Ole Sack Watch

[DRJosh]

I find it quite bemusing that the Glazers are intent on using a small sample of games to judge Ole’s performance when they have hard empirical evidence from the past 3 years. I mean that’s a new level of idiocy.

Perhaps it’s a case of business and revenue overruling everything else

 

[El Zoido]

This is the thing though, why does he need another 5-0 beating to get sacked?

I agree, but it probably won’t take another beating, just any loss really. It’s a results game so he has to deliver wins.

Thing is, it’s a real pain changing manager. We’ve put a lot of stock in Ole and backed his changes and everything he’s implemented at the club, I can totally understand the reluctance to upset the apple cart. I don’t think anyone at the club wants to go through it again. But I do sense there an acceptance that Ole has taken us as far as he can. We’re not a club that’s set up to chop and change managers, maybe we need to address that.

 

[Hoof the ball]

"RONALDOOOOOO!!!! OHHHHH HE'S DELIVERED AGAIIIIN!!!"

Meanwhile, 86% of the Caf

Spoiler

 

[Ixion]

So he was going to get judged on the 3 games. If we lost to City that would be 1 win, draw and a defeat. I reckon he wouldn't be sacked after that so that is our standard now.

 

[LawCharltonBest]

"RONALDOOOOOO!!!! OHHHHH HE'S DELIVERED AGAIIIIN!!!"

Meanwhile, 86% of the Caf

Spoiler

I think there’s a middle ground.

Ive voted yes time to make a change because my head says we’ve probably reached the end of the progression under the current management, but I was absolutely screaming at the equaliser. I want to be proved wrong and I want us to be successful under Ole desperately

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

"RONALDOOOOOO!!!! OHHHHH HE'S DELIVERED AGAIIIIN!!!"

Meanwhile, 86% of the Caf

Spoiler

Nar, I was delighted with the win and delighted for Ronaldo especially, poor fecker doesn’t need to be playing in the CL when his current form should be putting him back in B d’Or contention next time around. Ridiculous as that sounds aged 36.
Nor should a draw in another shit performance convince the club that Ole is going places.
Every win or result that keeps us in contention for league battles or CL progress is great, and will be celebrated by the vast vast majority.
I have little doubt now that if Poch was fired tomorrow, Ole would lose his job shortly after. As it is though, I don’t think they have a great option in mind mid-season.

 

[Westerkerk]

So he was going to get judged on the 3 games. If we lost to City that would be 1 win, draw and a defeat. I reckon he wouldn't be sacked after that so that is our standard now.

To be fair, the vast majority of people (either on here, or pundits on radio/tv) were saying that a win vs. spurs, at least a draw with Atalanta and not to be disgraced vs City were an acceptable measure of the next three games, after the Liverpool one, so... it's a difficult one. In reality it will take more than those three games to prove you've learned something useful from hitting such a hard rock bottom, so how many games do you actually give him to show that?

The results are completely irrelevant to be honest, win, draw or lose. It genuinely is about tactics and performance - like, do we look like we're doing something different and sustainable and progressive? I was very interested in yesterdays game because we needed to see, as fans, whether the Spurs result was about them or us, and about changes made from lessons learned, or just a one-off reaction. Unfortunately I didn't see anything last night to suggest we're going to change anything at all - we were back to our old tricks and flat as a pancake from the second they scored the first goal.

 

[Hoof the ball]

I think there’s a middle ground.

Ive voted yes time to make a change because my head says we’ve probably reached the end of the progression under the current management, but I was absolutely screaming at the equaliser. I want to be proved wrong and I want us to be successful under Ole desperately

The head and the heart.

The heart desires the man to succeed, but the head cannot rationalise a way in which he can. For every moment of jubilance, there's long stretches of poor football, and if there's one thing we know about that, it's that how you play eventually bears the long-term fruit of its own approach. You play poorly enough, for long enough, then the moments of excellence ill-suffice to win anything, but suffice enough to keep you in some contention.

 

[Hoof the ball]

Nar, I was delighted with the win and delighted for Ronaldo especially, poor fecker doesn’t need to be playing in the CL when his current form should be putting him back in B d’Or contention next time around. Ridiculous as that sounds aged 36.
Nor should a draw in another shit performance convince the club that Ole is going places.
Every win or result that keeps us in contention for league battles or CL progress is great, and will be celebrated by the vast vast majority.
I have little doubt now that if Poch was fired tomorrow, Ole would lose his job shortly after. As it is though, I don’t think they have a great option in mind mid-season.

