Sterling Archer
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He's talking about lvg...Jose didn't win the FA cup. Conte did. Against him..
He's talking about lvg...Jose didn't win the FA cup. Conte did. Against him..
Wait now I'm confused. Why did he say "2nd place, Europa League" then?He's talking about lvg...
Isn't that normal? Different people deserve different respect, because that's how life works.No what's pathetic is the sense of honor and respect about how a fan talks about the manager changes based on who is at the helm. It's hypocrisy that needs weeding out.
There's a difference between being respectful and being hypocritical. Fact of the matter is, he's a worse manager than Jose and is doing worse than Jose is. Regardless of how likeable he is and his history with us, he should now be judged as manager of Manchester United.Isn't that normal? Different people deserve different respect, because that's how life works.
I have much more respect for Ole than Jose, who at the end was acting like a spoilt child who didn't get what he wanted for Christmas.
This all stems from being badgered about my feelings about Ole as a manager.Isn't that normal? Different people deserve different respect, because that's how life works.
I have much more respect for Ole than Jose, who at the end was acting like a spoilt child who didn't get what he wanted for Christmas.
I don't know about the order but earlier we were talking about accomplishments of the previous two managers.that order is chronological in reverseWait now I'm confused. Why did he say "2nd place, Europa League" then?
Yeah, I can't disagree with that. He should be judged fairly and by the same standards. But a point to add, the club was in complete disarray when Ole took over. That shouldn't be forgotten either.There's a difference between being respectful and being hypocritical. Fact of the matter is, he's a worse manager than Jose and is doing worse than Jose is. Regardless of how likeable he is and his history with us, he should now be judged as manager of Manchester United.
Of course people, myself included, will be more inclined to give him time etc. given his status, but overlooking the same flaws we saw in other managers simply because of his standing with the supporters is just being ignorant.
fair enoughThis all stems from being badgered about my feelings about Ole as a manager.
Doesn’t make the rest of his post untrue!Jose didn't win the FA cup. Conte did. Against him..
Assist vs Bournemouth was under Ole, his second or third game.Disagree about Rashford’s decision making. We’ve seen him do world class things before, like a beautiful headed assist in a crowded box, or his elastico before assisting v B’Mouth (this was under José).
Well said.There's a difference between being respectful and being hypocritical. Fact of the matter is, he's a worse manager than Jose and is doing worse than Jose is. Regardless of how likeable he is and his history with us, he should now be judged as manager of Manchester United.
Of course people, myself included, will be more inclined to give him time etc. given his status, but overlooking the same flaws we saw in other managers simply because of his standing with the supporters is just being ignorant.
Or most ManUtd fans cried because we had a toxic twat leading the club, who just shat on the club, young players and everyone, barely took any responsibility, spent shit loads of money and didn't challenge for the league even once in 3 seasons. To achieve all this, we spent more money than most clubs (maybe except only City).You cried because your favorite superstar players were being asked to play with more heart and honor for the badge. You cried because the manager insulted your club by recalling our European failures. Last but not least you were upset with the clubs on the field mediocrity.
Flaws? The actual football we play. There is no imprint of a potentially great manager that I can see, and he's nearly been here for a year now. With Ole to me it seems simple. He has all the right intentions - he wants us play exciting football, bed youth in and eventually win titles. But sadly he just isn't good enough a manager from what I've seen. I mean, if tomorrow Big Sam adopts the footballing virtues that excite Barcelona fans (Pep/Cruyff), it doesn't mean he's doing to be fit for the job. So yeah, Ole has the right intentions but not the quality IMO.Out of curiosity what specific flaws do people see with Ole, talking specifically?
He’s unproven of course and he’s had a good spell and a poor spell, however there are a couple of real positives that we haven’t seen under the last three managers that I feel are really important changes that are needed regardless of the current points tally, namely...
Recruitment: Spot on, the three that Ole has signed have hit the ground running and certainly two of the three could be suggested as our player of the year so far.
*Should have been backed by Ed for a Lukaku replacement and additional midfielder.
Clear Out: Ole got rid of a lot of dead wood, some of which had been lingering around the club like a bad smell for a long time. This is something people on the CAF continually lambasted previous managers for not doing.
High Press: Sounds basic but I’ve been screaming at my TV for United to press the opposition effectively for years and years! I’m so happy to see the start of what you can clearly see is a high press that is being coached into this young side. VITAL I feel for us to progress in the modern game.
Player Improvement: Players such as McTominay, Martial, Fred even Perreira have improved under Ole. All were stagnating under past managers.
Young Players / Youth: This is a young team (too young and inexperienced at the moment in fact) and granted the team hasn’t done very well as a collective yet, however individually each of the youngsters have done very well considering and integrated well into the side. We’ve all been singing the praises of Dan James, Brandon Williams and Tuenzebe (prior to injury.)
I feel the above points are really important changes in direction for the club, at this time they are more important than our current points tally and table position.
