Please don't talk sense to the anti Ole brigade.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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This is true.....but then you are talking about a guy who got sacked by PSG for being behind Lille at Xmas last season. He's not infallible either clearly.
Ole had a mare tonight but his players let him down massively.
As long as he finishes top 4, the Glazers and his shills on here will be more than happy to see him remain in charge.
Lingard's mistake is on him, but Lingard has never played that holding position in his life, yet he was put there in place of Fred for the last 5 minutes, that's on Solskjaer. That pass stinks of positional inexperience.
Old Yeller your time has come unfortunately
To be fair, his and the teams reaction to the red was poor, the tactical switch a tad too careful, and the subs were kind of dumbfounding. There are mitigating factors, but Ole has to take a portion of the blame for the result.
That being said, a lot of people have clearly been champing at the bit, waiting for the opportunity to really lay into him.
The sending off was not his fault, but going negative and putting us in a position to be under pressure leads to mistakes.
Someone who can teach these players to keep the ball and pass and move effectively. We are pub level at it with the slightest bit of pressure, that is a failure of coaching.
Nothing would give me greater pleasure than to be wrong, but from what i have seen i think we will struggle to win something. We are not consistent enough. We play well two games and then play bad another two.
Aside from that 5-1 Leeds dubbing can anyone really say we look good so far this season? A woeful Southampton held us to a 1-1 draw when we should of went into that game absolutely flying. You look at the exciting squad we've got now and the excitement on top of that with Ronaldo coming back and think 'this lot should be buzzing' but we continue to look totally labored. I'm not sure you can put it down to anything besides something clearly not working with our manager and his staff when we can't even ride off momentum if nothing else.
Even if we choose to defend, at least try to make sense with our set up. We have been having too many terrible result out of 5 at the back than impressive one out of it, and our manager still decide to go for it. And by doing that with 10 men, meaning abandon midfield and kill off any of our own attack. It's not just defensive or possession based football. It's clueless.
Is this for real ?
Did you actually watch the last game of the group ?I wish more people have some sense like you.
They think football is like FIFA, you have better team, you should win regardless of what happened today.
Fecking bellends these lot.
They write off Ole because 'they know it'. Stupidest thing I read in my life.
That last part is a bit false isnt it, when posters have criticism even when we win despite poor level of performances, they are accused of always wanting to criticise Ole and we won so therefore everything is perfect. If there is criticism after a loss, they are called knee-jerk anyway.
No one has come out of hiding.
I don't think Ole should be sacked this very moments but the criticism is there even when we do win matches.
If we go Gung ho and get beaten 3-1 Ole would also be getting it in the neck.
It was a bad performance, the players made mistakes, Ole made some mistakes - its just one game and doesn't define the season.
Move on. In Ole we trust
It was a bad performance, the players made mistakes, Ole made some mistakes - its just one game and doesn't define the season.
Move on. In Ole we trust
I think people forget how dire some of the early European away games were even under Fergie. If we scrape a draw today we move on and nobody questions Ole. It was unfortunate but let's reserve judgement for the end of the season
Lingard shouldn't have been put in Fred's position for the last 5 minutes, when has he ever played there? Like I've just said, the pass stinks of inexperience of playing that deep role, it's an absolute howler from Lingard but Solskjaer has fecked up by not having Fred see the game out in that position instead. One example of the many dumb tactical decisions made by Solskjaer.
Or master pattern of play Pep failing to win CL final.
Completely agree, has been apparent since Bruno came as well, hoping he'll pull us out the muck and make Ole look like he knows what he's doing tactically.
There's no way, no way, with even 10 men we shouldn't lost or drawn tonight. Taking a CM off for a CB and leaving Pogba on the LW was suicidal.
The worst thing is, Ole doesn't look like he's learning with his subs and in game management, it was a complete clusterfeck tonight
The bright spark that decided to hand Ole a new contract needs to go along with him. When no one, and I mean absolutely no one, is showing interest in hiring your manager in the final year of contract, to then award him a new contract is the epitome of bad business acumen.
He was playing AM. It is normal to come deep and get the ball.
It is called "Trying to get involved".