I'm not convinced by Poch; not as much as I used to. I get the feeling that a lot of the sentiment towards him is based on his very early work with Spurs, and not his latter couple of years, which were almost antithetical to the high-press, high-energy he was known for. But, character-wise, he's more of a fit for Glazers since he simply doesn't rock the boat.

 

[GlasgowRedz]

I think there’s a middle ground.

Ive voted yes time to make a change because my head says we’ve probably reached the end of the progression under the current management, but I was absolutely screaming at the equaliser. I want to be proved wrong and I want us to be successful under Ole desperately

Pretty much where I am with it all. I think Ole has done a really good job to this point, but seems incapable of taking us to the next level and that's why I think it's time for there to be a change. We have a good squad and I was expecting there to be further progression this season and a title challenge but it reality that is probably already gone.

I'm desperate to be proved wrong and will be delighted if we go on a great run and pull ourselves back into it and will always be happy when we win games. But the performances are just continually poor and so have most of the results. We need to improve massively, and soon.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

To be fair, the vast majority of people (either on here, or pundits on radio/tv) were saying that a win vs. spurs, at least a draw with Atalanta and not to be disgraced vs City were an acceptable measure of the next three games.

What the funk are you smoking??

A win versus a Spurs so poor they sacked their manager afterwards, a draw vs the 5th placed side in Serie A and “not being disgraced” so say 0-3 at home to City are “acceptable”, no the vast majority absolutely did not say that.

Acceptable would be a good showing and result versus City, showing that the management team have learnt from the Liverpool disgrace. Not acceptable is limping to piss poor defeat but at least “not disgraced”.

 

[R'hllor]

He wont get a sack, then again who cares, it doesnt even matter if he stays or someone else comes. There is no pressure, there is no demand and expectation from a get go, no standards whats so ever.

Instead of demanding high standards, deluded fecks move goal posts whenever is needed, double standards all over, one day being a winner is important, tomorrow aint etc. Jose came after Sevilla shitting all over the club they supposedly support, they tried to defend and downplay it. Its not really surprising, managers didnt even sign their contracts yet, they already got a song, feck standards. Dont come to with whole thats all supporting is about, when support is really needed, 1k muppets in away end out voice 70k plus, then again thats most the case for all clubs in PL.

 

[suheilsworld]

I think there’s a middle ground.

Ive voted yes time to make a change because my head says we’ve probably reached the end of the progression under the current management, but I was absolutely screaming at the equaliser. I want to be proved wrong and I want us to be successful under Ole desperately

This and a 1000 times this.

 

[Idxomer]

What the funk are you smoking??

A win versus a Spurs so poor they sacked their manager afterwards, a draw vs the 5th placed side in Serie A and “not being disgraced” so say 0-3 at home to City are “acceptable”, no the vast majority absolutely did not say that.

That would leave us 11 points off top with the Chelsea and Arsenal games coming up soon, who from the fans would accept that?

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

I'm not convinced by Poch; not as much as I used to.

Think that’s the same story for most of us, it’s just that it seems to fit perfectly with the way the club seems to operate

 

[suheilsworld]

Conte was never going to be a sound and safe answer for us. We do not have anyone credible available now and there is no point having a caretaker manager till end of the year. Why not continue with Ole and get Ten Hag confirmed to join us next year.

 

[UnofficialDevil]

We're in supporters' purgatory, and we're going nowhere.

He's not good enough to win us anything, but the squad is too good to be bad enough to get him sacked.

And of course the owners could care less.

There's so much to this squad too. If we had an actual football manager, it could really be something special.

This is exactly what’s happening. Our only chance of him getting sacked was after the Liverpool disgrace , but fact is Klopp kept him the job by keeping the score low.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

That would leave us 11 points off top with the Chelsea and Arsenal games coming up soon, who from the fans would accept that?

You’re arguing with a bloke that would’ve fired him directly after the Liverpool result.
My only point now is how ridiculous the idea that the poster claimed the vast majority would’ve considered a win vs Spurs, a draw vs Atalanta and a non-humiliating defeat to city as acceptable.

Now that we haven’t fired him and the Tottenham and Atalanta results are in, I think the only acceptable result at this stage versus City is a good performance and a result, be that a win or a draw. The idea that being beaten by City is acceptable as long as we’re not humiliated is one of the daftest things I’ve heard on here.

