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Is this what we are doing now ? Trying to make it seem like Leicester squad quality is close to ours ?Yeah if he had to rebuild the club he would settle for Joe Allen, Iago Aspas and Joe Allen just to name a few
Luckily he came to a well built club with Ndidi, Vardy, Barnes, Maddison, pereira, most their CBs and Schmeichel already at the club before he arrived so he wouldnt need to 'rebuild' that club either.
Moyes was better before he joined us was my point or more proven than Ole.Telles cost next to nothing and is just a back up for Shaw, who also happens to be one of our best players right now. Would be mental to drop him.
DVB is a weird one. There have been rumors about him being "forced" on Ole by the board, but if its the case Ole wanted him, he surely deserves to get roasted for it, because spunking 40 million on a guy that just warms the bench is daft.
That bolded part...come on. How was fecking Moyes better? The guy took the champions and made them into a laughing stock
I believe he lives in Manchester. I assume some United fans live there or was Nick Hancock right all along?Thankfully the board are seeing the bigger picture. Progress with a young group of players is not worth throwing away.You're saying that "hysterical and entitled group of fans" put him in the survival mode I talked about. Since there aren't even fans in the stadium, where else would he be exposed to them aside from the internet?
Because United dont have good people buying them transfers and dictating how the club is run.Is this what we are doing now ? Trying to make it seem like Leicester squad quality is close to ours ?
When Rogers took over Leicester were 11th and 20 points behind us . Finished that season (From the end of Feb to May) in 9th. Then next season they finished in 5th position after selling their captain to us. And now they're currently in 3rd having the same amount of points as us. How were "well built" were they when in the two seasons before Rogers took over they finished in 12th and 9th position ?
This forum cries out for depth and we sign good players for depth and then complain they aren't being used. This forum is forever calling out for shiny new toys and throwing out their old ones the second they break.Rather than having a rebuild I like to see someone getting the best out of what he got first.
He hasn't changed that much anyway and is barely using Telles and DVB who he signed.
It is not like he hasn't been given time. 2 years is a decent amount of time.
We gave Moyes less and he was a better manager with better record than Ole.
Fair enough he may not have been given the right players yet apart from Bruno, but why do we think that will change with the way we deal with transfers?
He should be given this season though he deserves that I think, but after that I would look for someone else.
They were on a whole different level but yet they finished 12th and 9th the seasons before Rogers took over ? Even if they have a better recruitment system than us we have much better players than them and we should be performing much better than them. The manager's ability to improve the performance of the team their managing is their primary objective so it shouldn't be disregarded like it's a little role when it is the most important job.Because United dont have good people buying them transfers and dictating how the club is run.
Leicester is on a whole different level in comparison, a great little player after a great little player bought for cheap and doing well from the off.
I dont disregard Brendan Rodgers ability to improve the performances of a team as he did at Liverpool and Leicester- yet if the club is poorly run he has had a bad history of buying the wrong players at a club.
United have no DOF and it consistently shows. A manager that comes here will have to do the work of both a DOF and a tactical manager. Ole is doing one good and the other an average to good level.
Did Martial not win players player of the year?I think Bruno has been better than Pogba but I don't think he's a level above him in terms of ability.
And I can't take anyone serious that thinks Martial and van de Beek are on the same level as Bruno.
Yeah erm, no he's not @BebestationOle is doing a DOF's job on the managers seat because he is a fan of the club and an ex player that knows how things were during our clubs prime.
I don't know what Solskjaer does in his spare time, but in the last year he was unlikely to be hanging out much outside him home and see a lot of fans.I believe he lives in Manchester. I assume some United fans live there or was Nick Hancock right all along?
Honestly, Bebe and his crew claimed Leicester had a much better squad than us last season, when they were ahead of us of course. Despite their previous league finishes showing that up as utter bollocks.They were on a whole different level but yet they finished 12th and 9th the seasons before Rogers took over ? Even if they have a better recruitment system than us we have much better players than them and we should be performing much better than them. The manager's ability to improve the performance of the team their managing is their primary objective so it shouldn't be disregarded like it's a little role when it is the most important job.
I disagree with the bolded but that's already been discussed/argued ad nauseum so I won't get into it.
Was also a good system when it got AWB, James, Maguire and Bruno (4 months later) now it’s been spearheaded by Ole and only him apparently.Yeah erm, no he's not @Bebestation
Once again, we put a transfer board in place rather than hire a DOF, after Mourinho's second season. It resulted in them vetoing incoming purchases such as William and Perisic, and outgoing transfers Martial and Pogba.
It also resulted in Mourinho losing his mind.
It also resulted in said transfer board green lighting the start of the fire sale, with Fellaini getting shipping whilst we didn't even have a manager in place.
Pogba at his best is better than Bruno, but Bruno is very consistent and easily better for us that Pogba. Without Bruno we would be where Arsenal is. Without Pogba we will still be around where we are.Can’t take anyone serious that thinks Bruno is a level above Paul Pogba
This fanbase.
