Ole Sack Watch

[United Hobbit]

Its got to the stage where even if we get hammered nothing will change. The cycle will continue, shit performances, sneaking a draw or nicking a win. Come the end of the season he flukes top 4 and will be in charge for another season.

Oh I completely agree, I'm starting to become numb to when we manage to salvage something, which absolutely sickens me

We've got a fantastic team as well, which makes it even more infuriating, if he was having to work with some of our recent squads, I'd perhaps understand the mediocrity, he's so lucky we have several fantastic players now to bail him out.

When's the next fan's forum? Does anyone here get to ask questions, if so we should challenge them as to why he was kept when he's out of his depth and our results are so poor despite the fantastic squad. Surely boards have to be accountable for their decisions and be able to justify them?

 

[Red Star One]

How about panic appointing the first manager that’s available right now and throwing away the next two to three instead?

I mean it’s very telling that you assume United only has two ways forward - either Ole or “first available manager” that will surely ruin our next seasons. I mean with one of these options at least you know what you get, so perhaps stable and consistent tragedy of Ole doesn’t seem so bad

 

[lilcurt]

How about panic appointing the first manager that’s available right now and throwing away the next two to three instead?

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Caretaker managers exist!

Ole needs to go now. Then we get a caretaker while negotiating and paying what's needed to get Ten Hag as soon as we can.

 

[padzilla]

If this year ends with Ole and Woodward gone then progress will have been made.

 

[LawCharltonBest]

If he’d lost last night and again against city this weekend then I think he’d have been replaced.

As it is, with the win against Spurs and the draw last night, I think he’s survived the international break even if we lose this weekend.

 

[Drizzle]

Who spent 75 million on Sancho and big money on Ronaldo's wages? Our resources is never an issue, but our competence is.

Indeed, hence my comment.

 

[Ayoba]

Why are you guys doing this to yourselves? It's obvious he's not going to be sacked, even if we lose the city game he's gotten himself a reprieve by getting results against spurs and Atalanta (I assume that's how the board will look at it).

He's here for the season, just accept it.

 

[Handsome Devil]

Maybe the board have targeted some elite or near elite managers but they've taken a long look at the shitshow here and said no. I mean Conte could have waited another few days until after the City game to see if anything had changed. Instead he accepts a new deal with Spuds after rejecting them in the summer.
But maybe I'm just being daft and the board is really just not that bothered yet and Ole survives again.

 

[Skills]

When did football clubs only hire managers who are out of work? I know it's the Glazers' preferred model because it saves a few quid, but if we're keeping this clown on because nobody they fancy is out of work then they are an even bigger bunch of cretins than I first feared.

Most clubs do that. Paying to get managers out of contracts is a waste of money. Managers aren't assets they're liabilities - and in turn paying for them means you're increasing the clubs overall liability.

Madrid rarely ever pay for managers.

 

[Wilt]

Conte ‘unexpectedly’ signing for Spurs has definitely given Ole some breathing space.

Yet again Ole’s lucky pants work magic.

 

[Skills]

How about panic appointing the first manager that’s available right now and throwing away the next two to three instead?

We miss out on top 4 this season, you can throw away next season too.

 

[Ralph1386]

How about panic appointing the first manager that’s available right now and throwing away the next two to three instead?

How about offering a contract to a better manager until the end of the season and then taking it from there? It’s not difficult to find an upgrade on our Championship-level coaching.

 

[Marcus]

Hope we beat City. I don't care in what fashion. It's obvious United will stick with Ole come hell or high water and we best not do our collective heads in not knowing whether to be happy whether we win or lose.

 

[DWelbz19]

It's kind of funny seeing one of the greatest players of all time being managed by an absolute amateur like Ole Just looks and feels wrong.

His last two managers have been Pirlo and Ole. Not the best way to be spending your very last years at the top

 

[Infra-red]

Conte ‘unexpectedly’ signing for Spurs has definitely given Ole some breathing space.

Yet again Ole’s lucky pants work magic.

Emery leaving Villarreal just before our crucial CL game with them would also be a massive slice of luck.

What was it that Napoleon said, "I'd rather have lucky generals than good ones."

 

[pascell]

Is that 5 points Ronaldo has earned us in the CL with late goals? Out of 7 too.

It was one of the easier groups to navigate also but then again, only we'd lose to the weakest team in the group.

When does this horror of a ride end?!

 

[Skills]

Emery leaving Villarreal just before our crucial CL game with them would also be a massive slice of luck.

What was it that Napoleon said, "I'd rather have lucky generals than good ones."

Emery is staying apparently

 

[EdinburghDevil]

It's the performances as much as the results at this stage.

We don't look like a team who are improving. We look like a team that is lost at sea. Our only decent performances have come against Newcastle and Spurs who have now both sacked their managers and Leeds. 3 games out of 16 (I think!!). We wouldn't normally expect 3 bad performances out of 16 games.

 

[Laurencio]

I mean...

