This is the problem with the PL being a competitive league with lots of money.
So many wrongs in this.
Final position in the table doesn't really tell the whole story, it's a false narrative.
Horseshit. This is what you and geebs were saying, but the time that we give to the managers says differently.
I clearly said challenge for the big trophies. We did not. We finished 33 points below champions in his first full season, and 12 below in his second. That is not challenging in any universe. We got eliminated in the group stage of UCL. Again, not challenging.
Yup. We got it occasionally. We are getting routinely under Ole (1-6 vs Spurs, 0-5 vs Liverpool, 4-0 vs Everton etc)
Yup. A club that has won in this century more UCL than us in our entire history, while also winning more league titles. And playing better football. What is there to not like? They are also gonna win their league earlier than we are gonna win ours.
There is a 0% chance that will find legal precedent the way football contracts are written and more importantly understood.
It's not mental at all. It was quite obvious to many that was as good as it was going to get for both managers and so it has turned out.
These aren't achievements.
Agree.
Its obvious that some on here would sack the manager after every bad result never mind if they haven't won the league.
Barcelona are a really bad example.
Managers get paid to be sacked because being sacked is part of the job duties (you absorb the responsibilities of the players and the board).
The 2nd place was the best anyone expected before the season but there was an opportunity to mount a serious title challenge and put real pressure under City and he failed spectacularly. The games and attitude during the period after going top should've set alarming bells ringing around the club but they set the standards so low for Ole, nobody cared. I think he should've been sacked after the Europa final where he froze again and failed to make any tactical changes during the game. It was so clear then he had reached his ceiling.
I dont remember anyone asking for Jose to be sacked that summer - complete hindsight revisionism to claim it was obvious
Some on here is not a good measure for anything.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/josé-mourinho-2018-19-performances.440061/ His performance thread(July 2018) has the following in the first page:
Loads of people wanted him out in 2018/19 and loads of people were predicting an awful season. Not revisionism at all, but there was a feck ton of pessimism after finishing 2nd and led to a ton of arguing in here. One group just pointing to 2nd, the other pointing to how awful we actually were on the pitch, underlying stats, failure to win a trophy, Mourinhos behavior, etc. That summer was awful.
Reading through i thought the exact same thing, Overall we waste too much time and our style is dragging us back.
Yep.
The scary thing is, the current Molde manager has a higher ppg over a similar amount of games.
Lampard was sacked 25th January after finishing 4th the season beforehand and with the team in 6th place entering the 2nd half of the season.
Of course it fecking does, that's the whole whole reason for a league season. 38 games to decide who's the best, and not some random cup games.
You wanted him sacked end of first season when they only gave him the job the December before? Even if that's what you wanted you can't think the club acted slowly in that scenario. Not many sack a manager end of a season where they only appointed him halfway through.
Fair enough - I do remember the bad summer and lot of negativity right from the start but Id say the vast majority of fans would have wanted to stick with Jose at that point
Yup, exactly. I know that our club wouldn't ever do that, cause the entire club is a shrine to the manager, but it was the right decision back then and said so back then *. We were in a fight for UCL, but finished the season with 2 draws and 3 losses in the final five matches. He had 'steadied the ship' but his limitations were obvious.
We're top of the CL group by sheer luck and Ronaldo, and it's still touch and go. Just like a month ago people were saying Solskjaer is doing well because we're top, then just a point of the top, then just two points off... and now it's eight.
I'd disagree with this.
I think the biggest change against Mourinho came after we lost/completely outplayed to Sevilla in 2018. The end of the season after that felt stale and finished with losing the FA Cup final.
In other words, you are saying that we should trust the board (who have failed repeatedly since SAF's departure) and give them till the Summer to come up with a plan.
There was nothing tricky about judging whether Ole was good enough.
Hasn't Molde done better both times after he left though?
It's funny that we now have a DOF type thinking but not an actual DOF who my look beyond the easy big names as replacements.
