VP89
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I think the £300k wages is bullshit. And I'm quoting the poster who claimed a £15m fee + 150k wages a week isn't worth it.It’s not the £15M it’s the £300k a week wages.
I think the £300k wages is bullshit. And I'm quoting the poster who claimed a £15m fee + 150k wages a week isn't worth it.It’s not the £15M it’s the £300k a week wages.
I don’t know why you want to lump Ighalo in with mistakes of the past. He’s looked way better than Lukaku so far. Sure we’d rather get him for free but I highly doubt there’s a player who can give us two better years than we’d get from Ighalo for less money.Why should I do it ? Our scouts should come up just like they came up with this loan option.
I know one thing though - This is exactly what got us here - paying exorbitant wages to average players and struggling to move them later.
Really? So if I can't pull up alternative, I can't suggest if its overpaid or underpaid? Seriously??You don't need to explain anything to me. The only explanation you need is how you jumped to his wage+transfer fee being too much.
You can't offer alternatives because you say you're not a scout, but yet here you are claiming x is too much for transfer + wages for a player relative to what is available. Its just a bit of bullshit, really. If you know its too much you should be in a place to offer an alternative. The fact you can't shows you are unaware of his relative value, which means you have no place to suggest it is or isn't an overpayment.
And this is based on 3 games ? As things stand, he has showed nothing that he would be worth 35-40m for the next 3 years.I don’t know why you want to lump Ighalo in with mistakes of the past. He’s looked way better than Lukaku so far. Sure we’d rather get him for free but I highly doubt there’s a player who can give us two better years than we’d get from Ighalo for less money.
Yes a handful of games where he looked the part from the first minute. A handful of games where he looked better than anyone I can think of who would be available for £15 million and better than at least one guy who cost 5 times that amount. If you have some interesting players to lob into the debate, let’s hear them.And this is based on 3 games ? As things stand, he has showed nothing that he would be worth 35-40m for the next 3 years.
This.A few games, where he really showed that he was a better player than most of us would have thought. I thought it was better than no striker in, but I had no idea he would have such an impact.
And, he came from China rusty and unfit. These claims were made both Ighalo and his manager back in China, Sanchez Flores (former Watford as well). If we've only seen him unfit - Then I'd be happy to see us splashing £15-20M for 2 years with him as a backup/alternative.
A simple Google search gives me the following list who is earning less than this projected amount(120-140k) or in the similar range.Yes a handful of games where he looked the part from the first minute. A handful of games where he looked better than anyone I can think of who would be available for £15 million and better than at least one guy who cost 5 times that amount. If you have some interesting players to lob into the debate, let’s hear them.
Which one of those options would be happy to compete for a place? Plus the transfer fees for most of these players would not only be much higher but they`d want significant pay rises once Utd come calling so there aren`t that many better optionsA simple Google search gives me the following list who is earning less than this projected amount(120-140k) or in the similar range.
Son,Vardy,Jimenez,Lacazette,Giroud,Mane etc and this is the list from the richest league . Not to mention the players available in other leagues. So if you are saying, we wouldnt get a better option at the demanded wage, then i rest my case.
Maybe I'm misreading something but I think no, what you've quoted has nothing to do with wage at all. It's about players available for 15 million and you list Son and Mane because they earn 120-140k?A simple Google search gives me the following list who is earning less than this projected amount(120-140k) or in the similar range.
Son,Vardy,Jimenez,Lacazette,Giroud,Mane etc and this is the list from the richest league . Not to mention the players available in other leagues. So if you are saying, we wouldnt get a better option at the demanded wage, then i rest my case.
Larsson was shit, mostly because he was semi-retired at the age of 34 playing in Sweden, Ighalo is already one goal away from equalling Larsson's goal tally for United.He's been a real Larsson style figure since coming in. I'd be happy if he maintains this to see him stay as a high quality back-up striker, which is currently what he appears to be.
He's already one goal ahead, mate.Larsson was shit, mostly because he was semi-retired at the age of 34 playing in Sweden, Ighalo is already one goal away from equalling Larsson's goal tally for United.
Which one of those options would be happy to compete for a place? Plus the transfer fees for most of these players would not only be much higher but they`d want significant pay rises once Utd come calling so there aren`t that many better options
It isn't about those players. It's about the wage structure being properly enforced. We just can't keep giving exorbitant wages to players who will be a backup unless you are City or PSG. Put this way, when clubs play similar wages to the first teamers we will look like mugs when we play that wages to our backup players.Maybe I'm misreading something but I think no, what you've quoted has nothing to do with wage at all. It's about players available for 15 million and you list Son and Mane because they earn 120-140k?
I thought Larsson only scored two goals for Utd?Larsson was shit, mostly because he was semi-retired at the age of 34 playing in Sweden, Ighalo is already one goal away from equalling Larsson's goal tally for United.
Larsson was hardly shite. Okay he only scored 3 goals or whatever but we tried to sign him on a longer deal but he had already promised Helsingborg he would return. He said recently it’s a massive regret for him. Additionally the likes Fergie and other players have mentioned how much they appreciated what he brought to the side other than goals.Larsson was shit, mostly because he was semi-retired at the age of 34 playing in Sweden, Ighalo is already one goal away from equalling Larsson's goal tally for United.
