Old Trafford revamp/could be torn down and rebuilt according to Glazer plans

What’s your preference for Old Trafford?

  • Rebuild

    Votes: 714 48.4%
  • Renovate

    Votes: 736 49.9%
  • Leave it as is

    Votes: 26 1.8%

  • Total voters
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stevoc

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Does it have to be the exact same site? Would across the road where the car parks are (or at least used to be)

For true historical reasons maybe we should build a stadium at North Road or Bank Street, no way can we then be deemed not in Manchester!!
If we want to still call it Old Trafford I would have thought so.
 

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Hmm. I get the feeling that some fans who have maybe only visited it occasionally (if ever) genuinely believe that it’s a historic building.
You have to take age into account as well though. I'm 40 went to my first match I think in 95-96 went fairly regularly until 5 years ago. Between 96 and 2018 it's been largely the same stadium bar the expansions on the east and west stands and a few other alterations.

Absolutely!

It will take some ingenuity though. The site is constrained not only by the railway to the south, but the canal to the north and the Freightliner terminal to the west. The land on which the latter stands is, I believe, owned by the club. Presumably the terminal has it on a long lease; it’s incredibly busy, as anyone who has witnessed the long slow freight trains trundling through Oxford Road throughout the day will know. Relocating it would probably cost as much as a new stadium.
Yeah I think that train terminal would be a big problem for the club with regards to any plans to build over it. I don't see how it could be moved.
 

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That is a lot of work required for a refurbishment and would require us to move in the mean time whereas we could begin construction adjacent and over time replace the current stadium slowly.

I get that people are attached, I remember being a wee lad and moving to a new house. But over time that house became a home. It's time to let go and embrace progress. Lest we be left behind. Heck, uefa don't even ask us to host their finals anymore.
I don't know if the team would have to move at all with a phased refurbishment or rebuild. The club didn't have to move when any of the stands were rebuilt or expanded in 92, 95, 99, 00 or 05-06. The only stand that might have trouble with access is the South stand.

UEFA didn't ask United to host any finals in the 70's or 80's either before all the renovation work on OT in the 90's.
 
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I don't know if the team would have to move at all with a phased refurbishment or rebuild. The club didn't have to move when any of the stands were rebuilt or expanded in 92, 95, 99, 00 or 05-06. The only stand that might have trouble with access is the South stand.

UEFA didn't ask United to host any finals in the 70's or 80's either before all the renovation work on OT in the 90's.
The main stand I would imagine would be problematic, access to that would appear to be very limited, in today's world of 'elf & safety I could see that being a big issue
 

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Yeah it’s weird that people are so sentimental about a building which some of the most joyous and iconic moments in their life have happened.
It’s been variously built and rebuilt throughout all that time. If we individually rebuilt the stands again as we did through the 90’s and 2000’s does that make it the same ground?
 

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I go every week and I genuinely see it as an iconic stadium steeped in history.

Yes of course it has been renovated plenty of times, but in another post I referred to Green Bay in the US whose stadium is 100% iconic but it's still been renovated a few times.

It is not a odd concept that a lot of fans, even those that go every week, see it as a part of our identity as a club. It's a proper football stadium.
If the stand you sit in was fully torn down and rebuilt then what are you holding onto? It’s the team and memories on the pitch that make it iconic.

When fans say new stadiums are quiet or soulless it’s because it’s coincided with teams dropping out of the trophy winning contention (e.g Arsenal). They don’t talk about the great atmospheres at places like Atletico. They don’t talk about hugely successful new stadiums like Brighton and Brentford which coincided with their progress.
 

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If the stand you sit in was fully torn down and rebuilt then what are you holding onto? It’s the team and memories on the pitch that make it iconic.

When fans say new stadiums are quiet or soulless it’s because it’s coincided with teams dropping out of the trophy winning contention (e.g Arsenal). They don’t talk about the great atmospheres at places like Atletico. They don’t talk about hugely successful new stadiums like Brighton and Brentford which coincided with their progress.
Well City are the opposite, they won next to bugger all at Maine Road

The new designs and construction materials may have something to do with it though

I remember going to Ewood Park years go, it was a Friday night in the FA Cup live on the BBC when live matches were like 3-4 a season so probably late 80's, the away end was just a small stand, with a corrugated tin roof which was only about 10 feet above us, probably held 2-3000 but boy the noise in there was just incredible, the sound just bounced off the roof
 

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I told Midjourney to make us a stadium fit for oil. :lol:

Presenting..... Gold Trafford, or variations of it at least.





