I agree he shouldn't persist with Lingard. But if he gives more minutes to Gomes who is young and that doesn't work, what then?
He has his hands tied.
He has his hands tied.
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Read up my reply on James. He was good as an example to showcase the state of our attack and compared to other rivals.
Young has no place in our team he’s shite and was our worst player last year.
When the manager says he’s happy with the squad and when he says we will rely on inexperienced youngsters to carry out the season and when he says that we are ready then he is the first to take the blame. That’s how things work at every club.
If you are shit at your job you are off it’s simple as that. Why the club should carry yet another incompetent manager?
If you know things will get worse because clearly he isn’t up to standard you take actions or it will continue to get worse if you don’t do nothing.
I said it at the end of last season - if we sacked him on the spot we wouldn’t have had that shambles of Brexit window and another failed season.
Taking no action when it matters gets you there.
Thats not a matter of time. Maybe they will be like that the whole season.
My take on this is I believe people have been out for Oles head since day one, we should have brought in Poch, he’s only managed Molde.
If you look at us in comparison to last season we’re light years ahead. We played Palace at home last year and for 80 minutes I was trying the get phone signal to go on the internet as we where flat, boring and toothless.
Oles style is clear - he wants us to play on the front foot, press from the front and in big games have a threat on the counter.
We’re so unfortunate to not be 9/9 points this season. 2 missed penalties, 2 individual errors and a worldie have seen us drop points.
This is a 2/3 year project - I honestly feel as though Ole is the right man to lead us through this
If you look at us in comparison to last season we’re light years ahead. We played Palace at home last year and for 80 minutes I was trying the get phone signal to go on the internet as we where flat, boring and toothless.
Oles style is clear - he wants us to play on the front foot, press from the front and in big games have a threat on the counter.
We’re so unfortunate to not be 9/9 points this season. 2 missed penalties, 2 individual errors and a worldie have seen us drop points.
This is a 2/3 year project - I honestly feel as though Ole is the right man to lead us through this
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Let's see. Hope you are right though
Luck goes in spades. Chelsea hit the woodwork twice against us in the first match and we could have lost that. You make your own luck. If we have players that cannot take penalties or freekicks or even corners properly then we are going to struggle this season as we have zero creativity coming from the middle or out wide.
Sure. Promote him to the technical staff, make him a scout or part of the recruiting, but remove him from the manager position.
Those ‘lot better players’ might not be useful for the next manager who actually has an imprint and plan rather than pashun, run a lot, counter attack and Rashy.
Leicester being a better team isn't his fault, I mean having better players, if that's even true.
I am really curious to know his real thoughts about this transfer window.
I get that he can't really do a Mourinho and start complaining in his first window, but not replacing
our outgoing players (and having to rely on Lingard as a starter) just screams negligence from the board.
If his only target we missed out on was Longstaff, I worry about his sanity.
I get that he can't really do a Mourinho and start complaining in his first window, but not replacing
our outgoing players (and having to rely on Lingard as a starter) just screams negligence from the board.
If his only target we missed out on was Longstaff, I worry about his sanity.
The comparisons with Chelsea are absurd. They haven't been a club in crisis for 6 years; a trophy average over the last 5/6 years including PL titles and a Europa, quality internationals including a world class forward.
They've gone into the season with a hell of a lot more experience than us. Their young players have had a season or two in the Championship, while we're chucking in Greenwood with relatively none at even that level.Even their manager had the benefit of building a team implementing his own tactics. You could see with Derby last year what he was trying to achieve and he had a season to do it.
Ole? Well the tactic seems to be old fashioned. Here's the ball, go and play...oh and if things go wrong...sort it yourself
They've gone into the season with a hell of a lot more experience than us. Their young players have had a season or two in the Championship, while we're chucking in Greenwood with relatively none at even that level.Even their manager had the benefit of building a team implementing his own tactics. You could see with Derby last year what he was trying to achieve and he had a season to do it.
Ole? Well the tactic seems to be old fashioned. Here's the ball, go and play...oh and if things go wrong...sort it yourself
Surely this thread deserves a poll?
His hands are tied because he put himself in that position in the transfer window.
Failing to address key areas on the pitch and pushing your senior striker at deadline day doesn’t help.
Enough excuses already. 3 wins out of 15 gets any manager sacked - he should make no exemption.
Perhaps when it was originally created. Adding a poll now would just be asking for more one-sided knee-jerk reactions. We've already committed to Solskjaer as our man, and he requested for two to three years. We are just three games into the first year, so I think it's better to see how the team develops with more games before considering sacking or giving him more backing.
