Would the club take notice of their social media account that its full of Ole out and the negativity around this at the moment with him still being in charge.
Ole Sack Watch
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Ask Everton fans their thoughts on Allardyce as Interim Manager.
Exactly, I mean there is no one who can do better than getting beat 5-0 at home against Liverpool or taking 1 point from the last 12 in the league. I would even argue that Big Sam would do a better job than Ole
Brutal. Blunt. Factual.
I'd take that at this stage thank you very much.
I think Ole was attack-minded at heart, he's just struggled to implement an attacking brand of football that doesn't result in us shipping goals. We've been in a constant cycle of attempting a more attacking form of football, then reverting to defensive to resolve our defensive issues during his tenure. Ole's blueprint, regardless of how well he's performed, is very different to Mourinhoball, and Conte's football would again be very different with a different set of players.
Isnt it the guy from GMTV, or is this another one?
Then you are running the club based on what your online fanbase thinks, which is largely a younger more entitled fan base, and that's a dangerous precedent to set.
Snap. Same here on both counts.
We do, accept he doesnt play Sancho
Ole definitely means well and his ideas are right he just can't implement them. Conte isn't that defensive but he is very structured and we know he can implement his vision.
Oh absolutely. And if SAF was the one to be pushing for Moyes, rather than just mentioning him as one of several options, then one would like to think that Woodward would be more circumspect in the future.
It’s not SAF’s fault that the current lot in charge have no better idea than to employ SAF-era people in the hope that some of the Great Man’s magic has rubbed off on them. Leeds did exactly the same in the 80s, employing three ex-Revie era “legends” in succession.
The Davenport story is definitely out there somewhere. I’ll do some digging
Again what is with all these miss conceptions. Hazard was seen as one of the best players in the world playing under Conte as an inside forward. Roles prime for a Sancho, Rashford or Greenwood. So if they perform the role asked of them then there is no problem with them.
Also we are at best a counter attacking team now, Contes Chelsea were at heart a counter attacking team but they could play a bit as well. The CAF opinion on Conte is totally wrong and makes me think 90% of it have never seen any of his teams but feel confident in speaking absolute tosh about him.
He's not going away, is he? The man doesn't know shame.
Honestly, I think that only Bruno Fernandes (whom I actually think has a very high chance of getting benched by the next manager) has been an absolute hit.
Ronaldo is a GOAT, so obvious, any manager in the world would sign him.
Varane is one of the best CBs in the league, so obvious, and any manager in the world would have signed him.
Maguire is decent, around Lindelof's level, maybe slightly higher. However, at 80m, it was madness. Making him captain was pathetic.
Cavani was decent.
I think AVB is very poor.
Sancho so far has looked worse than Obertan.
VDB does not play.
Diallo does not play.
Pellestri does not play.
Telles does not play.
Ighalo did not play.
So where are those hits? Granted, Bruno was a hit, and granted Ronaldo and Varane were hits though I think given the chance to sign them 100 out of 100 managers sign them. Maguire at best has been an ok signing, Cavani has been decent for his role, the others have been total miss.
Care to show us the wage bill under Ole?
I have the book at home, I'll give it a look.Oh absolutely. And if SAF was the one to be pushing for Moyes, rather than just mentioning him as one of several options, then one would like to think that Woodward would be more circumspect in the future.
It’s not SAF’s fault that the current lot in charge have no better idea than to employ SAF-era people in the hope that some of the Great Man’s magic has rubbed off on them. Leeds did exactly the same in the 80s, employing three ex-Revie era “legends” in succession.
The Davenport story is definitely out there somewhere. I’ll do some digging
I certainly don’t want Conte! - it’ll be awful tumescent football and certainly won’t be long until the cafe start moaning again…
Your posts are implying that sentiments or SAF are our problem as you are just focusing on Moyes and Ole. So what about Jose? Sir Bobby didn’t want him but we still hired him. This however doesn’t seem to be your focus.
If anything Jose and LvG failed much more here. They came with such impressive CVs and couldn’t even manage two back-to-back top 4 league finishes.
Also LvG was 7 years ago, you can’t compare transfer fees back then and now.
Under Ole we also at least spent significant money on kids (Amad/Pellistri) and Sancho. Those are talented young players and / or future investments.
If they don’t work out we could sell them. Hell we even managed to sell James for a profit as he is still young.
Seems to indicate he will remain in charge then.
I’m baffled by SAF’s position here. He knows 1000x more about football than I do and he seems to want Ole to stay longer.