We have to build from an improved foundation if we are to really kick on as a club. Ole might not be Pep but he’s ticking boxes for me that previous managers haven’t.
What kind of sense does that make? No doubt this place was toxic as hell around this time last year, but its not like Jose was innocent in that. He had a meltdown because he did not get the players he wanted and then tried to burn the house down. If he had acted like an adult none of this would have happened and he would still sit in that chairIts quite interesting to see this amongst fans on the cafe. When Jose was here and reaching the meltdown it was fine and dandy to call him Maureen and a bellend and a virus and all that other stuff. This while the man was still manager of United. You cried because your favorite superstar players were being asked to play with more heart and honor for the badge. You cried because the manager insulted your club by recalling our European failures. Last but not least you were upset with the clubs on the field mediocrity.
And here we are now, with another manager that's currently performing worse on the field. He's saying questionable things like it being a real darn tootin challenge to beat oh so great Norwich. And it is bothersome to you that I call him smeagul? A lookalike in jest?
See , I respect Ole as a player. But as a manager he has a long way to go before he gets the benefit of the doubt over better managers before him. Frankly, if you think putting up with all this just because Ole scored some big goals for is makes you a better United fan, then not only are ya a pretentious fan you're the kind of feeble minded sensitive baby our squad is rotten with.
So whether or not a manger deserves respect only relies on how many trophies they won? Stuff like conduct is meaningless? People only turned on Jose when it was clear he was having a mental breakdown. Regarding LvG it was not like he was hounded out of the club by the fans, but in his two years here he:I mean a lot of this is true. Jose & LVG got absolutely hammered for being 10x the manager & bringing success Ole could only dream of.
Also it’s some weird thing where they think they are some super fan for sticking with a clearly not up to it manager who isn’t good enough to lead us- it’s not, it just makes you look overly sentimental & is pulling our club further away from relevance in the football world.
Unbelievable that people claim to be fans of Manchester United and still worship Mou... Should be called "The Cult of Moo" given the amount of BS such blind worship supplies...Its quite interesting to see this amongst fans on the cafe. When Jose was here and reaching the meltdown it was fine and dandy to call him Maureen and a bellend and a virus and all that other stuff. This while the man was still manager of United. You cried because your favorite superstar players were being asked to play with more heart and honor for the badge. You cried because the manager insulted your club by recalling our European failures. Last but not least you were upset with the clubs on the field mediocrity.
And here we are now, with another manager that's currently performing worse on the field. He's saying questionable things like it being a real darn tootin challenge to beat oh so great Norwich. And it is bothersome to you that I call him smeagul? A lookalike in jest?
See , I respect Ole as a player. But as a manager he has a long way to go before he gets the benefit of the doubt over better managers before him. Frankly, if you think putting up with all this just because Ole scored some big goals for is makes you a better United fan, then not only are ya a pretentious fan you're the kind of feeble minded sensitive baby our squad is rotten with.
Well done, completely ruined my Point. Oh wait no you haven’t as you’ve highlighted that as well as winning the League Cup he also got to the final of the FA Cup- accomplishments Ole couldn’t ever dream ofJose didn't win the FA cup. Conte did. Against him..
My mistake. The point still stands, we’ve seen him do great things now and then (decision making wise) but he’s far too inconsistent and still mostly plays with his head down when he has the ball. So I don’t think we can safely say Ole has helped improve his decision making.Assist vs Bournemouth was under Ole, his second or third game.
His decision making isn't consistent but his record under Ole is better than under Jose. Maybe it's do with playing regularly and being main man in the attack along with Martial.My mistake. The point still stands, we’ve seen him do great things now and then (decision making wise) but he’s far too inconsistent and still mostly plays with his head down when he has the ball. So I don’t think we can safely say Ole has helped improve his decision making.
I’ll give you the left foot thing and that he’s making more and better runs in behind. This is small things though, if he could help him pick the right passes at the right time Rashford would be one of the most dangerous players in the league imo.His decision making isn't consistent but his record under Ole is better than under Jose. Maybe it's do with playing regularly and being main man in the attack along with Martial.
There are few changes in the game though, he is making lot of runs now than before, he is using his left foot which wasn't the case earlier, always tried to shift the ball to right foot.
So United can´t even dream about winning the League cup or reaching the final in the FA cup? Some supporters are just.... great.Well done, completely ruined my Point. Oh wait no you haven’t as you’ve highlighted that as well as winning the League Cup he also got to the final of the FA Cup- accomplishments Ole couldn’t ever dream of
Well of course we can dream about it. I can dream about us winning the European Cup next year but isn’t going to happen. Just realism- happy to be proven wrong!So United can´t even dream about winning the League cup or reaching the final in the FA cup? Some supporters are just.... great.
Yeah, it's all about playing a team that complements each other. Doesn't know about the rest but Martial and Rashford do that and going by initial games, James is fitting in nicely.I’ll give you the left foot thing and that he’s making more and better runs in behind. This is small things though, if he could help him pick the right passes at the right time Rashford would be one of the most dangerous players in the league imo.