On one hand you say it's the scout's job to find an alternative since according to you, there are better ones out there.Really? So if I can't pull up alternative, I can't suggest if its overpaid or underpaid? Seriously??
I was expecting a sane convo. Feel free to disagree and move on , buddy.
I hadn’t seen that.Where are you getting the 300K wages? It is reported that he is willing to take half a pay cut and that his wages would be 120K.
It's in the English newspaper. It's quoted that he is willing to accept a wage of around 120k per week.I hadn’t seen that.
Larsson was a very good striker, especially for Celtic.Larsson was hardly shite. Okay he only scored 3 goals or whatever but we tried to sign him on a longer deal but he had already promised Helsingborg he would return. He said recently it’s a massive regret for him. Additionally the likes Fergie and other players have mentioned how much they appreciated what he brought to the side other than goals.
I think you are doing him a massive disservice saying his time here was shite.
Mata is probably earning the same amount for doing the exact same role so I don't get this fuss about the wage thing, Will he be good enough for us for 2 years is the matter for management to decide. For know he looks a very good second option to have in the squad and will let Greenwood come through on normal pace without hurrying and playing him too much.It's in the English newspaper. It's quoted that he is willing to accept a wage of around 120k per week.
Nah he was class. His best years were spent playing in Scotland but he always impressed for Sweden. One of the best players I've ever seen play.Larsson was a very good striker, especially for Celtic.
However, he was awful in his cameo for United. Really bad. Barely even touched the ball and scored 2 goals.
The salient point is that if you want to spend less money on fee and wages than we’d need to spend on Ighalo, you get a worse player. That’s all.It isn't about those players. It's about the wage structure being properly enforced. We just can't keep giving exorbitant wages to players who will be a backup unless you are City or PSG. Put this way, when clubs play similar wages to the first teamers we will look like mugs when we play that wages to our backup players.
You're right, I was under the impression it was 4 for some reason. Ighalo has already scored more than him.I thought Larsson only scored two goals for Utd?
Mane is not on £140k. Very well mentioning the wage but ignoring the fact that most of the players mentioned would take a huge transfer fee.Son,Vardy,Jimenez,Lacazette,Giroud,Mane etc and this is the list from the richest league . Not to mention the players available in other leagues. So if you are saying, we wouldnt get a better option at the demanded wage, then i rest my case.
Man, why do you have to be so condescending? MUFC deals in transfers in accordance with its financial performance, and standing in world football. The price for a player to Manchester United is by default more expensive than say Bornemouth. The wage scale is determined by the clubs operating budget. The transfer powers of the club is determined by it's EBIDTA. The transfer fee and salary is just one part of it. You also include Agent fees, sign on fees and cost of image rights into the total financial package which is then amortized over the length of the players contract.Ok,looks like there is some explanation to be done - Any transfer's financial impact is purely based on transfer fees + wages. No one typically stops at transfer fees and say,its a great deal. That's the reason why the Sanchez deal is considered to be the worst ever even if it was a free deal.
Agree, he brings more value to the team than Jones . He is not going to come on a 2 year deal. We are definitely looking at least a 3 year deal. I mean he is sacrificing a huge contract and he is not going to agree for a small duration.
Think for the wages, we could do better and we would regret offering a huge deal for a player.
I agree. I'm far from an expert in football finance but that kind of deal for Ighalo doesn't sound too bad to me. It certainly wouldn't bust our wage structure the way Sanchez's deal and to a lesser extent De Gea and Pogba's have.On one hand you say it's the scout's job to find an alternative since according to you, there are better ones out there.
On the other hand you can't actually be sure of this because you're not a scout (obviously this is fair enough). But yet, you seem to have a weird grasp of what is too much monetary value to attach to a player? Where does this come from? How is the £15m and £150k pw approach to Ighalo too much? Do you have an appetite in your mind of what is an acceptable figure, and where does it come from? Again it must be relative right?
For example when Young was earning £150k per week I was disgusted since we had players in the squad on less who had deserved more in a United shirt. I look at Ighalo and I can't think of many players who would earn below that figure with a similar of output anyway.
It is a steal at 15m and 120K wages per week. He has already scored 4 goals and created a lot of trouble for the opposition too.I would buy him for 15m and 120k a week wages for 2 years + an option for a further year. We wont get a better striker in for that money. Depending on the season and corona, maybe even no CL. And we need to invest in an expensive RW (e.g. Sancho, Chiesa) and a DM (e.g. Zakaria) in the summer at least. If Pogba leaves, then another midfielder (e.g. Grealish).
And more importantly allowed rest for the likes of Martial as well as a kick in terms of competition.It is a steal at 15m and 120K wages per week. He has already scored 4 goals and created a lot of trouble for the opposition too.
I'm willing to believe he did, he just changed the story for the sake of modesty. Ighalo was naked. And enthusiastic. And no one can blame him. Unless somone proves otherwise, this is the reality I'm going with.I'm going to subtract one point for not barging into the translator's room buck naked. Otherwise full score.
Yes this is what I have read. He was on 240K/wk equivalent in China so had to, and probably willing to, take a 50% wage cut.I think the £300k wages is bullshit. And I'm quoting the poster who claimed a £15m fee + 150k wages a week isn't worth it.