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Please don't. In the worst case scenario, he'll walk out with a nice compensation cheque and he'll find work somewhere else. And no matter what happens, even if it all blows to hell, he will always remain an absolute legend of a player as far as the fans are concerned. In my eyes, nothing will change that, not even if he has us in the relegation zone by December. And he inherited this mess, he did not create it himself. Let us not forget this. What he does with it is a different question.

But he has to use this appreciation to his own advantage. He doesn't have either the pedigree or the experience but his undeniable love for the club can potentially create a shield around him and help him make (some of) the crucial decisions which will eventually see United escape the mess they're in atm. He's not as dogmatic as LvG to start giving debuts left, right and centre instead of adjusting his philosophy (while some called it giving youth a chance, to me it seemed more like throwing everything against the wall hoping something will stick) and he's not as petulant as Mourinho who started his tenure here with the infamous "i need 4 specialists" quote only to sound like the boy who cried wolf when he finally realised that this team needs a new spine before we can start talking about the last finishing touches that will take it to the next level.

I believe that this is his chance, if not to succeed, to be the first manager in the post-Ferguson era who'll leave a positive mark behind him when he leaves. He can force changes and the fans will be in his corner defending him. And he must understand that one of the things that made the man he so admires such a huge success for a quarter of the century was his ruthlessness. Yes, give youth a chance but there's also no way Rashford's agent would have exited Fergie's office in one piece if he had put the rumoured salary demands on the table. Keep your British core but also make sure that you won't spend a big chunk of the season with a back-four that consists of Young/Smalling/Jones as its main components. Pogba wants to jump off the ship? You can tell him to close the door on his way out and score lots of credibility points but only if you've planned a new midfield. Not if you've already told Woodward that you will try to do your best with what you have to work with. And finally, for all his talent, Martial's long due a bollocking. These are all issues (deadwood, wage structure, poor recruiting) that we've left unsolved and they've started to stink the place. And they won't go away just by adding a couple of young and hungry players or by offering the ones we have here unbelievable money.
So far he has shown to be a yes man more than anything. I doubt he will leave a positive mark tbh. That won't have any effect over his legendary status as a player - make no mistake. Ole the manager and the player are two separate things and failing won't make him less likeable.

However in this brief stint he most probably will add some "young hungry British players" that won't be of use to the next manager. He doesn't have a recognized style neither the ability and character to make a global change to how United is run(most probably with Woodward no one has at the moment).

We will be rebuilding come the same time next year after another interim manager takes over in the spring.

Everyone was saying give him a preseason and it's in 2 weeks time - he will have James - an unproven youngster from the Championship and no Herrera so far. DDG, Pogba and Lukaku might leave - no replacements in sight.

All in all the time he will be given will make IMO literally no difference to the awful form we already saw in the end of the season.

Then come September we will be hearing the same old excuses - players, no quality transfers, not a good preseason, players again look gassed, etc..
 

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The only way for him to survive long term is to take command of things under his control. Now.

He needs help on almost every department. A must is a new professional fitness coach and someone with tactical experience on the highest level. He need a new captain. At least six seven starters who believe in his methods, otherwise he’s a lame duck from the very first second.

He needs at least four new starters, probably five if he wants to do better then last season. If Pogba and Lukaku goes even five is not enough. That’s a lot to handle if you’re a rookie on this level.

Ole Gunnar needs a experienced mentor who’s an expert on management to help him. Not Sir Alex, he needs someone who’s outside the club. Probably outside football. That is a must if he wants to be on the same wavelength as Woodward and the owners. Being a good manager is one thing, talking business and future visions is another ball game. Ole isn’t a Alpha, more a nice guy with a friendly smile. Hopefully he understand that only the strongest survive so being ruthless must be more then strong words.

I really wish him the best. Honestly, I’m skeptical, but if he succeeds I’m the first to applaud him. This is a massive task. When both Mou and Van Gaal struggled then you know how hard this challenge is.
 

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I have a few theories about Ole and the board:

First is that the contract offers to Young, Jones et al. were already on the table, and as soon as Ole signed on they quickly accepted them before they could be withdrawn. I base this on common sense, as those types of players would obviously try to stay at the club above all since away from the club would only be a downgrade for them.

Second is that both Ole and the board were fooled by the new manager bounce into thinking that the players were better than they actually were. Ole then accepted a contract offer with the caveat that he would be able to work with the existing players, but later realized his mistake but couldn't go back on it. The change in his demeanour towards the players after his contract signing is what I base this on.

