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Forced? It's a situation he engineered and created.
Pal I’m partially agreeing with you that Ole isn’t blameless
If the tweets above are right about him sanctioning the sale of Lukaku and loan of Sanchez without replacements is right, then Ole has to take the blame. He was very naive if he thought this squad would come to much.
Yeah he has to take the blame for todays game.
Yeah but the thing is Mourinho had already bought 2 CB's, hence why Woodward was reluctant to buy a third last year. And Mourinho's downfall was going to happen regardless of whether or not we got Maguire. Yes, it is happening too late, but Mourinho can't ask for CB's year on year when the previous targets didn't work out.
Only going to get worst with the injuries we have.
Yeah, the problems extend beyond the manager without a shadow of a doubt. Woodward is a dithering idiot who is clearly out of his depth in the DoF role he has appointed himself, and above him we have a bunch leeches eating the club alive.
To be honest, feck football.
They weren’t - how does anyone not see we were trying at the end to bring in someone
I'm copying Simon Stones from BBC and you're copying Sun. That says it all I guess.
Yeah what's in that to prove Stones wrong ?
We cooled the interest. Guess whose decision was that?
Here's the answer from Telegraph article :The problem is you don't want to admit the truth. Ole is as responsible for this market as Woodward.
The two players that the club knew in advance would be leaving (Herrera and Lukaku) should have been replaced. That's the bottom line. Inexcusable and outrageous not to do so.
Agree, at least Fifa 20 is out this week and I cant wait to get my hands on this Utd team!
Fellaini too. It was his decision to decide that Pereira was anything close to a 1st team player. (perhaps @FootyGirl88 spammed/bribed him, or Ed told him he wasn't getting a replacement if he dumped Fellaini, but it was his call.
I will never ever ever agree a manager wanted to hamper his own chances.I'm copying Simon Stones from BBC and you're copying Sun. That says it all I guess.
Yeah what's in that to prove Stones wrong ?
We cooled the interest. Guess whose decision was that?
The problem is you don't want to admit the truth. Ole is as responsible for this market as Woodward.
The only way you could convince me is if Ole was sat in front of me and said with free will I was happy for man united to play 60-70 games this season with 2 first team strikers who aren’t that great plus a rookie.
Probably isn't up to it, but the problem is, how the feck do we realistically hire?
The manager is only part of the probelem. The board, Ed and these useless players will still be stinking up the place under a new manager. Grim times indeed
The manager is only part of the probelem. The board, Ed and these useless players will still be stinking up the place under a new manager. Grim times indeed
We were abysmal the start of last season and had 13 points by second international break. We currently have 8 points with the potential of 14 by then. Ole not shitting on this poor squad and kicking up a fuss to the board in the summer window has hardly improved player morale. Apparently Jose being grumpy and shitting on the players last season made us play so poorly.
Excuses are running out for me. It’s a results business and unfortunately his have been terrible since becoming a permanent manager. We should be doing better even with the squad we have. Arsenal game next is massive, we won’t keep them from scoring so we will have to out score them. I don’t see that happening.
Excuses are running out for me. It’s a results business and unfortunately his have been terrible since becoming a permanent manager. We should be doing better even with the squad we have. Arsenal game next is massive, we won’t keep them from scoring so we will have to out score them. I don’t see that happening.
It has been a shit show all round. If they knew he wanted them out, just get rid as soon as possible. Then you have plenty of time to get someone in. That's not the United Way now though is it?They weren’t - how does anyone not see we were trying at the end to bring in someone
Agree. Even if we didn't sign a CF to replace Lukaku it could have been a RW/RF instead but he absolutely needed replacing as did Herrera and also Matic.
Crap hand doesn't help but its on the management when he chooses to start Mata and Matic and still doesn't change things at half time.
Well I’m sure we can all agree Ole wanted to keep Herrera at least.
Pereira is nowhere near good enough.
I recall in the summer he was asked twice on the preseason tour about replacing players. His first answer when asked how he planned to replace Herrera was a strange one - he replied something like he already has McTom and Perriera who both offer different qualities that if you combine into one you get a similar player as Herrera.
The second time he was asked about Lukaku leaving and how he would handle that. He for sure said something like we have to replace anyone who leaves.
He’s not good enough. But, bringing in a different manager at this point isn’t going to fix anything. We need a DOF ASAP and then let them be involved in the process of replacing Ole. Otherwise we’re stuck with somebody else who is going to butt heads with Woodward and we’ll be stuck with another set of players bought by one manager and not wanted by the current one.
