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Mourinho would never have agreed to start the season with the squad we currently have as much I got fed up with him towards the end.
Yep, when will people realize Neville is absolutely clueless. He talks a lot, that doesn't mean he's in any way right about our issues and he will always ignore our biggest issue, our current manager who has shown himself to be far below PL level. So what's the point in listening to him.Of course. Moyes should be given more time. LVG should be given more time. Same old drivel.
So, according to Xg then.... watch our games mate, we're absolutely clueless. We consistently manage 1 or 2 shots per game against shitty sides, we have no idea what to do with possession and on top, our players are in poor form as ever. This "we just missed some sitters" is closing the eyes in front of the obvious. Ole has not installed any game plan, strategy for the team nor does he uplift any of the players. He's been rather shocking as our manager, hence the worst start to the season since everSo according to xg we are the best defensively and 5th best going forward. Despite having an injury crisis and an absolutely shocking group of midfielders/number 10s. That to me suggests the coaching may not be anywhere as bad as some are suggesting.
We've managed to throw a heap of points away by missing penalties/sitters and giving away daft goals despite giving up the fewest chances in the league.
I don't see that as a result of bad management. It's just a difficult period early in the rebuild process. Best defence and 5th best offence probably gets you top 4 more often than not. They need more time.
I stopped listening to Gary a long time ago. He used to be a good pundit before he went to management. He reminds me of Titanic's captainYep, when will people realize Neville is absolutely clueless. He talks a lot, that doesn't mean he's in any way right about our issues and he will always ignore our biggest issue, our current manager who has shown himself to be far below PL level. So what's the point in listening to him.
Yeah I agreeOf course. Moyes should be given more time. LVG should be given more time. Same old drivel.
I think it is closer to suggesting that xG should never again be used as some valuable metrics.So according to xg we are the best defensively and 5th best going forward. Despite having an injury crisis and an absolutely shocking group of midfielders/number 10s. That to me suggests the coaching may not be anywhere as bad as some are suggesting.
It's meaningful, just skewed because of our penalties. I think we rank something like 17th in XG from open play. That's more like it.We are close to relegation but xG saying we are 5th best attacking team? Is there any more evidence that this stat means feck all?
That’s what bugs me. 99% of people have the right general idea. Ole talks a good talk, well he did when he arrived anyways, but that’s about it. Klopp, Poch, Pep, pretty much every other manager has their reputation because of what they have done and / or are doing. Ole is the only one whose gotten credit for saying what he’s going to (very generically I might add) do , but in 10 months hasn’t shown any signs of being able to do the two most important things.All pundits I've heard,with regards to commentating on our state at present ,seem to consistently say one thing ,and that one thing is becoming rather grating,"I really feel sorry for Ole at the moment".
Honestly,why the f*ck is that ?
He's one of the major reasons we dont seem to have a clue on the pitch.
Sure, Ole could've had alittle more help in the transfer window gone by but the great man himself seemed rather content going into this campaign with the options he had at his disposal.Plus,no one put a damn gun to his head and forcefully move his hand to sign the damn contract.
Overall,my views on Ole,and staff, amount to this : He,and his coaching staff,have the right ideas but don't have a clue in going about implementing them.
Shows how cunning he is. Talks about “The problem” to blindside people. Realistically, a shit manager is more detrimental to the club then our board and it’s easier and more realistic to change manager then our board.This idea that "ole is not the problem" is basically a Gary Neville special level of thick logic.
There isn't one problem, there are many, of which Ole is one.
No semi-decent manager would have started the season with our current squad, what's makes it even worse is that OGS was in a strong position to pressure Ed to get him players, instead he was parroting the 'happy with his squad' line.Mourinho would never have agreed to start the season with the squad we currently have as much I got fed up with him towards the end.
untrue.No semi-decent manager would have started the season with our current squad, what's makes it even worse is that OGS was in a strong position to pressure Ed to get him players, instead he was parroting the 'happy with his squad' line.
Why was he in a strong position? My view from the beginning was that he was hired because he would always be in a weak position until he achieved anything with us.No semi-decent manager would have started the season with our current squad, what's makes it even worse is that OGS was in a strong position to pressure Ed to get him players, instead he was parroting the 'happy with his squad' line.
