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Heard on the news this morning that NK are looking to test a massive hydrogen bomb in response to the sanctions.

It's like a fecking schoolyard argument, as per usual with politicians, but this time with the danger of apocalypse. fecktards.
 

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Dotard is a great word.
That was my first reaction to his speech too :lol:

Seriously though its interesting that Kim is using the mainstream opinion of Trump against him, he's obviously well aware and wanted to do thid address in person for full impact. I'm not sure Kim can complain about threats though!
 

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Heard on the news this morning that NK are looking to test a massive hydrogen bomb in response to the sanctions.

It's like a fecking schoolyard argument, as per usual with politicians, but this time with the danger of apocalypse. fecktards.
You'd have to assume that would be the trigger for war and even China won't defend them after demonstrating such aggression.
 

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China have told their banks to stop doing business with N Korea supposedly.
 
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Anyone remember the Frankie Goes to Hollywood “Two Tribes” music video?

Words can’t express how much I’d enjoy watching these two fat pricks settle their differences in a similar style.
Nice reference :lol:

Sadly im sure Kim's interests go beyond Trump. His ordered assassinations demonstrate his fear of China for instance, the evil west is a perceived threat but its just as much the easiest proxy for all threats.

Id rather Kim uses this war of words as his escalation than further missle tests. If as some in here believe its just a power play then Kim will look for things to escalate one way or another
 

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-41391978

So nk says the USA has declared war and they reserve the right to shoot down planes even outside nk airspace...
The latest North Korean threat to shoot down US warplanes comes in the wake of a recent US patrol that took its B1-B Lancer bombers and their accompanying F-15 fighter escorts over waters to the east of North Korea - the furthest north US warplanes have flown for several months, albeit still outside Pyongyang's airspace.
When you consider this, I don't think it's as dramatic a statement as it sounds. Just a bluff to try and intimidate the US into not repeating such incursions.
 

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Kim and Trump. This will definitely wind up in some sort of military confrontation.
Surely that can only have one conclusion though? And by that I mean the destruction of Seoul. Even if nukes aren't used by either side, Kim will hit Seoul hard, and also the US bases in South Korea and probably Guam and Japan too. There is no good outcome imaginable from any kind of military action between the two dotards.
 

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If Nk does hit Seoul or Guam, they will be annihilated.
Exactly my point, so what will come of this then, if as @Raoul suggests that there will be some kind of military action? There is no way to think that Kim would just sit and let himself and his country be attacked, see his weapons disabled or see his troops killed, so therefore he must retaliate. It seriously is a no win scenario, especially for him and his country, but also, possibly for the rest of the world too.

Trump's dangerous rhetoric that he spouted at the UN coupled with his ignorance and his stupidity makes him dangerous. Yeah, I think it's 99% bluff with him, but he's so irrational and vindictive you just never know and there is always that uncertainty. However, the thing that worries me most about him is his BS and the way he speaks to other countries, they may take it as bluffs too, or they could genuinely take them as threats, or even worse, as insults and then force them to act first. One thing is quite clear, he's irresponsible and he's upset an awful lot of the world less than a year in to his Presidency. Can anyone honestly say they feel completely and totally safe and that war will be avoided for the remainder of his time in office?
 

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What will be the fallout from that? Pretty frightening to think how Russia and China would react to that.
I don't think China or Russia would react to that honestly - yes, if the US attacked NK first, but retaliating a strike against Seoul? An attack like that simply could not go without repercussions.
 

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I don't think China or Russia would react to that honestly - yes, if the US attacked NK first, but retaliating a strike against Seoul? An attack like that simply could not go without repercussions.
They would complain but nothing more, that would be a threesome with no winners especially if Russia was involved.
It’s more a case of the argument over who gets to “liberate” them. They don’t want a South led Republic of Korea because they don’t want the Americans having a foothold in that area.
 

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It’s more a case of the argument over who gets to “liberate” them. They don’t want a South led Republic of Korea because they don’t want the Americans having a foothold in that area.
Aye, that would be a mess.
 

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Exactly my point, so what will come of this then, if as @Raoul suggests that there will be some kind of military action? There is no way to think that Kim would just sit and let himself and his country be attacked, see his weapons disabled or see his troops killed, so therefore he must retaliate. It seriously is a no win scenario, especially for him and his country, but also, possibly for the rest of the world too.

Trump's dangerous rhetoric that he spouted at the UN coupled with his ignorance and his stupidity makes him dangerous. Yeah, I think it's 99% bluff with him, but he's so irrational and vindictive you just never know and there is always that uncertainty. However, the thing that worries me most about him is his BS and the way he speaks to other countries, they may take it as bluffs too, or they could genuinely take them as threats, or even worse, as insults and then force them to act first. One thing is quite clear, he's irresponsible and he's upset an awful lot of the world less than a year in to his Presidency. Can anyone honestly say they feel completely and totally safe and that war will be avoided for the remainder of his time in office?
No one is defending Trump.
He should shut his trap.
But pig face Kim also shot missiles into Japanese territorial waters And over Japan.
Imo That is a declaration of war.

If he pushes this, he would be directly responsible for the death of his people.
 

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It’s more a case of the argument over who gets to “liberate” them. They don’t want a South led Republic of Korea because they don’t want the Americans having a foothold in that area.
The US already has several footholds in the area. That's why I find the argument of China working against the US in a potential conflict due to being afraid of having a strong US presence next to them odd. NK is a major reason the US has a strong military presence there in the first place.
 

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The US already has several footholds in the area. That's why I find the argument of China working against the US in a potential conflict due to being afraid of having a strong US presence next to them odd. NK is a major reason the US has a strong military presence there in the first place.
It is sort of ironic especially considering who it was that armed, trained , encouraged and even fought with NK the first time around in the war NK started.
 

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It's been quiet ref nk for a little while now... but:

The trial continues...

And president trump is apparently about to declare Iran in non compliance of the nuclear deal despite the inspection agencies saying Iran is complying... which must make Kim even more sceptical about any potential deal (however slim than possibility was anyway)

So I hope I'm wrong but I expect more sabre rattling in the next couple of weeks... and fek knows what reaction from trump (anything from a mocking tweet to thermonuclear destruction of downtown Pyongyang I guess)
 

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It's been quiet ref nk for a little while now... but:

The trial continues...

And president trump is apparently about to declare Iran in non compliance of the nuclear deal despite the inspection agencies saying Iran is complying... which must make Kim even more sceptical about any potential deal (however slim than possibility was anyway)

So I hope I'm wrong but I expect more sabre rattling in the next couple of weeks... and fek knows what reaction from trump (anything from a mocking tweet to thermonuclear destruction of downtown Pyongyang I guess)
I love how you refuse to capitalize "Trump" :lol:
 

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The US already has several footholds in the area. That's why I find the argument of China working against the US in a potential conflict due to being afraid of having a strong US presence next to them odd. NK is a major reason the US has a strong military presence there in the first place.
It's a foothold in the literal sense. China is content with the odd aircraft carrier but if Korea ever reunified the US could stage troops and equipment right on the Chinese border.