Is that 5 points Ronaldo has earned us in the CL with late goals? Out of 7 too.

It was one of the easier groups to navigate also but then again, only we'd lose to the weakest team in the group.

When does this horror of a ride end?!

It's not that bad, I mean it's only been 8 years

 

[JoaquinJoaquin]

If he’d lost last night and again against city this weekend then I think he’d have been replaced.

As it is, with the win against Spurs and the draw last night, I think he’s survived the international break even if we lose this weekend.

Agree with this.

Unless it goes real sour and he goes on a big losing streak (which won't happen with this crop of players), then he is getting until the end of the season unfortunately.

 

[Gazautd18]

More luck than Domino from Deadpool

 

[Wilt]

If he’d lost last night and again against city this weekend then I think he’d have been replaced.

As it is, with the win against Spurs and the draw last night, I think he’s survived the international break even if we lose this weekend.

Not so sure ….another ‘Liverpool type stuffing’ and I think that‘ll be his lot.

Problem being there’s no obvious replacement available.

 

[NK86]

Our next coach doesn't have to be out of contract. Pay whatever it takes to get them here.

Who can we go for who would be as highly skilled and experienced as Conte and would be willing to come to us from their current club. No such choices. The only probable ones are either not good enough or have massive question marks over their ability.

 

[the_cliff]

This thread should be closed tbh, he's going nowhere unfortunately. Just got to get behind them for the rest of the season. I really wanted Conte but I guess our incompetent board didn't. Gonna be a long season, hope we can at least snatch 4th place. It's funny how everyone was expecting a title challenge, now we'd all take 4th place. It's only November.

 

[Wilt]

This thread should be closed tbh, he's going nowhere unfortunately. Just got to get behind them for the rest of the season. I really wanted Conte but I guess our incompetent board didn't. Gonna be a long season, hope we can at least snatch 4th place. It's funny how everyone was expecting a title challenge, now we'd all take 4th place. It's only November.

It will be closed ….May 16th 2022

 

[DM07]

Say what you might, but can't deny Ole has made the CL group stages a hell lot more interesting than they used to be. Last season, we had that victory in Paris, followed by thrashing Liebzeig at home. That was followed by the incredible defeat against Istanbul, and the last GW where we needed a draw but went three behind, put up a fight but eventually came short.

This season we have had the upset against the young 'uns, followed by late comeback wins against Villareal and Atlanta. Then yesterday. We used to have this kind of excitement during the late stages of CL under Fergie. Kudos to Ole to have bought that excitement to September-October instead of March-April.

 

[the_cliff]

Say what you might, but can't deny Ole has made the CL group stages a hell lot more interesting than they used to be. Last season, we had that victory in Paris, followed by thrashing Liebzeig at home. That was followed by the incredible defeat against Istanbul, and the last GW where we needed a draw but went three behind, put up a fight but eventually came short.

This season we have had the upset against the young 'uns, followed by late comeback wins against Villareal and Atlanta. Then yesterday. We used to have this kind of excitement during the late stages of CL under Fergie. Kudos to Ole to have bought that excitement to September-October instead of March-April.

Well that's a positive way to look at things , He did bring the excitement earlier. However, by March/April we're usually in the Europa so we don't get any excitement in March or April either unfortunately.

 

[Wilt]

Is that 5 points Ronaldo has earned us in the CL with late goals? Out of 7 too.

It was one of the easier groups to navigate also but then again, only we'd lose to the weakest team in the group.

When does this horror of a ride end?!

Weakest team in the CL.

 

[pascell]

Weakest team in the CL.

I think Malmo are a contender

 

[largelyworried]

This thread should be closed tbh, he's going nowhere unfortunately. Just got to get behind them for the rest of the season. I really wanted Conte but I guess our incompetent board didn't. Gonna be a long season, hope we can at least snatch 4th place. It's funny how everyone was expecting a title challenge, now we'd all take 4th place. It's only November.

On balance Id guess he's here til the end of the season, if only for the lack of a replacement. But the way the team is playing this season, it could easily come much sooner. Given how wildly inconsistent we are, id say that losing to all three of City, Chelsea and Arsenal in the coming weeks is unlikely - feels like we'll randomly win 1, draw 1 and lose 1. But if we do lose all three then I think he's out of a job. Get past that stage then I think he's good for the season. We won't bother sacking him if we get to, say, March before our next really bad spell.

 

[Wilt]

I think Malmo are a contender

I checked the odds after Young boys beat Utd and they were still 1000/1 ranked outsider.

 

[ShinjiNinja26]

This squad really shouldn’t be struggling as much as we are in this CL group. I’m convinced a proper manager would’ve already had this group sewn up by now allowing us to concentrate on the league for the time being and also give a lot of our fringe players some game time in the remaining couple of games against Villarreal and Young Boys.