I am not seeing how things get better or that we ever challenge for the big titles under Ole, but he maybe sees something I don’t see
I am not seeing how things get better or that we ever challenge for the big titles under Ole, but he maybe sees something I don’t see
Why's it obvious? Ole got the full time gig on the back of being a caretaker. Is he the only one capable of doing this?
Our talented young players are going backwards under Ole so I don't see how Conte makes things worse. He's nothing like Mourinho and I'm not sure why people pretend he is.
Fair enough
I honestly don’t think that questioning SAF’s perceived record on manager recommendations can be regarded as turning on him. Calling him out for not demanding the incumbent manager be sacked is obviously idiotic though.
100% this. I honestly think people think Italian manager, 5 at the back, surely he doesn't use youth players, surely he's defensive. I guess they stared watching the PL in 18/19. Underlying stats when he was at Chelsea were so similar to Ole, Conte just knows how to setup a defence and a midfield. He's not my top pick but the amount of hot air and opinions without substance on here about him are cringeworthy.
So Arnold is essentially a Woodward clone. Brilliant.
I feel like we'll be stuck in this boom-bust purgatory until we have a change of ownership or at the very least at the board and executive level. We're a club with immense resources run by a cartel of bankers and clowns who know next to nothing about football.
I have two big problems with us doing so: 1) not getting eliminated from UCL in group stage; 2) qualifying for UCL next season.
In addition to several other problems like the FA Cup and not getting an even bigger humiliation by 'the noisy neighbors'. Honestly, I wouldn't rule out a two-digit score against City. This is a broken team by a broken manager who has given up on coaching. I think City match is gonna be way worse than Liverpool, and I do not expect City to stop at 5. Liverpool hates us, but also respects us. For City it is pure hatred created by being in our shadow for their entire existence till 5 years ago. They are gonna give us the worst defeat in our entire EPL history.
Fergie is a great man, a genius, but he is notoriously sentimental and romantic and has admitted so himself. He will never turn his back on Ole, he's like a son to him.I’m baffled by SAF’s position here. He knows 1000x more about football than I do and he seems to want Ole to stay longer.
I am not seeing how things get better or that we ever challenge for the big titles under Ole, but he maybe sees something I don’t see
What is the direction the club are going towards right now, and what will be the change if we get Conte?
Meh, personally I'd take the likes of Ten Hag and Zidane over Conte but, we're clearly not going anywhere under Ole now, so there's really no point in keeping him. It's not desperation, it's common sense.
Conte, being one of the only options available straight away, has been successful at all Juve, Chelsea and Inter.
Our team is peaking, with a lot of players now between 26-30, which means we need short-term results, this year / next would be ideal, and I think Conte could bring that.
People keep whining about long-term ambitions, but long-term management just doesn't seem to work anymore. Chelsea pulls different managers on a consistent basis and manages to produce silverware on a consistent basis, meanwhile many of us in here cry about a total rebuild needed because a new manager has come in. Besides Pep and Klopp at City and Liverpool, we haven't seen managers stay that long in a top club recently.
Tuchel came into Chelsea and turned that squad around with the flick of a switch, and a report has suggested Conte believes he can bag results with the current team right away. If true, he seems to already have a plan in mind for us. That's a good sign.
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Guardian reporting that Ferguson, Woodward and Arnold all want him to stay but the decision lies with Joel.
Guess we're waiting for Joel to watch Match of the Day then.
Guess we're waiting for Joel to watch Match of the Day then.
It's not tin foil stuff to have zero faith in this board seeing how things have been for the last few years. Having any faith in then at this stage is nothing more blind faith.
My take is that they don't want Conte and are unsure on which manager to go for. They will let this ride out and hope Ole turns it around your a manager becomes available in the summer. This club is all hope and blind faith
I still don't think he's lost the dressing room. They probably just like us know that he isnt' good enough. They'll give their all on the weekend given they'll want to respond to the result last weekend, the fact that it's Spurs who are mediocre and Ole is not a bad character.
Bit old, that
I bet Fergie enjoys situation where, 8 and a half years since he retired, not one manager brought us real success. Makes him look even bigger.
Ole either wins next 3 games and stays, or loses to Spurs and gets sacked after that game or after City if they are to take more time to find a replacement. Either way, after 5-0 home loss, players reportedly being unhappy with manager and his staff, we're not winning 3 games in a row, even if was 3 easier opponents. City could trash us the way Liverpool did.
Nothing obvious about that, the meltdown started before he was given the job full time. Ole being a caretaker or a permanent manager wouldn't have affected the disastrous results after the PSG game.
Solksjaer the manager getting support for scoring that goal as a player 20 yeas ago is stupid. There's no connection.
Not really sure what the Tory government has to do with the tripe he’s spouting either
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