I'd say calling people cnuts is the polar opposite of patronising. If English isn't your first language then fair enough.You’re talking about a patronising tone having called people cnuts in your original post
I’m not moving the goalposts - the manager is not good enough, the players are overrated and the board is inept. Blame must be equally apportioned.
If you go to the matches every week and think everything is fine and dandy then good on you.
Then why mention the crowd booing if it wasn't about Ole? We're in the Ole thread, and I was talking specifically about the lack of support Ole receives... Definitely sounds like a backtrack after I dismantled a shitty argument, from my vantage point.
Hope you to continue to wallow in self pity because we aren't amazing. Cos heaven forbid you support the team through thick and thin... See, I can do patronising too
We need to not make knee jerk reaction. Our recent results have been poor but we should to just focus on ourselves. We should have beat Wolves away. We were bit unlucky yesterday. The most important thing is to get back to winning ways
Actually I do agree, but it would be interesting to see how a poll ebbed and flowed from game to game, given nobody knows what the game will produce
has to be sacked. appointment was ridiculous to start with.
Poch 4 in 14 with a better team. That's the bigger picture.
People are too focused on City and Liverpool when the fact is that this squad that we have is closer to Everton and Leicester standard. These are the type of results those teams get, whoever they have in charge.
Having slept on it. I’m confused yet again to how we lose to arguably the worst team in the league yet again. Be it at home. I mean Norwich looked like they are coached better than us.
Complete nonsense. Our squad is good enough to push for 3rd together with Spurs. However due to having a clearly not good enough manager will mean we will fight for 6th. Every time the camera focuses on Ole he just looks like he is just enjoying his best seat at the stadium. Every time we play shit, he comes up with "Everyone played really well today" in his interviews. He is not someone to take us anywhere near we want to be, the sooner people realise the better.
One thing was certain last night: Palace were going to defend deep and hit us on the break.
We opted to play three pace merchants behind the striker, not known for their defense splitting passes.
Pogba seemed to be further back, even though he is by far our most creative player.
I didn't think we setup in the correct way against our opponent. There's always a best XI on paper but you need to play to your opponents weaknesses. The annoying thing is we did the exact same vs Wolves...
We opted to play three pace merchants behind the striker, not known for their defense splitting passes.
Pogba seemed to be further back, even though he is by far our most creative player.
I didn't think we setup in the correct way against our opponent. There's always a best XI on paper but you need to play to your opponents weaknesses. The annoying thing is we did the exact same vs Wolves...
should have fought for more additions..... as many said in the agitate thread over the summer
we've no real injuries, still have a lack of quality on the pitch and still have few options on the bench especially in an attacking sense
January needs to be productive for Ole's sake
we've no real injuries, still have a lack of quality on the pitch and still have few options on the bench especially in an attacking sense
January needs to be productive for Ole's sake
I've got doubts but he hasn't been backed, there's too many holes in the squad... the greatest of managers would struggle with these lot, especially in this league.
Would be stupid to sack him. Hes the man to make us better. Just he needs more players. I know we've said that every year but this takes the cake. We seriously have 11 solid players and no good backups. 1 gets injured, everything goes wrong. I still believe he can take us forward. Top 4 is just unrealistic unless rashford and martial start being like Dwight and Cole. Plus there isn't a worthy manger available maybe till next summer.
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This is the problem, too many seem to be in an alternate reality where our midfield and attack options are as good as Spurs.
Bigger problem IMO is having a manager who has no idea what he is doing here.
If only we could anticipate that like watch the same fixture last year under the same manager. We could’ve prepared better.
You cannot sack the manager in August.
May/June was the time for action. Now we have to sit it out. Let's see where we are come December.
May/June was the time for action. Now we have to sit it out. Let's see where we are come December.
Our problems run deeper than Ole. The fact of the matter is that we don't have any elite coaches. Ole isn't one, Carrick isn't one and Phelan isn't one. Combine that with an average group of players and you get what we have, shite. Nothing will change unless Woodward is removed from his role and the Glazers get the feck out of Manchester. It's really that simple.
I don't think the board backed him enough this summer. We could see that he wanted one of Bruno, Dybala or Eriksen in to provide more creativity and goal threat, rather than have Lingard running aimlessly around in arguably the most important position in a 4231. While I understand that Dybala and Eriksen's demands could have been steep, I think we should have just stuck to it and pushed one of the deals through. The Bruno excuse of "low passing percentage" feels like an excuse for not being able to get a "reasonable fee" with Sporting. The signing of Maguire also took way too long and we did not even pay a much lower price than Leicester's initial demands. Board has failed once again.
They have shown quality football? no they haven't at all. They look a mess.
We put 4 past them 2 weeks ago and we're having a debate on how well Chelsea are doing?
