't afford the £10 what are you going to do for payment and will you get the baliffs involved?You incapable of understanding that people can call or walk in? You ignoring me telling you clinics call you to confirm the day before?
Mozza you are being obtuse and ridiculous. So feck the other patients who needed that appointment yes? Stop worrying about payment mechanisms and worry about how easy it is to contact the clinic to say you cant make it. It would literally save the NHS with that.What if something else comes up, family emergency, kids sick. Phone got nicked.
How will you collect payment and if you can't do you get ballifs involved?
They would have to pay on next visit.I understand but if they don't call and they can't afford the £10 what are you going to do for payment and will you get the baliffs involved?
Your simple solution isn't.Mozza you are being obtuse and ridiculous. So feck the other patients who needed that appointment yes? Stop worrying about payment mechanisms and worry about how easy it is to contact the clinic to say you cant make it. It would literally save the NHS with that.
What if they are sick but can't afford to pay, no treatment for them?They would have to pay on next visit.
Missed appointments cost a lot of time and money it would helpYour simple solution isn't.
It really wouldn't save the NHS, Social care for the elderly is what's killing the NHS, not missed appointments
It's a massive exaggeration saying it would save the NHS. It would cause a minor increase in the attendance rate, and put some people off appointments. It would have a minor effect on a wellbeing of the NHS and a major effect on people with anxiety disorders or who otherwise don't want to be a burden.Mozza you are being obtuse and ridiculous. So feck the other patients who needed that appointment yes? Stop worrying about payment mechanisms and worry about how easy it is to contact the clinic to say you cant make it. It would literally save the NHS with that.
They can afford to send a text or a phone call. Not buying your bull shit argument.What if they are sick but can't afford to pay, no treatment for them?
Sure, but is it cost effective?Missed appointments cost a lot of time and money it would help
Okay it wont save but it will fecking helpIt's a massive exaggeration saying it would save the NHS. It would cause a minor increase in the attendance rate, and put some people off appointments. It would have a minor effect on a wellbeing of the NHS and a major effect on people with anxiety disorders or who otherwise don't want to be a burden.
Yes it saves time and money. Mozza you have serious priority issues.Sure, but is it cost effective?
But we are back to mistakes happenThey can afford to send a text or a phone call. Not buying your bull shit argument.