Ronaldo, Bruno, Pogba and Varane won't be happy with just top 4.
they have a winning mentality which could ultimately cause trouble for Ole in the long run
We do?
What? I am trying to imply that Nagelsman is a much better manager than OleIs this for real ?
Last season Ole did beat Nagelsman and if i remember correctly that was the proof that Ole in supporters needed so they could claim that Nagelsman is just a hipster manager instead of a good manager.
Plenty of teams go down to 10 men and work with it. Look at Chelsea last week at Anfield. When the sending off happened Ole was like a rabbit in the headlights. Clueless game management. Just like PSG last year, just like the europa league final. Our last two games in Europe we have to lost to Young Boys and Villa Real. And we are challengers for the premier league and champions league?
He has done a fantastic job turning the club around. The atmosphere last Saturday was the best i have experienced at OT since the Blackburn game in 93. For that he can always take credit. The club was a complete shit show when he took over. But at the very top level, where margins are fine and in game decisions need to be made and to be correct, where trophies need to be won, he is sadly not in the top drawer.
He has done a fantastic job turning the club around. The atmosphere last Saturday was the best i have experienced at OT since the Blackburn game in 93. For that he can always take credit. The club was a complete shit show when he took over. But at the very top level, where margins are fine and in game decisions need to be made and to be correct, where trophies need to be won, he is sadly not in the top drawer.
Because Ole doesn't like to win?
Pogba will be gone at some point in the next eight months. The others will grumble, but as long as we're top 4, it will fall on deaf ears.
Doesn't rock the boat, won't moan if he doesn't get a midfielder, publicly defends the owners in the face of fan protest. He's going nowhere, sadly. He'll be the manager for years to come.
Well Wagner's team looked drilled and organised with a purpose.
This is professional football, there is no room for any margin of error, a well coached team will give you issues despite your talent pool if you depend on individualism.
...You would think Real Madrid or Barcelona trying to offer Ole to leave his beloved club as a realistic offer.
Why would they waste their time writing emails, contracts, hire lawyers for someone they know wouldn't be interested.
Stupid.
You think Real Madrid would try to lure Sir Alex with money, no? Why waste your time like that?
Even better what do you think Ole will say on his press conference with Real Madrid?
"I love United, but managing Real Madrid has always been my dream since I've first started playing FM."
I think he wants to win, but has yet to show he can manage a team to win.
Watch the last 5 minutes again, Lingard is as deep as Pogba for all of it.
Compare stats between the 2 games.
Freak result happens. However, the approach, the long term vision, philosophy is not even comparable. Will be hard for Ole to beat CL triumph, trying to mimic how other managers' freak result.
Nail on the head really. Ole did make some questionable decisions this evening but this pile on is obscene.
Forgetting about today and going down to ten men, I think Ole generally tries to be far too clever with his subs. Most times the obvious changes are the right changes to make. He rarely makes like for like subs. Instead each change requiring a change in shape of the team. How many times do we fail to make chances once the subs start?
Going back to tonight, normally if a defender is sent off, it’s a forward that pays the price. He did take Sancho off when arguably it should have been Ronaldo but he obviously didn’t want to take off our talisman.
None of the subs after half time made sense. Pogba + Fred doesn’t work. Going five at the back just brought Young Boys on to us. Keeping numbers in midfield would have allowed us to have more possession. Instead we were hanging on.
Going back to tonight, normally if a defender is sent off, it’s a forward that pays the price. He did take Sancho off when arguably it should have been Ronaldo but he obviously didn’t want to take off our talisman.
None of the subs after half time made sense. Pogba + Fred doesn’t work. Going five at the back just brought Young Boys on to us. Keeping numbers in midfield would have allowed us to have more possession. Instead we were hanging on.
Ronaldo against Newcastle, he was receiving ball from Maguire.
....win trophies? He came closer and closer.
Think we need to actually get to a CL final before dishing that kind of comment out, don’t you think?
Granted Ole didn’t get AWB sent off but it’s his job as manager to sort / fix the problem . He did until half time and then succeeded to lose his marbles by leaving Fred alone in midfield . This loss is on him
Yeah that clearly doesn't count
Perhaps our last game where we smashed Newcastle 4-1?
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