Why, because he was in the position to throw Woodward under the bus, Woodward couldn't afford to have OGS walk away because of lack of investment.Why would they give Ole what they wouldn't give Mourinho?
They'll sing "20 times" to piss Liverpool fans I guess.I wonder how the crowd will react if we get humiliated on Sunday? Will we finally see some realism creep in and some boos?
No, that's ridiculous. We're dealing with the fabled match-going Topreds here, those who once sang that incredible war-cry:
"Every single one of us will stand by David Moyes"
It was well worth sticking by Moyes, wasn't it. In 2yrs time, the same will be laughed at regarding Ole.
If Ole walked and we replaced him with someone like Pochettino I think people would've moved on pretty quick. And I suspect Ole knows that too. Where would he walk off to? Molde? His best option is to hang on here, and everyone knows it.Why, because he was in the position to throw Woodward under the bus, Woodward couldn't afford to have OGS walk away because of lack of investment.
Managers routinely pressure their owners for more players. If OGS had played it right, Woodward couldn't show his face at OT if he didn't get in more players or OGS had walked.
Not a given Molde will take him back as manager. Apparently Molde are about to win their first league title since 2014 both of which were coincidentally in their first season after Ole left.If Ole walked and we replaced him with someone like Pochettino I think people would've moved on pretty quick. And I suspect Ole knows that too. Where would he walk off to? Molde? His best option is to hang on here, and everyone knows it.
Molde have won 3 titles in their history. The first two were won by Solskjær. The third was won the season he left for Cardiff but the manager was sacked shortly afterwards and Ole rehired.Not a given Molde will take him back as manager. Apparently Molde are about to win their first league title since 2014 both of which were coincidentally in their first season after Ole left.
Maybe they might give him a director role or something. But he hasn’t actually won any leagues with them since 2012
I know and during Ole’s second stint they didn’t win any league titles, this season looks like they might win their first one since before they rehired Ole.Molde have won 3 titles in their history. The first two were won by Solskjær. The third was won the season he left for Cardiff but the manager was sacked shortly afterwards and Ole rehired.
Ah that's absolute muck. That's something that would happen if Pep is taking over, only it happened at a much lower level.Molde have won 3 titles in their history. The first two were won by Solskjær. The third was won the season he left for Cardiff but the manager was sacked shortly afterwards and Ole rehired.
Only reason it's high is because of pens.We are close to relegation but xG saying we are 5th best attacking team? Is there any more evidence that this stat means feck all?
I don’t the the full facts of it but I’m pretty sure results took a downward turn and he was let go rather than Ole being available and them ditching him to get Ole back in.Ah that's absolute muck. That's something that would happen if Pep is taking over, only it happened at a much lower level.
Wait... so you're telling me... we have the best defence.Yes. We've given up the fewest chances but De Gea, Lindelof×2, and Tuanzebe have all made bad individual mistakes that cost us points.
Alkmar and Astana didn't score. (These games don't count towards PL xg stats)
It's clearly not down to anything tactical or down to coaching. The defense is set up properly.Wait... so you're telling me... we have the best defence.
And you're telling me that best defence made 5 individual error that cost us 8 points?
You don't make that many mistakes when you're the best. Isnt that the point? How can you honestly say a team with no clean sheet as having the best defence?
No semi-decent manager would have started the season with our current squad, what's makes it even worse is that OGS was in a strong position to pressure Ed to get him players, instead he was parroting the 'happy with his squad' line.
@Un4givableB is right on the money here. Ole was emphasizing culture, he slagged off half the squad after Everton and went into the summer talking about replacing the likes of Lukaku and Sanchez were they to leave.untrue.
That's not how you use xG it's not a fortune telling tool it's just statistics and it requires a proper analysis to interpret these statistics. Just because there are a lot of amateurs about who knows nothing at all about statistical analysis - doesn't mean statistics are bad. What that tells you is that our tactics - our buildup and overall play - generates enough space and chances to warrant us being the 5th best attacking team - so when we obviously aren't - then you start looking into the reasons why - find out what causes this discrepancy.We are close to relegation but xG saying we are 5th best attacking team? Is there any more evidence that this stat means feck all?