This forum is reaching new levels of stupidity. I've watched all 3 Chelsea league games, if they carry on in their current style they will finish about 10th this season, they cannot defend as a unit, every time the opposition enter the Chelsea half it looks like they have a chance of scoring.
We can't sack Ole yet, but what was telling was that it was clear the team needed players in attack with more experience of dealing with a team that sit deep. Players who can pick a pass to break the deadlock. We had that player on the bench in Mata, yet he was only brought on in the 85th minute? That is just bad management. What do you expect him to do in 5 minutes?
Why did it take so long to realise he was needed? It's not a good sign at all if Ole takes so long to make such clear decisions.
Why did it take so long to realise he was needed? It's not a good sign at all if Ole takes so long to make such clear decisions.
OGS’ system doesn’t work, from the looks of it. The cornerstone of his system is Lingard as a CAM, but Lingard is the least creative player in the team (apart from defenders maybe). It simply can’t work, simply can’t. OGS needs to understand that you need creativity in the midfield if you want to play well in APL.
It might have worked for a mid table team, but with Man Utd it is wrong to be a counter attacking side (as there are just several team against which we will be counter attacking). The system should allow to convert possession into goal scoring chances - Lingard is the worst possible solution for that.
If it is mandatory to play Lingard (maybe he and the manager feck each other hence he plays) - then swap positions of Pogba and Lingard.
It might have worked for a mid table team, but with Man Utd it is wrong to be a counter attacking side (as there are just several team against which we will be counter attacking). The system should allow to convert possession into goal scoring chances - Lingard is the worst possible solution for that.
If it is mandatory to play Lingard (maybe he and the manager feck each other hence he plays) - then swap positions of Pogba and Lingard.
The board haven't back our managers for the last 2 summers as a minimum. It's no coincidence the following seasons haven't worked out. Still no DoF. Still Woodward in charge. Still abysmal football.
WOODWARD OUT.
Back him, he's trying and has given the players confidence - they wre so so down when he came in.
Could you imagine working for this:
We should have won both games, I enjoy watching this team and I've not though like that for 6 or 7 years.
I really think we should move pogba forward or drop him.
Young and Matic are not playing..
Could you imagine working for this:
We should have won both games, I enjoy watching this team and I've not though like that for 6 or 7 years.
I really think we should move pogba forward or drop him.
Young and Matic are not playing..
He has to change it up. I think it’s a cert to everyone that Lingard should be dropped, but I don’t know whether it means we should bring Matic in and push Pogba forward, or bring Fred in... I’m disappointed that Lukaku and probably Sanchez aren’t going to be replaced. If we had Mandzukic we could have dropped Rashford and brought in an experienced head.
But alas we’re so light up front, that reliance on the likes of Greenwood and Gomes has to be used. I’d like to see us use Gomes at some point in the next month, when League Cup ties and Europa League ties come up.
If OGS isn’t changing his approach, then he’s a dead man walking.
But alas we’re so light up front, that reliance on the likes of Greenwood and Gomes has to be used. I’d like to see us use Gomes at some point in the next month, when League Cup ties and Europa League ties come up.
If OGS isn’t changing his approach, then he’s a dead man walking.
When the board dont sign players for positions we need then we have no chance, it doesn't matter who the manager is.
Ole is on the right track. He's getting rid of the players we all want gone (Sanchez, Lukaku, Smalling, Jones, Young, Matic) whilst trying to give youth a go. If we would have signed a decent midfielder this summer along with a right winger we would comfortably have 9 points now.
It's easy to say drop Lingard. What are our options? Mata? play Matic? Fred? hardly fecking groundbreaking options. Maybe he should give Gomes a chance but again its relying on a young ( and also very small) player so its risky.
Ole is on the right track. He's getting rid of the players we all want gone (Sanchez, Lukaku, Smalling, Jones, Young, Matic) whilst trying to give youth a go. If we would have signed a decent midfielder this summer along with a right winger we would comfortably have 9 points now.
It's easy to say drop Lingard. What are our options? Mata? play Matic? Fred? hardly fecking groundbreaking options. Maybe he should give Gomes a chance but again its relying on a young ( and also very small) player so its risky.
No chance for top 4 now that we have fallen 2 points behind Arsenal. Lucky to even get top 6 at this rate as Leicester and Everton have looked really impressive.
Sadly, I think Lingard will still start next weekend's match to "help him gain his confidence" and whatever reason Ole might come up with. His post match comments on how he found no problem with Lingard reflects that. Not that he has much of a choice I think - as I mentioned, the Board did not back Ole fully. Net spend of 70m in a window like that is an absolute joke given the amount of holes Ole had in the team. That said, I hope he see Gomes there soon - even if he fails to play well, at least it's good match experience for him, rather than see headless running around with zilch end product from Jesse.
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