I’m not defending united of being incompetent
The issue I have is that Ole is somehow to blame for the board not signing players? Like everyone makes a million excuses for the Glazers and Woodward yet it’s Ole’s fault we didn’t sign a Lukaku replacement even though he demanded one. Apparently Ole keeps the books too. What isn’t Ole to blame for at the club?
Like everyone makes a million excuses for the Glazers and Woodward yet it’s Ole’s fault we didn’t sign a Lukaku replacement even though he demanded one. Apparently Ole keeps the books too. What isn’t Ole to blame for at the club?Lukaku and Sanchez would not improve this squad one iota though. It's Woodwards fault for not bringing in adequate replacements in the summer.
Good.I’m not defending united of being incompetent
I have absolutely no belief in Ole and his coaches to change things mid game. If the starting tactics don’t work, we are fecked!
It didn't look like Solskjaer wanted anything in attack. He clearly rates Martial and Rashford far more than they deserve credit for. He chose to allow these guys to go without a replacement. That's on him. The idea that Lukaku doesn't improve the squad is just daft. For all of his faults he still contributed 19 goals last season which has effectively been unreplaced.
Not signing replacements for Lukaku and Herrera is unbelievable. Don't know who to blame for this one, it's a clusterfeck of the highest order.
Everybody but OGS knows it.
I rate McTom quite a bit, think he'll grow to be a good player. Still criminal to rely on him for the 1st team along with a bunch of kids.
About Lukaku, he was alienating him from late last season. There was no way back after OGS treated him, and both knew he wouldn't play for us again. The narrative that he wanted him replaced is wrong. He wanted him gone regardless. Same as Fellaini.
Knew it wasn't going to be easy but I expected for different reasons. I thought we would see more young players starting and that's why we let some go and I expected that we would have a clear style of play even if we didn't have the players to execute it.
It's funny cause I believe we are worse than ever if that was possibly. Pogs will go in the summer and I suspect he doesn't rate Fred either. I think we need a LB as questionable whether Shaw is good enough. We could have yet another season where we need 5-6 players. Realistically that's another 400m if we can bring them here. Can't see the board sanctioning that spend so we are going to fall further behind.....
It's funny cause I believe we are worse than ever if that was possibly. Pogs will go in the summer and I suspect he doesn't rate Fred either. I think we need a LB as questionable whether Shaw is good enough. We could have yet another season where we need 5-6 players. Realistically that's another 400m if we can bring them here. Can't see the board sanctioning that spend so we are going to fall further behind.....
Ole, Phelan, Carrick, and Woodward all need to go. I was never really excited about Phelan returning as I felt the team started playing noticeably worse when he took over from Quieroz. Carrick has never proven anything as a coach and has to take some responsibility for the team's dire state during Mourinho's last season (which is when he became the coach) and now with Ole as the manager. Speaking of Ole, no PL top 10 clubs would've let him keep his job with the form we've been in since his appointment as the permanent manager.
Woodward is among the worst DOF's in the history of football but unfortunately the only people who can fire him don't give a sh*t and he won't let go of his power unless he just gets very bored.
Woodward is among the worst DOF's in the history of football but unfortunately the only people who can fire him don't give a sh*t and he won't let go of his power unless he just gets very bored.
That is the thing. We haven't even played anybody yet.
Just listening to 5live. The only thing worse than United today is the arch idiot Robbie Savage saying that Ole is the right man for Man utd.
As soon as I heard him say that I switched off immediately.
Sky has Jose Mourinho and Roy Keane and the BBC has that half wit.
It's still just about 50-50 whether we're on a "Journey" over a few years where OGS will slowly get it right, window by window, or whether we're just a hopeless case going nowhere.
I really couldn't tell you.
I'm inclined to still believe in the former, as we have Pogba, Martial and Shaw to come back in.
If that lineup we ended with today was our actual best line up, we'd do well to come top 10 - without any hyperbole whatsoever.
I really couldn't tell you.
I'm inclined to still believe in the former, as we have Pogba, Martial and Shaw to come back in.
If that lineup we ended with today was our actual best line up, we'd do well to come top 10 - without any hyperbole whatsoever.
But he is dead right though. About the passing and taking easy options. Also there is not enough movement, but that is what you get with that team though. First game I think was a step back this season. But you get those games, and a few teams had them this weekend.
Sometimes you wonder if the Glazers hear, or care about the actual results, or just see the financials.
I mean, they must do surely? Surely?
I was going to post that. Staggering stuff.
Totally agree. Very sensible post.
I’ll always like Ole, but it seems he’s treating this like an Football manager game but he doesn’t have a save/load option.
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