The fourth one... Change the gold to silver/white and you've got a nice looking stadium right there.
 

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It’s been variously built and rebuilt throughout all that time. If we individually rebuilt the stands again as we did through the 90’s and 2000’s does that make it the same ground?

It’s the handle has been replaced 6 times and it’s had 8 new heads but other than that it’s the same.
 

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It’s depressing to think we’ll all be like 15 years older than now by the time a new stadium would be built and ready.
 

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It’s depressing to think we’ll all be like 15 years older than now by the time a new stadium would be built and ready.
Depends on how much of priority it is for the new owners but it won’t take more than 2 or 3 years once it’s approved.
 

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It’s depressing to think we’ll all be like 15 years older than now by the time a new stadium would be built and ready.
By the time the Glazers sell, the new owners make their plans, get the plans (which takes years) and then the building (also years)
Plans have already been drawn up, it’ll be done in less than 5 years. 2-3 I’d say
 

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Plans have already been drawn up, it’ll be done in less than 5 years. 2-3 I’d say
That depends if the new owners are happy with the Glazers's proposals. Barca's new presidents kept on scrapping old proposals and Chelsea aren't exactly going to go back to Herzog and de Meuron's plans. I suspect new owners will want their own vision implemented.
 
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I’d love the new stadium to be 100,500 capacity would be great if we were the first club in the modern era to hit 6 figures attendances every home game
 

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Old Trafford is a Cathedral. I do the sign of the cross as I pass it on the train on the way to Deansgate station and I’m not even religious.

You don’t tear down a Cathedral and build a modern one in it’s place.

I don’t want to see us build another soulless carbon copy new stadium and beckme like everyone else. Surely the best arthitects in the world can do better than that and we should hire the best
 

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All for a full rebuild. Just don't make it soulless bowl. 100k too.
 

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All for a full rebuild. Just don't make it soulless bowl. 100k too.
I'm not convinced 100K is needed in the future, the days of people going to every game will start to dwindle IMO, the new generation of fans comes from the traditions of fathers taking sons to the game and that is pretty much gone now, kids pick a team (and change them) based on success + there's too many other distractions, I could be wrong of course but there's no way I could do what my Dad or Granddad did solely based on cost
 

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Hmm. I get the feeling that some fans who have maybe only visited it occasionally (if ever) genuinely believe that it’s a historic building.
What a weirdly cnuty thing to say. A season ticket holder (me) could just as easily that only people that rarely go to OT (if ever), or that aren't as connected to OT, don't see it as a historic place and are therefore happy to see it knocked down and replaced.
 

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I'm not convinced 100K is needed in the future, the days of people going to every game will start to dwindle IMO, the new generation of fans comes from the traditions of fathers taking sons to the game and that is pretty much gone now, kids pick a team (and change them) based on success + there's too many other distractions, I could be wrong of course but there's no way I could do what my Dad or Granddad did solely based on cost
Same things were said 30 years ago and yet here we are, with a bigger demand for tickets over the past couple of years than the previous 20 despite the team being shite.
 

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What a weirdly cnuty thing to say. A season ticket holder (me) could just as easily that only people that rarely go to OT (if ever), or that aren't as connected to OT, don't see it as a historic place and are therefore happy to see it knocked down and replaced.
You're not wrong, but for me the connection is kind of already gone, the stadium of my memories and connections is long gone, if you transported someone from today back to 1990 they wouldn't even recognize the place and the reverse is also true
 

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You're not wrong, but for me the connection is kind of already gone, the stadium of my memories and connections is long gone, if you transported someone from today back to 1990 they wouldn't even recognize the place and the reverse is also true
Everybody has their own connection to the ground of course. I just dislike the way that fella tried to belittle anyone that is hesitant to get on board with knocking OT down based on the random and bullshit assumption that they haven't ever visited.