FattyFooty
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Yeah, Norway aint really very good.He will absolutely get less games, as Norway will never qualify for a major tournament in the near future.
He still ha amazing stats playing for them.
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Yeah, Norway aint really very good.He will absolutely get less games, as Norway will never qualify for a major tournament in the near future.
I thought he had 11 assists (to go with his 44 goals)?Henry and Salah both have 60.
He’s on 49 now with at least 12 more games to play (potentially 16), that record will fall.I thought he had 11 assists (to go with his 44 goals)?
Thanks for the correction.
That's a high mark to reach.
A friend of mine played for the Norwegian national team in the first decade of the 2000s and he has some choice words for the bottling mentality of the team back then, and now. Unsurprisingly he feels that some of the players are not very good at footballIt might happen eventually, but Norway are serial bottlers.
A better footballer?Id be interested in an actual academic research article that went into depths about the greats and their overall contributions.
For example Mbappe is a better footballer than Haaland. Most would agree on that. Mbappe scores prettier goals, but significantly fewer goals. He dribbles more, and loses the ball more. In that sense he is both a better footballer, and a more wasteful footballer. He also has the ball more. A lot of his plays end up in nothing, and some end up in something productive.
Using all available statistical data it would be viable to make an algorithm that accurately predict league difficulty comparable to the rest, and apply conditions like successful involvements and remove the "fluff" from a players action, ie. dribbles that goes nowhere, attempted fancyplays that look nice but ultimately contribute nothing, and look at hard data that shows measurable outcomes that impacts a game directly or indirectly down to a fixed level where the previous play is deemed to not impact play.
Tbh that would be a good subject for a PhD or at the base levels a Masters degree.
In the end, that fact makes all the difference. I am not overly bothered though as I only care about United.A friend of mine played for the Norwegian national team in the first decade of the 2000s and he has some choice words for the bottling mentality of the team back then, and now. Unsurprisingly he feels that some of the players are not very good at football
Surely the CL tracker is the thing though? The likelihood is that he won't spend more than a few years in the PL. Also, I don't think the PL has actually had a goalscorer of this calibre ever, in comparison to other leagues and old time English football. Shearer is top dog and 260 goals or whatever he has really isn't that much in the grand scheme of things.Here's a fun resource - Norway's biggest paper VG is doing a Haaland tracker, updated on a running basis. VGs Haaland-tracker: Følg Haalands rekord-jakt live
It's in Norwegian, but easy enough to follow. The two graphs are the main things. The top one compares his cumulative PL scoring output this season and compares it to Shearer, Cole and Salah in their best seasons and after a given number of games.
The bottom one follows his cumulative CL scoring output, comparing it to Messi, Lewandowski, Benzema, Mbappe, Cristiano Ronaldo and Raul after a similar number of games. That one you can also flip to compare by age rather than games (the buttons above, tagged "Kamper" (games) and "Alder" (age) respectively). You can also switch it from CL to PL career numbers compared to Aguero, Rooney, Cole, Shearer and Kane.
There were more games per a Premier League season when Shearer played. I'd also say the Premier league is of a far better quality today than back in the 90s, where English teams largely struggled in Europe.Shearers goalscoring is pretty elite in the grand scheme of things.
La liga top scorers - Here he would be 3d, behind Messi and Ronaldo
Serie a top scorers - Here he would be 2d, first if we count his goals from old premier leauge first division.
Bundesliga top scorers - Here he would be 4th, 3d if his first goals counted
So not the absolute best but pretty damn good if you compare to the other european elite leauges.
Scary thing is City are in contention for the treble in his first season. Sky is the limit once he 'settles' in his second.He's just entering his peak. There'll be seasons where he will hit 60-70 or possibly more. If he can avoid injury issues he will break their record.
I could see him scoring a goal with every touchScary thing is City are in contention for the treble in his first season. Sky is the limit once he 'settles' in his second.
Playing for Newcastle and Blackburn as well.Shearers goalscoring is pretty elite in the grand scheme of things.
La liga top scorers - Here he would be 3d, behind Messi and Ronaldo
Serie a top scorers - Here he would be 2d, first if we count his goals from old premier leauge first division.
Bundesliga top scorers - Here he would be 4th, 3d if his first goals counted
So not the absolute best but pretty damn good if you compare to the other european elite leauges.
Both Rovers and Newcastle were quite competitive sides during his time there, well, at least early on for Newcastle so it's not like he was playing for Norwich and Oldham.Playing for Newcastle and Blackburn as well.
Who players played for seems to be overlooked when doing comparisons.