I think the improvements can be explained somewhat by getting that combo of Martial and Rashford right, which is also Ole’s decision. It’s more like getting the puzzle pieces right, than actually making the whole working puzzle yourself though, if you know what I mean.
I guess I need more evidence to feel as sure as you. Only last match after he passed a CB with that elastico close to the touch line, he chose to shoot, instead of picking a pass. An isolated incident wouldn’t worry me, I just knew he’d do that. Martial was visibly irritated a couple of times, with good reason imo.Yeah, it's all about playing a team that complements each other. Doesn't know about the rest but Martial and Rashford do that and going by initial games, James is fitting in nicely.
Also I think his decision making has improved lately, when he was competing with Martial for the same position, there was lot of selfishness in his game, ignoring players in better position to prove he should be the first choice player. Now he is more relaxed and picks up the players in better position in the build up play, he still needs to improve but there is good change in his game. The period where both were competing against each other, his game was changed and he was very selfish at that time.
Because there was no pass on at that time, with defenders close by.I guess I need more evidence to feel as sure as you. Only last match after he passed a CB with that elastico close to the touch line, he chose to shoot, instead of picking a pass. An isolated incident wouldn’t worry me, I just knew he’d do that. Martial was visibly irritated a couple of times, with good reason imo.
FA Cup:Well of course we can dream about it. I can dream about us winning the European Cup next year but isn’t going to happen. Just realism- happy to be proven wrong!
If Ole managed half the achievements LVG or Jose did you’d all be beside yourselves & give him a 100 year contract
That’s just not true. Maybe pick a pass wasn’t the right term, but there certainly were several United players in the box.Because there was no pass on at that time, with defenders close by.
Even if we grant this, it's the classic "one swallow"; the scoring record with Martial and Rashford playing together speaks volumes. Not possible if one of them is routinely silly or overly selfish.Because there was no pass on at that time, with defenders close by.
Who were all close to Brighton defenders or with passing lane blocked. There were 7 Brighton defenders, I posted the images in Rashford's thread, going for pass was not the right option and the only pass which was on was McTominay who was at the edge of the box and there was no way Rashford would have seen him considering how quick that move was.That’s just not true. Maybe pick a pass wasn’t the right term, but there certainly were several United players in the box.
Exactly. At least this season I haven't seem him shooting randomly when there were players in better positions to score. He took some stupid shots but that was in general play rather than ignoring players in better position.Even if we grant this, it's the classic "one swallow"; the scoring record with Martial and Rashford playing together speaks volumes. Not possible if one of them is routinely silly or overly selfish.
To win the EL you´d probable have to beat Arsenal. And that´s ever going to happen, right. Sometimes there is a tiny border between critics and moaning.Well of course we can dream about it. I can dream about us winning the European Cup next year but isn’t going to happen. Just realism- happy to be proven wrong!
I’ll have to check those out, but I don’t think he even looked up.Who were all close to Brighton defenders or with passing lane blocked. There were 7 Brighton defenders, I posted the images in Rashford's thread, going for pass was not the right option and the only pass which was on was McTominay who was at the edge of the box and there was no way Rashford would have seen him considering how quick that move was.
Lingard was sandwiched between 2 Brighton defenders and high chances that pass would have been intercepted, also Lingard wasn't even facing the ball, by the time he took the touch, he would have been closed down.
For the love of Christ, can we stop this rubbish as it exists only in the Man United folklore - What does 'loves the club and knows it inside out even mean' ? Is this a prerequisite for success or an essential managerial nous ingredient? He is on a salary just like any other manager and they are supposed to be professionals in the discharge of their duties no matter what club they are coaching . It's ridiculous.Good signings – defo.
Improvement in underperforming players – yes.
Wants to play attacking football – yes.
Has shipped out a lot of the deadwood everyone has been complaining about for years – yes.
Exciting focus on youth – yes.
Loves the club and knows it inside out – yes.
A sense of direction – yes.
In contention for the top 4 – no.
But I'd take the first seven any day if we want to rebuild long term. Otherwise we'll lurch from one big name who doesn't get the club, to the next. Like we have since Ferguson.
Well we haven't conceded a goal in the Europa yet and look to be sailing to the last 32, plus were pretty much in the Semi's of the league cup so if we draw Everton, could be a League Cup final and I fancy us to get close in the Europa, pretty much similar to Jose first year?Well of course we can dream about it. I can dream about us winning the European Cup next year but isn’t going to happen. Just realism- happy to be proven wrong!
If Ole managed half the achievements LVG or Jose did you’d all be beside yourselves & give him a 100 year contract
Re. Lampard, you could be right – time will tell, but it's a bloody brilliant start.Re: Rodgers - Leicester were already an up-and-comer (sort of, in a weird way) last year. People were already saying they were one of the teams ready to make the next step. And so they have, for the moment.
Re: Lampard - New manager bounce? I mean, he's only 12 league games in...