Ole Sack Watch

[RedDevilRoshi]

Why is it always one more fecking game with the board and Ole? Is the last couple of weeks not enough evidence to show he’s finished here? So what happens if we beat Watford a game we really should be winning easily anyway, does that overrule any shite performances we then put in against Villarreal and Chelsea like it seems to have done with the Tottenham win before the Atalanta and City games. The vicious cycle continues.

Your last sentence sums it up. If we win and the PR is just going to go over the roof as if we’ve just won the Champions League. Will be like the City performance and result never happened and everything is all rosy. Lose and it’s just the same old crap - persevere and trust the process.

Our goal at the start of the season was to challenge for the title. Now you’ll be lucky if we even qualify for the Europa Conference League judging by our performances and the way this club is being led.

 

[Salford_Red83]

You ever read about that experiment, where if you drop a frog in boiling water it will immediately jump out. But if you take that same frog and put it in cold water and slowly boil that water, it will just sit there and allow itself to be boiled alive?

That's what I feel is happening to United - we're just sat there while it's being boiled alive.

 

[laughtersassassin]

One of the biggest problems with keeping Ole is a win against Watford which is very easy saves his job for another few weeks

Beating Watford and fail to beat Chelsea and Arsenal he would still keep his job

The amount he will have to lose to lose his job is practically impossible to do.

He should be fired by now but if we are keeping him he needs to be set very clear tasks

I'd say win 4 out of next 4 or your fired would be reasonable considering how shit our run is currently.

 

[The Brown Bull]

Ronaldo had maybe our best team of all time, Pogba for the majority of his time here has had our worst squad for the last 30 years. Ronaldo's been here for 2 months now and there's already reports of him wanting to go in the summer.

But for Ronaldo it's standards, for Pogba it's he's a snake.

Personally I think both are wrong, I'm just showing you the double standards.

How many top performances has Pogba put in since we re-signed him?
With his ability and strengths he should be dominating games week in week out.He’s not, he never has.
I’m not a Ronaldo “fanboy’ but there’s no denying his impact.There’s no denying his effort.

 

[The_Order]

Exactly who are the realistic caretaker candidates?

Ralph wants to have a go.

I don't see why not. A manikin could do a better job.

 

[pocco]

This as well as the rest of the lads wanting out is a major reason why Ole can't continue.

Imagine losing Ronaldo Pogba and many others wanting out all in the same summer.

The embarrassment would be crazy.

And Ronnie would be correct to leave as he is too old for us to be wasting his last few years of his career

No wonder Rio is suddenly Ole out. Ronaldo must be unhappy with Ole and Rio isn't that daft to keep backing him under those circumstances.

 

[MUFC OK]

Depends what score we lose by, if we did lose and Ata beat YB:

MD5
Villarreal 10
Atalanta 8
United 7
YB 3

We'd finish on 10 if we beat YB on MD6, and finish above Atalanta unless they beat Villrreal.

If we & Villarreal both finish on 10, it goes down to head-to-head

This is exactly how I see us going out. Villarreal beat us by 2 and then lose to Atalanta.

 

[croadyman]

Listening to the stream now. Whitwell just said the reason for Glazers not sacking is likely 1) Ole Brought stability by qualifying back to back for CL, 2) Ole termination will cost money and 3) Ole has a bond with the Glazers and they like him. So they hope he can turn it around.

Jesus my hopes of a change look officially dead due to them being too bloody tight to pay him off, what a bloody shock, yes he has a bond because he won't rock the boat and is absolutely nothing more than a puppet for them and it's sickening

 

[Adnan]

We're sole runner in the PL for Varane. RM couldn't offer the wage he wanted for his status.

SAF failed to convince Michael Owen to join us before he made professional debut for Liverpool. Liverpool back then was hardly well run, not SAF lack attractiveness in youth promotion. Then we had SAF and young John Terry, a supposed United fan. Those thing happened.

There are many elements in place. Too naive and simple to associate those as success to Fletcher. Liverpool pathway to the first team is not easy. They have been selling off youth for a few years now. Chelsea similarly. They're selling because they're packed now, meaning they did good in the past. Are we doing better than them, or we're benefiting from lagging behind. However, we're destined to end up like them as our cycle would soon reach the same end?! No pathway to first team, and scattergun approach in term of first team recruitment. Vision, a foundation on style of play consistency through the rank. Where is it? Is Fletcher heavily involved in that duty?