They were quite competitive but mainly because they had Alan Shearer up top.Both Rovers and Newcastle were quite competitive sides during his time there, well, at least early on for Newcastle so it's not like he was playing for Norwich and Oldham.
Still very impressive of course.
agreed. teams will have to get better at winning the coin toss otherwise city will be 1-0 at the start of every game.I could see him scoring a goal with every touch
I think teams will just forfeit and take the 3-0 loss rather than have Haaland score 87 goals a matchagreed. teams will have to get better at winning the coin toss otherwise city will be 1-0 at the start of every game.
Were gonna post the same, in his first 5-6 seasons Blackburn were a top 4 side so can compair to Spurs in modern times. He also got 16 champion leauge games in a time with fewer games and 31 Uefa cup games so both teams were right behind the top dogs in the leauge of the time.Both Rovers and Newcastle were quite competitive sides during his time there, well, at least early on for Newcastle so it's not like he was playing for Norwich and Oldham.
Still very impressive of course.
Vastly underestimated assist. If that was de bruyne everyone would be creaming over it .His pass for the second goal was top top class
It was impressive tbh. Not necessarily because it was a really hard pass to pull off or anything but more that he seemed to have already decided that he was going to clip it to the back post before he even received the ball, which says a lot about his reading of the game.His pass for the second goal was top top class
Yeah will never understand why Mourinho didn't want to listen when he was at Molde,whatever Jose's view on signing young playersThe guy is ridiculous and it's painfully annoying.
But, this is a City side who haven't even played with a proper striker for large parts of the past few years but create an insane amount of chances. You could have put any of the top level number 9s up there and they'd score goal after goal.
Had they got Kane last season, it wouldn't have been a case of, well, at least they didn't get Haaland but more talking about how Kane's ridiculous and it's painfully annoying.
One positive about him though is he is likely to inspire a whole new generation of proper strikers, which have been sorely missed from the game.
Maybe Milan, with their history in this competition, could win a final.It's gonna suck watching City win the treble. Arsenal will give them the league one way or another. They'll easily beat united in the FA Cup final or Sheffield. CL is the one tricky trophy. Real Madrid or maybe Napoli are the only hope of beating them. Haaland is gonna drag them to win it all.
He is not, the best player in the world. He is the best goalscorer.If City wins the CL, I think he should win the Balon d or.
He is definitely currently the best player in the worldHe is not, the best player in the world. He is the best goalscorer.
I don't get why people don't get the difference.
agreed.He is not, the best player in the world. He is the best goalscorer.
I don't get why people don't get the difference.
People can have different opinions to you.He is not, the best player in the world. He is the best goalscorer.
I don't get why people don't get the difference.
Some people don't understand that nuance. But yeah, he's a sensational scorer. Already the highest goal total in the Premier league era for an English club in all competitions. He's going to easily get 50 and have the highest total in the post WW2 era.He is not, the best player in the world. He is the best goalscorer.
I don't get why people don't get the difference.
Then name those players better than him who are currently playing in the game?!He is not, the best player in the world. He is the best goalscorer.
I don't get why people don't get the difference.
Weird comparison. Haaland is already so much better goalscorer than Inzaghi and Klose.Haaland is on his way to being one of the greatest poachers of all time! He has already goals but trophies are needed to be on the same table as Inzaghi and Klose for example.
Maybe the difference isn't as clear-cut as you think? Not that I'm agreeing he's the best player in the world, but he's an exceptional player in his position, and excels at precisely those aspects of the game that you'd most want in a striker. He doesn't have the broad range of skills and traits that you'd typically get from, say, a world class defensive midfielder, but then again, is it necessarily and by definition better to have a broad range of skills than to have an extreme level in the areas that matter most in your position? I think the bottom line here has to be that there is more than one way to be a great player, and that completeness isn't indisputably the measuring rod here.He is not, the best player in the world. He is the best goalscorer.
I don't get why people don't get the difference.
I can't agree with this - he is certainly the best goal scorer in the world and probably the most efficient player in the world - but the 'best player' I can't agree with that.He is definitely currently the best player in the world
For all of his many qualities this seems to be his strongest one in my opinion. His reading of the game is excellent, which guides his exceptional movement and allows him to make use of his pace and power etc.It was impressive tbh. Not necessarily because it was a really hard pass to pull off or anything but more that he seemed to have already decided that he was going to clip it to the back post before he even received the ball, which says a lot about his reading of the game.
I also thought his finish was good, he guided it past the keeper it into the net rather than thrashing at it.