He had a chance vs Liverpool where he was one on one vs the keeperTbf I think he has only missed the one sitter vs Sheff Utd, but still he was Arsenal's best player in that match. Coutinho missed a similar sitter for Bayern on Tuesday.
He had a chance vs Liverpool where he was one on one vs the keeperTbf I think he has only missed the one sitter vs Sheff Utd, but still he was Arsenal's best player in that match. Coutinho missed a similar sitter for Bayern on Tuesday.
It was a good chance but not a sitter. Many top strikers have missed those. His chance at Sheffield was definitely a sitter. Sterling, Kane, Aguero and Salah have missed similar one-on-ones.He had a chance vs Liverpool where he was one on one vs the keeper
This is an example of why I largely ignore all non-United player opinions on the Caf. They are usually based on observations from a player's best or worst matches, transfer rumors, or Youtube highlights.He was never shit, just not world class enough from day one to satisfy the caf wankers
He was on the pitch for 20 mins and changed the game. You clearly didn't watch.Scored 2 great free kicks yesterday but I still thought he was poor. Looks very loose on the ball, lost the ball a couple of times and made bad passes again.
I think the Europa league is more his level than the premier league.
Tbf I think he has only missed the one sitter vs Sheff Utd, but still he was Arsenal's best player in that match. Coutinho missed a similar sitter for Bayern on Tuesday.
Looks like the newbies is more your level than the main forumScored 2 great free kicks yesterday but I still thought he was poor. Looks very loose on the ball, lost the ball a couple of times and made bad passes again.
I think the Europa league is more his level than the premier league.
Not sure I understand this comment? Is this supposed to be an insult?Looks like the newbies is more your level than the main forum
They don't. Ex Pro's all over Twitter comment that he's talented and just needs time (Gary Lineker for example). You said he was poor yesterday which was incorrect. He was on the pitch for 20 mins and turned the game. That is why I imagine you got called out.Not sure I understand this comment? Is this supposed to be an insult?
Rather than trying to insult me why not discuss what I said. Explain why you disagree? Do you not find it weird how only Arsenal fans currently rate the guy?
Shades of Depay for United so far. Mkhitaryan to lesser extent also.Made me laugh how much BT were trying desperately to hype him up last night.
Yes the 2 free kicks were very good, but they're talking like "he's arrived", I bet he will go back to being exactly the same
What's there to discuss? You've made your mind up that he's more suited to the EL after less than three monthsNot sure I understand this comment? Is this supposed to be an insult?
Rather than trying to insult me why not discuss what I said. Explain why you disagree? Do you not find it weird how only Arsenal fans currently rate the guy?
I havent "made my mind up" about him. I can only comment on what I have seen. So far he looks average.What's there to discuss? You've made your mind up that he's more suited to the EL after less than three months
In his first season at Spurs, Son scored 4 PL goals all year and now he's one of the better players in the league. Yet judging by the opinions on show here, Spurs should have written him off and sold him immediately.
Anyone who makes their mind up about any player so soon is either on the wind up, hasn't been watching football for very long, or doesn't know what they're talking about.
He does now, how great did he look in his first season?I havent "made my mind up" about him. I can only comment on what I have seen. So far he looks average.
The comparison to Son also doesnt work, Son look more in control of the ball and had better overall play than Pepe. It's not just about scoring goals.
I have been wrong about players before and I will probably be wrong again in the future. But there is a reason why no one is envious that Arsenal signed Pepe.
Mo Salah and de Bruijn scored a total of 5 goals in their years at Chelsea and they got absolutely slaughtered even by Chelsea fans and the club got rid of them. But now they are among the best players in the PL. Less than 3 months into the season and Pepe is getting trashed already. Deary me.I havent "made my mind up" about him. I can only comment on what I have seen. So far he looks average.
The comparison to Son also doesnt work, Son look more in control of the ball and had better overall play than Pepe. It's not just about scoring goals.
I have been wrong about players before and I will probably be wrong again in the future. But there is a reason why no one is envious that Arsenal signed Pepe.
There are many, many more big flops in England than Salah like successes.Mo Salah and de Bruijn scored a total of 5 goals in their years at Chelsea and they got absolutely slaughtered even by Chelsea fans and the club got rid of them. But now they are among the best players in the PL. Less than 3 months into the season and Pepe is getting trashed already. Deary me.
So what exactly have we seen from Lo Celso and Ndombele so far this season? They haven't won games single handedly for Spurs so are they flops too? They were signed for around 60m each weren't they?It’s weird how Arsenal fans are struggling to understand the difference between players signed for 20-40m and a 72m record breaking investment on a 24 year old player.
These kind of players don’t get the same time or patience. Nor should they. You spend that much on someone who isn’t clearly marked ‘for the future’ and you obviously want him to deliver, he doesn’t get seasons to adapt.
Sounds like he'd fit in with usCan only score when everyone else is standing still
So what exactly have we seen from Lo Celso and Ndombele so far this season? They haven't won games single handedly for Spurs so are they flops too? They were signed for around 60m each weren't they?
I saw a post where you were saying Ndombele looks promising but needs to work on his defensive discipline. Why? Why isn't he already the finished product when he was signed for such big money?
It's too early to judge any of them. Even.end of the season is really too early to have clear picture of these players. But it's boring way to look at it. We judge players game by game.Ndombele has had a mixed start. I’ve criticised him and he deserves that, but he’s shown a hell of a lot more than Pepe so far, cost less money and is 2 years younger. He has 2 goals and an assist from open play in the league, and 2 assists in the CL.
Lo Celso has been injured .. nobody would be criticising Pepe if he had been injured, that would be stupid.
Pepe is a 24 year old attacker signed for over 70 mill who hasn’t got a single goal from open play in the league. That’s .. not good, even for a player who is settling in.