We have LITERALLY been worse with better managers.We need a couple signings but most definitely we’d be better with a better manager. But that’s simple.
A lot of those players had their contracts coming to an end and it would always be easy to get rid. Pereira got a new deal under ole and so did phil jones so mistakes have been made. The only one I can credit really is sanchez, but how much was that on ole?The guy has gotten rid of Lingard, Rojo, Fellaini, Pereira, Smalling, Sanchez, TFM, Chong, Dalot, young and pushing out/singling out many more.
It's not Glorifying Ole - it's about valuing something that no manager had previously done here in the last decade especially from managers that our fan base begged for (and pretend like they didn't when the going gets tough ie. Mourinho). The begging for Brendan Rodgers sounds like the next wish when people crave a title and not looking at the potential consequences.
hmmmmWe have LITERALLY been worse with better managers.
Ah, the good old "points without context"-argument.hmmmm
Moyes/Giggs: 64 points
LVG: 70 points
LVG: 66 points (FA Cup winners)
Mourinho: 69 points (League Cup and EL winners)
Mourinho: 81 points
Mourinho/Solksjaer: 66 points
Solksjaer: 66 points
Solksjaer: tbc....
Once again, let's actually wait and see before making such bold claims.
I disagree. It’s mentioned a lot but not factual. We are where we are because of Pogba and Bruno. It’s only been a month where we had Bruno but no Pogba. But when we have had Pogba and not Bruno we finished 6th(I believe) with two trophies and second on 81 points.Pogba at his best is better than Bruno, but Bruno is very consistent and easily better for us that Pogba. Without Bruno we would be where Arsenal is. Without Pogba we will still be around where we are.
Maybe you just need to realise your statement has zero facts.Ah, the good old "points without context"-argument.
... which statement have I made?Maybe you just need to realise your statement has zero facts.
But bring the ‘opinionated’ context.
No it's the wait until the end of the fecking season argument that none of you seem remotely capable of.Ah, the good old "points without context"-argument.
We literally have. Moyes/Giggs = 64points.No it's the wait until the end of the fecking season argument that none of you seem remotely capable of.
A poster's opinion has feck all context, points and trophies at least have some context.
If we go 66, 66, 68 points with no trophies... no, we literally haven't been in a worse place since Fergie, however you wanna paint it. So let's hope it's a blip, and we're not.
Was Moyes a better manager?We literally have. Moyes/Giggs = 64points.
More context was that he ended up on the same points as Chelsea in fouth, and that he ended up with the same points total as that which got LVG fired, after an FA. Cup win.In this context, Solskjær led us to our second best league finish since Fergie. Both your list and mine are 100% factual, but paint two very different pictures. Context obviously matters.
What the feck does this even mean? Should we continue to hire lesser managers because supposed good managers failed here?We have LITERALLY been worse with better managers.
“We have LITERALLY been worse with better managers.”... which statement have I made?
hmmmm
Moyes/Giggs: 64 points
LVG: 70 points
LVG: 66 points (FA Cup winners)
Mourinho: 69 points (League Cup and EL winners)
Mourinho: 81 points
Mourinho/Solksjaer: 66 points
Solksjaer: 66 points
Solksjaer: tbc....
Once again, let's actually wait and see before making such bold claims.
Daft question. I obviously don't think so.Was Moyes a better manager?
“We have LITERALLY been worse with better managers.”
We literally have been better with better managers too. Which was pointed out.
You mean this post? Please read it carefully, and you'll notice something is off.“We have LITERALLY been worse with better managers.”
We literally have been better with better managers too. Which was pointed out.
We have LITERALLY been worse with better managers.
I don't think anyone is panicking. But I don't think anyone sensibly thinks we didn't play badly against West Ham, Sheffield United or West Brom. So in at least 3 of our last 4 games we've actually played pretty bad. We've been quite blunt in or attacks, ponderous on the ball and as you've already eluded to, careless in defence.Christ on a bike. We're not even a bad team, nor are we playing particularly badly. We're conceding stupid goals and making things hard for ourselves. It's been the case for a while and unsurprisingly, masking this by simply outscoring the opposition wasn't a sustainable tactic. No need for panic.
The thing is, reading the last few pages both sides of the argument are so cocksure that they're right. The arrogance that they exude is quite something. I don't think I've seen one person go "you know what, that's actually a good point" Nah. I'm right and you're a fecking idiot is what's basically is going on. We've probably (definitely) all been there, to be fair, but it's amusing reading it.As hysterical as the 'Ole out' are, the 'Ole in' are equally as hysterical and use the same mehod of selective stats to suit to their agenda. Tedious stuff indeed.
You mean this post? Please read it carefully, and you'll notice something is off.
We don’t have to sweep away the opposition every game, see Liverpool for an example of that. You do have to get the 3 points though.I don't think anyone is panicking. But I don't think anyone sensibly thinks we didn't play badly against West Ham, Sheffield United or West Brom. So in at least 3 of our last 4 games we've actually played pretty bad. We've been quite blunt in or attacks, ponderous on the ball and as you've already eluded to, careless in defence.