SAF failing to sign Owen from Liverpool reinforces my point about how difficult it is to sign players from our biggest rivals hence it was likely a good pitch from Fletcher to convince Ethan Ennis to join us over staying at Liverpool or moving to Chelsea. The Athletic reported that Fletcher played a big part in convincing Varane to join United.

And there's a difference between what Fletcher's role entails and what the manager is doing at first team level. Fletcher and the recruitment team have done their job as far as I'm concerned and the bottom level is now much improved at youth and first team level. The manager not giving the youth a chance isn't Fletcher's fault because the manager quite simply predates Fletcher and Murtough in their current roles. I think the next guy in will possibly come in as the head coach and I'm confident we'll see the likes of Hannibal, Elanga, Amad etc feature.

 

[croadyman]

Also from the stream with Whitwell - he genuinely believes there are no conversations with other managers to a serious degree. It is not how they tend to do things. Mourinho and Ole were only seriously spoken to after the sackings.

United were never seriously in for Conte he says.

Yeah it's as depressing as I thought it was going to be so won't bother listening and make myself feel even worse

 

[ShinjiNinja26]

This guy can be the caretaker. He has always been the caretaker.

If I have to suffer much more of Ole’s United it might drive me to this.

 

[beer&grill]

SAF failing to sign Owen from Liverpool reinforces my point about how difficult it is to sign players from our biggest rivals hence it was likely a good pitch from Fletcher to convince Ethan Ennis to join us over staying at Liverpool or moving to Chelsea. The Athletic reported that Fletcher player a big part in convincing Varane to join United.

And there's a difference between what Fletcher's role entails and what the manager is doing at first team level. Fletcher and the recruitment team have done their job as far as I'm concerned and the bottom level is now much improved at youth and first team level. The manager not giving the youth a chance isn't Fletcher's fault because the manager quite simply predates Fletcher and Murtough in their current roles. I think the next guy in will possibly come in as the head coach and I'm confident we'll see the likes of Hannibal, Elanga, Amad etc feature.

“Come and fight with us for top 4. Here everybody is mates with everybody. Good vibes only!”

 

[Red Viking]

The Glazers seems to be willing to ignite a huge conflict with the fans over a poor manager that isnt up to the standards in this league is kinda mind-boggling to say the least. Any sane or acute business people would never inflict so much potential public relations damage unto them selves for someone this inadequate in the manager position. It seems their strategy is just to delay, delay and delay until the fans get tired of protesting against Ole at the moment. The fans already dislike them a lot and this have potential to make the fans angry enough to become motivated enough towards pushing the Glazers out of the club. The Glazers are playing with fire here for next to no benefit beside a personal relationship with Ole and his acolytes around the club. I´m getting seriously fed up with the Glazer family as a fellow red fan and i´m considering getting involved personally in organizing the fans to get inept owners out of the club if they do not wise up very soon. However this means putting my own personally goal of getting into politics being set aside until this is done. This would require resources though to be done properly as it requires a lot work of different kinds.

I did give Bernie Sanders the pr strategy that forced Amazon to change their starting wage structure for ordinary warehouse workers from 10 to 15 dollars in the U.S.A. I made this happen and Bezos are far more intelligent than the Glazers. I have no axe to grind with ordinary employees at the football club and everything that would be done is to force ownership change for the greater good of the football club it self. The Glazers ownership of this club is poisonous at this stage and is damaging one of the biggest English cultural icons.

 

[Adnan]

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“Come and fight with us for top 4. Here everybody is mates with everybody. Good vibes only!”

Only if it was that simple to convince one of the best CBs in the world.

 

[croadyman]

Hopeless situation. I think I’m out until the club wakes up.

Yeah no joke reading Whitwell's quotes is making me think there is no way back and can't take any more of this right now

 

[Rash Decision]

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Only if it was that simple to convince one of the best CBs in the world.

Regardless of how good a job Fletcher is currently doing in this regard, I believe he’ll lose credibility sooner rather than later if this keeps up.

 

[Cal?]

This is exactly how I see us going out. Villarreal beat us by 2 and then lose to Atalanta.

Ronaldo to score another brace whilst we lose to Villarreal 3-2 may be the best result for us.