Lastly is that the board probably want to wait and see what Ole can do with the current players before they sanction big money. I base this on Ole's talk of "one or two players with potential" which is probably not what we need right now, and not the way the board usually likes to operate. This is related to the second point.

As I said, these are all theories but they make sense given the timeline of events and the logicality of it. And if accurate, unless Ole is actually a genius manager, I wouldn't expect too much from the current transfer window or upcoming season.
 
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So far he has shown to be a yes man more than anything. I doubt he will leave a positive mark tbh. That won't have any effect over his legendary status as a player - make no mistake. Ole the manager and the player are two separate things and failing won't make him less likeable.

However in this brief stint he most probably will add some "young hungry British players" that won't be of use to the next manager. He doesn't have a recognized style neither the ability and character to make a global change to how United is run(most probably with Woodward no one has at the moment).

We will be rebuilding come the same time next year after another interim manager takes over in the spring.

Everyone was saying give him a preseason and it's in 2 weeks time - he will have James - an unproven youngster from the Championship and no Herrera so far. DDG, Pogba and Lukaku might leave - no replacements in sight.

All in all the time he will be given will make IMO literally no difference to the awful form we already saw in the end of the season.

Then come September we will be hearing the same old excuses - players, no quality transfers, not a good preseason, players again look gassed, etc..
Well, that's a very grim and dark view on things. I won't tell you that you're a doomsayer since i believe that aren't many things to be positive about United and i think that Solskjaer will eventually realise that the whole situation is way over his head. But i'm also pretty sure that he won't just give up and wait to be sacked like Mourinho did. My hope is that he'll fight and that he will push for some significant changes. Maybe i'm wrong. We'll see.
 

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I thought we have hit rock bottom this season. With our better players DDG, Pogba, Lukaku, Herrera want out of the club and I don't think the club structure have the capability to replace them let alone we actually need more players to improve the team without this exodus. So far we only signed 1 unproven youngster. Ed and Ole are not the right person to lead us out of this mess. Next season going to be worse.
"Could" be worse.
I don't think it's guaranteed yet.

But it will be if we don't bring the right players - we're at a huge cross roads.

One of my biggest fears is that Ole is putting too much faith in Rashford.
Van Gaal found out what happens when you back the wrong striker.

Rashy needs to have stepped up a level over the summer.
 

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Whats going on at Utd has nothing to do with Ole. Ed and the Glazers have done the same thing to 4 managers since Fergie retired.
Not true. We have had big signings over the last couple of years and always something to look forward to. This time around we will struggle to get class players in. Ole won't be able to attract big names. Doesn't need to be a bad thing. Signing unproven youngsters with a lot of hunger is always a good thing as well. But not when your best players potentially leave in the same summer and you need to replace them.
 

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Well, that's a very grim and dark view on things. I won't tell you that you're a doomsayer since i believe that aren't many things to be positive about United and i think that Solskjaer will eventually realise that the whole situation is way over his head. But i'm also pretty sure that he won't just give up and wait to be sacked like Mourinho did. My hope is that he'll fight and that he will push for some significant changes. Maybe i'm wrong. We'll see.
Nah, Ed won't allow it - he wants control and won't back down.

That is one of the reason why I didn't want someone like Ole managing us as he will have no say. Not necessarily someone like Jose could have more of a say, but one can hope eh? :)
 

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Not true. We have had big signings over the last couple of years and always something to look forward to. This time around we will struggle to get class players in. Ole won't be able to attract big names. Doesn't need to be a bad thing. Signing unproven youngsters with a lot of hunger is always a good thing as well. But not when your best players potentially leave in the same summer and you need to replace them.
They gave Moyes, Fellaini and Mata and said compete. LVG got a whole lot of nothing plus some very doutable big names. Jose got one window a new contract and then nothing. This club will offer Ole the same shit. Nothing has changed and I dont get why people thought it would by different? Ole or anyone else.
 

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For those that do believe Solskjear should have stayed on, if we go into next season with James, Martial, Mata, Lingard, Rashford, a back up striker to Rashford and Greenwood being giving the odd few chances/minutes and the team is clearly struggling around November like it was last season, would you still back him to be allowed to see out the season or have no sympathy of his job being on the line for being naive to put faith in such an attack?
 