 

[the_cliff]

On balance Id guess he's here til the end of the season, if only for the lack of a replacement. But the way the team is playing this season, it could easily come much sooner. Given how wildly inconsistent we are, id say that losing to all three of City, Chelsea and Arsenal in the coming weeks is unlikely - feels like we'll randomly win 1, draw 1 and lose 1. But if we do lose all three then I think he's out of a job. Get past that stage then I think he's good for the season. We won't bother sacking him if we get to, say, March before our next really bad spell.

The thing is I don't see us losing all three games, we have brilliant individual players that can win games out of nothing, despite no shape, tactics and system. Therefore, we're always going to be inconsistent. we'll win 2 then lose 2, rinse and repeat.

Somebody mentioned it early as being in a perpetual state, which is very fitting to where we are right now. The players are too good to get Ole sacked and the manager is not good enough to have a run at any sort of silverware. Perpetuity.

 

[laughtersassassin]

Has to be sacked after the City game.

There is not a single good argument to keep him

Last night should have him closer to the exit door by right

 

[DomesticTadpole]

I always look at the players when they are coming out for the game. Ours always look scared s**tless. SAF's side always looked ready to rip someone head off. That was one of the reasons there was a fear factor with them.

 

[romufc]

Has to be sacked after the City game.

There is not a single good argument to keep him

Last night should have him closer to the exit door by right

He should have been sacked straight away after losing 5-0 to Liverpool.

In my mind, he is safe till end of the season now, we have to accept that now. There is no way we sack Ole this season.

 

[RazorOz]

It's the performances as much as the results at this stage.

We don't look like a team who are improving. We look like a team that is lost at sea. Our only decent performances have come against Newcastle and Spurs who have now both sacked their managers and Leeds. 3 games out of 16 (I think!!). We wouldn't normally expect 3 bad performances out of 16 games.

The performances right now are a far bigger deal than the results, because it's blindingly obvious to anyone who isn't absolutely blinkered that we're not performing well, we are worse than last season, and that's a big concern. You've already seen why with eg. the Leicester and Liverpool games, but there is more of those games to come if we keep playing like this.

The concern is already that we might not make top 4 this season, and that's huge come down from pre-season for a side that finished 2nd and added Ronaldo, Sancho and Varane. We've already played Liverpool and looked miles away, we've got City and Chelsea coming up this month to try and show we belong, but they way we're playing is anyone convinced we will?

He should have been sacked straight away after losing 5-0 to Liverpool.

In my mind, he is safe till end of the season now, we have to accept that now. There is no way we sack Ole this season.

There's a lot of posts like this, but it definitely isn't a case of Solskjaer is now safe to the end of the season. If the board think top 4 is at threat, they will act, that's what they care about, when they think income will be affected. November is a huge month shaping how safe Solskjaer is given the games, we actually have a good run of fixtures after that, but 2 of our next 3 league games are against City and Chelsea, lose both and the pressure will almost certainly be on, I hate how fickle football is, but it is exactly how it is, even if we lose this weekend the pressure will be growing again, as the narrative will change to we only beat a rubbish Tottenham side (who immediately responded by sacking their manager). The month also contains a crucial Villarreal game, not qualifying from our CL group will surely be seen as total failure, and again would be a loss of income.

 

[El Zoido]

He should have been sacked straight away after losing 5-0 to Liverpool.

In my mind, he is safe till end of the season now, we have to accept that now. There is no way we sack Ole this season.

He’s definitely not safe until the end of the season. Strong rumours about him almost being sacked after the Liverpool game, he’s on thin ice and he’s not going to survive another beating at home like that.

 

[romufc]

There's a lot of posts like this, but it definitely isn't a case of Solskjaer is now safe to the end of the season. If the board think top 4 is at threat, they will act, that's what they care about, when they think income will be affected. November is a huge month shaping how safe Solskjaer is given the games, we actually have a good run of fixtures after that, but 2 of our next 3 league games are against City and Chelsea, lose both and the pressure will almost certainly be on, I hate how fickle football is, but it is exactly how it is, even if we lose this weekend the pressure will be growing again, as the narrative will change to we only beat a rubbish Tottenham side (who immediately responded by sacking their manager). The month also contains a crucial Villarreal game, not qualifying from our CL group will surely be seen as total failure, and again would be a loss of income.

When does top 4 become a threat? For us its different to how the board will view it.

How many points behind 4th do we need to be for it to be a threat?

I feel it might be 10 points behind top 4 before they sack him, with the league the way it is, that will be tight. I think he will do just enough in certain games, pull off one of results like spurs and the pressure is gone.

From losing 4-2 and 5-0 where pressure was on, 1 win and it seems the pressure is disappeared. Lose to City and mounts up again, International break will reduce the pressure again and it will be the same.

We have seen it throughout his reign from that loss to Newcastle, Burnley, Spurs, Leipzig, Villareal, Liverpool.

 

[romufc]

He’s definitely not safe until the end of the season. Strong rumours about him almost being sacked after the Liverpool game, he’s on thin ice and he’s not going to survive another beating at home like that.

This is the thing though, why does he need another 5-0 beating to get sacked?