 

[Loon]

Conte was never going to be a sound and safe answer for us. We do not have anyone credible available now and there is no point having a caretaker manager till end of the year. Why not continue with Ole and get Ten Hag confirmed to join us next year.

That would involve a certain level of deceit and the belief the decision to replace Solskjaer HAS already been made. Of course, this is exactly what happened with van Gaal.

I'm inclined to think Solskjaer has been given time and a move for a new manager will only take place if he is fired.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Conte was never going to be a sound and safe answer for us. We do not have anyone credible available now and there is no point having a caretaker manager till end of the year. Why not continue with Ole and get Ten Hag confirmed to join us next year.

I think the worry for most fans as they have no trust in that club could be so intelligent and plan so well.
They know that should Ole last the season and scrape into fourth place with say a Champions League quarter-final appearance, there’s every chance that they would convince themselves that a couple of signings is all that is needed and that Ole can continue.

 

[the_cliff]

I think we'll get rid of Ole end of the season and get in Brendan Rodgers. That's my prediction.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

I think we'll get rid of Ole end of the season and get in Brendan Rodgers. That's my prediction.

Fergie clearly has a big say on the advisory board, and I cannot for the life of me imagine him giving the thumbs up to a former failed Liverpool manager.

 

[Rash Decision]

Fergie clearly has a big say on the advisory board, and I cannot for the life of me imagine him giving the thumbs up to a former failed Liverpool manager.

Fergie’s probably the reason why the other choice apart from Rodgers is Poch.

 

[Hisha]

Ole is incredibly lucky. Lucky to land a dream job and extremely lucky to take it this far. First it was Bruno and penalties and now he has a world class team and a GOAT saving him time and time again.

 

[the_cliff]

Fergie clearly has a big say on the advisory board, and I cannot for the life of me imagine him giving the thumbs up to a former failed Liverpool manager.

Well all recent reports say United are interested in Poch, Rodgers and Southgate. Poch is a possibility as well tbf. It's between Poch and Rodgers because I don't think Southgate will leave England before the world cup. Of course this is from the Athletic article and they don't usually talk none sense.

idk what's more terrifying the idea of Rodgers/Southgate managing us or the fact that our board (which includes Fergie) sees them as viable candidates.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Athletic talk a right load of nonsense.

Weird the cult following they’ve got as though they’re any different to other media outlets, they speculate and spout plenty of bollocks.

 

[Loon]

Fergie’s probably the reason why the other choice apart from Rodgers is Poch.

I'm inclined to think Fergie's the only reason Solskjaer's still in the job.

 

[LawCharltonBest]

Pretty much where I am with it all. I think Ole has done a really good job to this point, but seems incapable of taking us to the next level and that's why I think it's time for there to be a change. We have a good squad and I was expecting there to be further progression this season and a title challenge but it reality that is probably already gone.

I'm desperate to be proved wrong and will be delighted if we go on a great run and pull ourselves back into it and will always be happy when we win games. But the performances are just continually poor and so have most of the results. We need to improve massively, and soon.

Exactly. Absolutely agree with you

 

[Zoo]

Conte was never going to be a sound and safe answer for us. We do not have anyone credible available now and there is no point having a caretaker manager till end of the year. Why not continue with Ole and get Ten Hag confirmed to join us next year.

Why is there no point? Performances are terrible. Without Ronaldo it would be humiliation after humiliation. 5 at home to Liverpool, crashing out of the CL group stages two years in a row, who knows what is next now.

 

[Loon]

Well all recent reports say United are interested in Poch, Rodgers and Southgate. Poch is a possibility as well tbf. It's between Poch and Rodgers because I don't think Southgate will leave England before the world cup. Of course this is from the Athletic article and they don't usually talk none sense.

idk what's more terrifying the idea of Rodgers/Southgate managing us or the fact that our board (which includes Fergie) sees them as viable candidates.

What happened to ten Hag? He was listed as a candidate too.

 

[Wednesday at Stoke]

I'll take Wenger until the end of the season.

 

[Rash Decision]

I'm inclined to think Fergie's the only reason Solskjaer's still in the job.

My feeling is that it’s a combination of Fergie, the Class of 92, and Woodward himself refusing to admit that he screwed up yet another managerial appointment, and that all his long-term plans were built around the wrong man. And the decision makers in general probably don’t know enough about football to go against THE legend.

 

[Ixion]

It will drag on and on till Poch is fired. Maybe we need City to smash them and get him sacked sooner than later.