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For those that do believe Solskjear should have stayed on, if we go into next season with James, Martial, Mata, Lingard, Rashford, a back up striker to Rashford and Greenwood being giving the odd few chances/minutes and the team is clearly struggling around November like it was last season, would you still back him to be allowed to see out the season or have no sympathy of his job being on the line for being naive to put faith in such an attack?
Would be patient if we begin to see a hint of an iota of a modicum of tactical organisation in our buildup consistently. Yep, bar is now that low. Want him to succeed but all I see is a guy giving his best impression of SAF
 

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The job after sir Alex was supposed to be the impossible job and it still feels impossible and that's down to the board. They have not shown that they have the hunger to compete. So Ole is on a hiding to nothing. What people need is the truth and for the club to be sold.
 

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I have a few theories about Ole and the board:

First is that the contract offers to Young, Jones et al. were already on the table, and as soon as Ole signed on they quickly accepted them before they could be withdrawn. I base this on common sense, as those types of players would obviously try to stay at the club above all since away from the club would only be a downgrade for them.

Second is that both Ole and the board were fooled by the new manager bounce into thinking that the players were better than they actually were. Ole then accepted a contract offer with the caveat that he would be able to work with the existing players, but later realized his mistake but couldn't go back on it. The change in his demeanour towards the players after his contract signing is what I base this on.

Lastly is that the board probably want to wait and see what Ole can do with the current players before they sanction big money. I base this on Ole's talk of "one or two players with potential" which is probably not what we need right now, and not the way the board usually likes to operate. This is related to the second point.

As I said, these are all theories but they make sense given the timeline of events and the logicality of it. And if accurate, unless Ole is actually a genius manager, I wouldn't expect too much from the current transfer window or upcoming season.
There is a quote floating around on here from Ole, where he stated during his time as caretaker, that he was already involved in contract negotiations and team plans going forward.

EDIT: http://www.redcafe.net/threads/ole-gunnar-solskjær-permanent-manager.446090/page-236#post-24287260
 
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There is a quote floating around on here from Ole, where he stated during his time as caretaker, that he was already involved in contract negotiations and team plans going forward.

EDIT: http://www.redcafe.net/threads/ole-gunnar-solskjær-permanent-manager.446090/page-236#post-24287260
The article states he tried to convince Martial and De Gea, succeeding with the former. It doesn't say anything about him being involved with Jones and Young, but words it in a way that you automatically think that is the case.

In any case, even if he was involved with those players it was probably minimal; I'm sure it was just a final approval sort of thing, because contract negotiations usually take time and thus would have started earlier. Also, I can slightly excuse him as it was during the honeymoon period, where he was probably oblivious to the players' true quality and unfortunately they signed on quickly before the offer could be withdrawn.
 

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I feel sorry for Ole... he must have been promised the world in terms of transfer by the board, and will get nothing. It is typical Ed Woodward. Only way he survives this is to come out and resign before the season, or to say this is absolutely unacceptable. I think it will take something drastic before changes happen.
So disappointed in the board, biggest club becoming the biggest laughing stock. Actually tying to think why anyone would want to manage this club? Fans will back you but that will not take you far.
 

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Extending Mata? I thought you were going to be ruthless? I thought there was nowhere to hide? As big a shit talker as Jose.
 

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The article states he tried to convince Martial and De Gea, succeeding with the former. It doesn't say anything about him being involved with Jones and Young, but words it in a way that you automatically think that is the case.

In any case, even if he was involved with those players it was probably minimal; I'm sure it was just a final approval sort of thing, because contract negotiations usually take time and thus would have started earlier. Also, I can slightly excuse him as it was during the honeymoon period, where he was probably oblivious to the players' true quality and unfortunately they signed on quickly before the offer could be withdrawn.
Evidently.
 

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Wow. Just read the last few pages, some of you don't have spout some made up overly negative bull.
 

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Apart from getting the players to run more I have no idea what he is trying to do.
 

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Less than 4 weeks until pre season. Was just looking at his interviews from the end of the season. " we want all our signing here before pre season" "players will not be here"
Did Ed get to this guy? Did he become a corporate yes guy? I mean wtf is going on. We need minimum 5 first team players to come. We finished 30+points behind last season. So far we have not signed a single first team player.
 

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Less than 4 weeks until pre season. Was just looking at his interviews from the end of the season. " we want all our signing here before pre season" "players will not be here"
Did Ed get to this guy? Did he become a corporate yes guy? I mean wtf is going on. We need minimum 5 first team players to come. We finished 30+points behind last season. So far we have not signed a single first team player.
James?
 