We have best defence because we do have very good players there and excellent gk but also because we play defensive football. This what we play is very close to park the bus approachIt's clearly not down to anything tactical or down to coaching. The defense is set up properly.
Players have just made unexpected errors. Not sure what part of this you are struggling with
No, not even close to truth. We are clueless when we have ball, doesn't mean we park the bus.We have best defence because we do have very good players there and excellent gk but also because we play defensive football. This what we play is very close to park the bus approach
As of now I genuinely can't see a win in any of those matches. However, as you say, that might all change with a confidence booster against Liverpool.So, what are people's views on how low we can sink before the plug is pulled?
Liverpool (H) - 20/10
Partizan (A) - 24/10
Norwich (A) - 27/10
Chelsea (A) - 30/10
Bournemouth (A) - 2/11
A big win against Liverpool could be the lift we need to go on a run, but a heavy defeat could knock the last bit of fight out of us (if there is any left at all). We need to get the away win monkey off our shoulder, no matter where that first win comes, and hope that we can build some form of momentum. Thankfully, I think Norwich, Chelsea, and Bournemouth will all come at us and leave space in-behind. If Martial is fit and Rashford can bring his England form to United (probably via building fitness in the Liverpool/Partizan games) we might be able to do something. At the moment though, there's just no confidence and I don't expect us to win any of these games. If that's the case, do the board have to sack Ole? We could be out of the League Cup and on the verge of falling into the bottom three come the start of November.
On the flipside, if the club decide to stick with him, as long as we can see a bit more from the side in terms of creativity and goals, the next fixtures are Partizan (H), Brighton (H), Sheffield United (A), Astana (A), and Aston Villa (H). Do the club let Ole have a crack at this run leading into December, or do they sack him prior and let the new manager have an (on paper) easier start?
He is right. Ole is not the problem. The board who gave this incompetent the managerial job is. They can't stop committing mistakesThis idea that "ole is not the problem" is basically a Gary Neville special level of thick logic.
There isn't one problem, there are many, of which Ole is one.
Liverpool (H) -LSo, what are people's views on how low we can sink before the plug is pulled?
Liverpool (H) - 20/10
Partizan (A) - 24/10
Norwich (A) - 27/10
Chelsea (A) - 30/10
Bournemouth (A) - 2/11
A big win against Liverpool could be the lift we need to go on a run, but a heavy defeat could knock the last bit of fight out of us (if there is any left at all). We need to get the away win monkey off our shoulder, no matter where that first win comes, and hope that we can build some form of momentum. Thankfully, I think Norwich, Chelsea, and Bournemouth will all come at us and leave space in-behind. If Martial is fit and Rashford can bring his England form to United (probably via building fitness in the Liverpool/Partizan games) we might be able to do something. At the moment though, there's just no confidence and I don't expect us to win any of these games. If that's the case, do the board have to sack Ole? We could be out of the League Cup and on the verge of falling into the bottom three come the start of November.
On the flipside, if the club decide to stick with him, as long as we can see a bit more from the side in terms of creativity and goals, the next fixtures are Partizan (H), Brighton (H), Sheffield United (A), Astana (A), and Aston Villa (H). Do the club let Ole have a crack at this run leading into December, or do they sack him prior and let the new manager have an (on paper) easier start?
There is no one single problem. So he's not right.He is right. Ole is not the problem. The board who gave this incompetent the managerial job is. They can't stop committing mistakes
The board can't be changed unless the Glazers sell.There is no one single problem. So he's not right.
They will. Injuries will persist, shit football as well. We will rely completely on individual brilliance and our opponents being worse than us. If we didn't turn it around by now after the summer, we wont turn it around after the new year or earlier either with a novice manager and a bad squad for United standards. We are in deep trouble, relegation battle is what i expect with Ole in charge. We look like we can lose against any team at any time, but not like winning much.He is so bad now at so many different things. Top it with his delusional view on things, and you just know things can get even worse