 

[Gordon Godot]

I think there’s a middle ground.

Ive voted yes time to make a change because my head says we’ve probably reached the end of the progression under the current management, but I was absolutely screaming at the equaliser. I want to be proved wrong and I want us to be successful under Ole desperately

Why are you so desparate for us to succeed 'under Ole'. Surely every fan wants the club to succeed. This almost religious obsession with Ole is becoming a huge problem though. Yes he was a good player, not in my view a legend, and a 'nice' chap. Is that all it takes to be a Utd manager, or we expect one of the top 3 clubs in the world to actually win trophies. And as a mimumum to entertain. Yet now we have 5 at the back as our desperate roll of the dice. Our £70m winger chased for two years, sat on the bench. Chasing the game we bring on Matic. His treatment of VDB and favouritism of certain players is appalling. He is a cowardly manager. But most damning of us all is the absolute lack of any coherent style or plan, we are mess and an embarrassment. If Ole had not scored one crucial goal would we be tolerating this stuff? The big problem remains Woodward and the other decision makers, clowns with no football knowledge. Ole should never have got the job, nor a new contract. Woodward doesnt want to sack him as it will focus attention on which idiot has made 3 terrible appointments.

 

[pocco]

I think we have to hope for a few things.

1) Brighton go from strength to strength and have a really good season, with Potter proving himself as much as possible that he's a potentially very good manager.
2) PSG sack Poch.
3) Ajax - same as Brighton.

That way we'll have at least 3 managers to choose from. I know some don't want certain managers for different reasons, but I'd like us to have some options that look viable, come the time we part ways with Ole. Otherwise the club will have an excuse to just continue as they are, which clearly isn't working. Not only do we not get consistent results but the performances are trash, the gameplan is non existant and there's fringe players/new signings not getting a look in because Ole is shit scared of something going wrong. Not only that but Ole is in damage limitation mode and has gone 5 at the back - the exact reason many were against the likes of Conte.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

I'll take Wenger until the end of the season.

100%, but do we really think he’d taint his Arsenal legacy to manage Manchester United for seven months?

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

I think we have to hope for a few things.

1) Brighton go from strength to strength and have a really good season, with Potter proving himself as much as possible that he's a potentially very good manager.
2) PSG sack Poch.
3) Ajax - same as Brighton.

That way we'll have at least 3 managers to choose from. I know some don't want certain managers for different reasons, but I'd like us to have some options that look viable, come the time we part ways with Ole. Otherwise the club will have an excuse to just continue as they are, which clearly isn't working. Not only do we not get consistent results but the performances are trash, the gameplan is non existant and there's fringe players/new signings not getting a look in because Ole is shit scared of something going wrong. Not only that but Ole is in damage limitation mode and has gone 5 at the back - the exact reason many were against the likes of Conte.

I’m hoping Messi keeps being dog shit and then has a little strop blaming it on the manager and forces Poch out

 

[Ixion]

100%, but do we really think he’d taint his Arsenal legacy to manage Manchester United for seven months?

Or manage the 70k fans that chanted he was a pedophile.

 

[the_cliff]

I think we have to hope for a few things.

1) Brighton go from strength to strength and have a really good season, with Potter proving himself as much as possible that he's a potentially very good manager.
2) PSG sack Poch.
3) Ajax - same as Brighton.

That way we'll have at least 3 managers to choose from. I know some don't want certain managers for different reasons, but I'd like us to have some options that look viable, come the time we part ways with Ole. Otherwise the club will have an excuse to just continue as they are, which clearly isn't working. Not only do we not get consistent results but the performances are trash, the gameplan is non existant and there's fringe players/new signings not getting a look in because Ole is shit scared of something going wrong. Not only that but Ole is in damage limitation mode and has gone 5 at the back - the exact reason many were against the likes of Conte.

Tbh with you any one of Rodgers, Poch, Ten Hag and Potter is a significant upgrade on Ole. If results get worse and there's no options I'd go for Potter right now regardless of if Brighton go from strength to strength. They play a lot better than we do.

 

[suheilsworld]

Why is there no point? Performances are terrible. Without Ronaldo it would be humiliation after humiliation. 5 at home to Liverpool, crashing out of the CL group stages two years in a row, who knows what is next now.

Who would be your choice for a caretaker manager till next year (provided Ten Haag will only leave in summer)? The current crop under him are pretty much useless