Oh please.It’s weird how Arsenal fans are struggling to understand the difference between players signed for 20-40m and a 72m record breaking investment on a 24 year old player.
These kind of players don’t get the same time or patience. Nor should they. You spend that much on someone who isn’t clearly marked ‘for the future’ and you obviously want him to deliver, he doesn’t get seasons to adapt.
Poor attempt at trolling.Ndombele has had a mixed start. I’ve criticised him and he deserves that, but he’s shown a hell of a lot more than Pepe so far, cost less money and is 2 years younger. He has 2 goals and an assist from open play in the league, and 2 assists in the CL.
Lo Celso has been injured .. nobody would be criticising Pepe if he had been injured, that would be stupid.
Pepe is a 24 year old attacker signed for over 70 mill who hasn’t got a single goal from open play in the league. That’s .. not good, even for a player who is settling in.
Oh please.
Bergkamp and Henry were both signed for what was big money at the time and both famously took a while to settle. Both have unquestionably ended up in our top 5 players of all time (some would argue that they are numbers 1 & 2 actually).
So if we go by your logic both should have been bombed out of the club early doors...
Sure. And I’m sure any day now he will start tearing up the league as Arsenal fans predicted.Poor attempt at trolling.
There is no difference between 20 million or 70 million player actually. No one says he is a great player for 20 million, but 70 is too much. You get judged on what you produce. Not your players point per pound performance. Either Pepe will be good enough or not good enough. No fans care what a player cost if he performsIt’s weird how Arsenal fans are struggling to understand the difference between players signed for 20-40m and a 72m record breaking investment on a 24 year old player.
These kind of players don’t get the same time or patience. Nor should they. You spend that much on someone who isn’t clearly marked ‘for the future’ and you obviously want him to deliver, he doesn’t get seasons to adapt.
Well that's rubbish, as that's exactly the stick that Pogba gets beaten with every day.There is no difference between 20 million or 70 million player actually. No one says he is a great player for 20 million, but 70 is too much. You get judged on what you produce. Not your players point per pound performance. Either Pepe will be good enough or not good enough. No fans care what a player cost if he performs
There is no difference between 20 million or 70 million player actually. No one says he is a great player for 20 million, but 70 is too much. You get judged on what you produce. Not your players point per pound performance. Either Pepe will be good enough or not good enough. No fans care what a player cost if he performs
Asserting that he won't get there is also speculation, lets see him for 6 months before commenting on him. I mean he's got 3 goals 3 assists in his first 8 games in a new league, to say that he isn't close is just expressing your hope that Arsenal haven't got a good player. He's the only player in Emery's system actually making things happen.Naive nonsense. Of course a price tag matters. Clubs invest what they think a player is worth to them, and expect a certain return on that.
If a club spent 200m on a player Neymar style, do you really think the price wouldn’t matter if he performed like a 50m one? Of course it would.
Pepe needs to start performing like a player bought for 70 mill. He isn’t even close at the moment. Maybe he will get there but that’s just speculation.
Actually sometimes it can be quite easy to make a sharp decision on a player.What's there to discuss? You've made your mind up that he's more suited to the EL after less than three months
In his first season at Spurs, Son scored 4 PL goals all year and now he's one of the better players in the league. Yet judging by the opinions on show here, Spurs should have written him off and sold him immediately.
Anyone who makes their mind up about any player so soon is either on the wind up, hasn't been watching football for very long, or doesn't know what they're talking about.
He hasn’t got 3 goals in a new league. He has 1. Because he got given a penalty to take.Asserting that he won't get there is also speculation, lets see him for 6 months before commenting on him. I mean he's got 3 goals 3 assists in his first 8 games in a new league, to say that he isn't close is just expressing your hope that Arsenal haven't got a good player. He's the only player in Emery's system actually making things happen.
Dont want to squabble, but its funny how people keep moving the goal posts as and when milestones are crossed. It starts with no contribution, then no goals, now its no goals from open play. Then it'll be no goals against top 6, then no goals in the CL. We get it, you've made your mind up. If he proves to be a good player which is more likely than not, we'll come back to take your case.He hasn’t got 3 goals in a new league. He has 1. Because he got given a penalty to take.
He hasn’t scored a single Arsenal goal from open play. Both his non-penalty goals were free kicks against Vitoria. And you can say it’s just ‘my hope’ when pretty much anyone aside from grasping at straws Arsenal fans can see he’s been not good at all in the Prem.
I mean Pepe can be crap, miss a sitter, but as long as he beats his man a few times all you’re gunna hear about from Arsenal fans is how the ‘ability is clear’ and ‘give him time.
He has 2 PL assists but like .. he takes set pieces. He’s going to get some. From open play in the Prem he has one assist and that’s all. And that assist wasn’t a defence splitting pass either, it was one where Lacazette did all the work.
You just said he scored 3 in a new league when he hasn't, in order to try and portray him as being more successful than he actually has been.Dont want to squabble, but its funny how people keep moving the goal posts as and when milestones are crossed. It starts with no contribution, then no goals, now its no goals from open play. Then it'll be no goals against top 6, then no goals in the CL. We get it, you've made your mind up. If he proves to be a good player which is more likely than not, we'll come back to take your case.
It’s weird how Arsenal fans are struggling to understand the difference between players signed for 20-40m and a 72m record breaking investment on a 24 year old player.
These kind of players don’t get the same time or patience. Nor should they. You spend that much on someone who isn’t clearly marked ‘for the future’ and you obviously want him to deliver, he doesn’t get seasons to adapt.
You made some valid points about Pepe neeeding to do it in the PL instead of EL.No, my point is that a record signing is going to get criticised.