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Apart from getting the players to run more I have no idea what he is trying to do.
Play with pace and intensity attacking football, like he did for 14 games before the crap stamina of the squad ended it all.
 

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You seriously think he is going to be a first team player?
Just wait for it.

We aren't remotely linked with a RW from what I see and looks more and more likely he'll feature prominently next year as we really don't have any other option.
 

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Just wait for it.

We aren't remotely linked with a RW from what I see and looks more and more likely he'll feature prominently next year as we really don't have any other option.
Worrying if we would consider him to be a first choice. Also we have just extended Mata for another 3 years
 

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Worrying if we would consider him to be a first choice. Also we have just extended Mata for another 3 years
Exactly. Sancho is pretty much dead in the water. We could've been working on a deal for another RW in the background but literally no report or indication linking us to any player of that ilk.

We might sign AWB which means we should definitely be on the market for RW if we don't consider James as first teamer.
 

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Exactly. Sancho is pretty much dead in the water. We could've been working on a deal for another RW in the background but literally no report or indication linking us to any player of that ilk.

We might sign AWB which means we should definitely be on the market for RW if we don't consider James as first teamer.
Honestly speaking I think we are in free fall. No champions league football, a team that needs a major rebuild and unlikely to challenge for the next 2-3 years and a manager who lets be honest players are not actually jumping through hoops to play for. The only thing we can use to encourage players to join us is $$ and those are the players we want to avoid.

Worrying times. We will start next season with Smalling, Young, Jones, Matic, Lingard, Rashford and Mata
 

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Extending Mata? I thought you were going to be ruthless? I thought there was nowhere to hide? As big a shit talker as Jose.
Mata is a veteran squad player. We need the presence to guide the young, and Mata fills the role perfectly.

This is a good signing, even with the extra year.
 

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Apart from getting the players to run more I have no idea what he is trying to do.
Then you need to learn how to recognise tactics on the pitch. Danny H explains it really it really well here.
 

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Mata is a veteran squad player. We need the presence to guide the young, and Mata fills the role perfectly.

This is a good signing, even with the extra year.
Yeah he's been doing such a great job guiding our young players so far..
 
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Then you need to learn how to recognise tactics on the pitch. Danny H explains it really it really well here.
Danny H is 90% platitude in that video. He also does the usual as per on here by assuming that Ole is capable of "sorting it out" without actually saying why he is so sure. Howson is just as delusional, but slowly he is being forced to re-adjust his positions based on irrefutable observed reality.
 

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I really believed that the reason for the long drawn out process of signing Phelan was about him getting assurances about the rebuild.

Ole would take this job on any terms, but why would Phelan? Why go back to his old job just to fail? I can honestly see (and I really hope) that Phelan resigns in protest if promises are broken.
 

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I really believed that the reason for the long drawn out process of signing Phelan was about him getting assurances about the rebuild.

Ole would take this job on any terms, but why would Phelan? Why go back to his old job just to fail? I can honestly see (and I really hope) that Phelan resigns in protest if promises are broken.
Ole took the job on terms consistent with his public statements right? Or at least one would hope so.
 

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Then you need to learn how to recognise tactics on the pitch. Danny H explains it really it really well here.
His opinion doesn't matter, people on the internet are more knowledgeable as you'll find. :rolleyes:
 

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I have a few theories about Ole and the board:

First is that the contract offers to Young, Jones et al. were already on the table, and as soon as Ole signed on they quickly accepted them before they could be withdrawn. I base this on common sense, as those types of players would obviously try to stay at the club above all since away from the club would only be a downgrade for them.

Second is that both Ole and the board were fooled by the new manager bounce into thinking that the players were better than they actually were. Ole then accepted a contract offer with the caveat that he would be able to work with the existing players, but later realized his mistake but couldn't go back on it. The change in his demeanour towards the players after his contract signing is what I base this on.

Lastly is that the board probably want to wait and see what Ole can do with the current players before they sanction big money. I base this on Ole's talk of "one or two players with potential" which is probably not what we need right now, and not the way the board usually likes to operate. This is related to the second point.

As I said, these are all theories but they make sense given the timeline of events and the logicality of it. And if accurate, unless Ole is actually a genius manager, I wouldn't expect too much from the current transfer window or upcoming season.

When did he say one or two with potential. Last I heard he rightly wanted 6 signings.
 
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