Finally we drop into 3rd place in the CL group to get Ole out, needing a win against YB to progress to the KO stage.

 

[Adnan]

Regardless of how good a job Fletcher is currently doing in this regard, I believe he’ll lose credibility sooner rather than later if this keeps up.

I think we need to make a distinction between the coaching staff and the guys on the structural side of the club, which is the support for the football side of the club from all age groups. And for me the biggest issue at the club is the coaching staff who are very inexperienced at the level we aspire to be at. Because when I look at the players we have at the club from the u18s/u23s/first team, then the issue isn't a recruitment one but a coaching one, that isn't aligned with the recruitment team, hence Solskjaer's title is 'manager'

 

[United Hobbit]

This has been my feeling for some time but I have lost all sort of entertainment about watching United. For me watching United has started to become more of a job rather than a hobby. Previously if there was a match, I'll try to clear my schedule so that I have some good fun watching the game. Now it feels like "Shit, there's a game today, I'll have to somehow free time I could have spent doing something more useful to watch it".

It's a shame that I'm feeling this way but I just can't ignore it. I now get more angry when we don't win not because of the result but because I felt I wasted my time watching a shit game without any benefit coming from it when I could have used this time better.

That's how United had made me feel especially last few seasons under Ole. I just don't find any sort of entertainment from watching United games. It's a job now that I have to do, not 2 hours of having some fun away from life problems.

You're not the only one, it feels like at the point absolutely nothing will get him the sack the board are almost in awe of him and worship him, he can do no wrong in their eyes

We are the laughing stock of football, made worse by the fact 2 of our biggest, most hated rivals have world class managers and play exciting football

The biggest insult is we have a fantastic squad that with a world class manager, maybe even a very good manager, could be winning trophies.

Instead we potentially have to watch all our best players want out/ successful clubs with competent managers come circling and we be back to worse than square one

It is absolute insanity at this point, why on earth did we give him a 3 year contract when he was already showing clear signs he was out of his depth?

Rival fans are desperate for us to keep him. We are now a circus both on and off the pitch and it's soul destroying seeing the only ones with the power to stop it burying their heads further and further into the sand.

The season could and should have been salvaged. Let's not forget he's even stopped the "United dna" of blooding youngsters

If we were a school we'd be in special measures that's just how incompetent, shambolocally run and massively underperforming we are.

I expect the board are so far gone they think its our fans singing that fecking song in support of him

 

[Rash Decision]

I think we need to make a distinction between the coaching staff and the guys on the structural side of the club, which is the support for the football side of the club from all age groups. And for me the biggest issue at the club is the coaching staff who are very inexperienced at the level we aspire to be at. Because when I look at the players we have at the club from the u18s/u23s/first team, then the issue isn't a recruitment one but a coaching one, that isn't aligned with the recruitment team, hence Solskjaer's title is 'manager'

I agree, but surely the whole club’s image will be tarnished if we continue to be run as comically as this. At that point, if I were a player looking for a big club, I’d think thrice about whatever dream Fletcher tries to sell me knowing that the club is in such a mess.

 

[Adisa]

We always doubted our owners had any interest in glory but the stark evidence is tough to take. These guys would not bat an eye if Liverpool retook the league record.

 

[croadyman]

Cheers Utd for ending my football interest in early November and Whitwell's quotes have made me feel like crying

 

[Adnan]

I agree, but surely the whole club’s image will be tarnished if we continue to be run as comically as this. At that point, if I were a player looking for a big club, I’d think thrice about whatever dream Fletcher tries to sell me knowing that the club is in such a mess.

I agree, Joel Glazer needs to relieve him of his duties or it will start affecting the work at recruitment level when attempting to convince the intended transfer targets to join us. But Joel Glazer has always been a little slow to react and on this occasion even slower.

 

[Banana Republic]

There's no use hoping we somehow scrape through the CL group stage and qualify for the start of the knockout rounds.
Unless we get a supposedly weaker team in the draw, we are odds on to be knocked out straight away.

In the league, only the results of other teams just behind us going in our favour this last weekend, prevented us from going into the break this week in 10th or 11th place.
So it could have been be bleaker; but going forward, on current form and with the present management and coaching, I really can't see us winning more than 50% of the 9 PL games before the turn of the year.

After the break, we have 2 fixtures a week, every week until Christmas.
It's going to be difficult to bring in a new manager during that run of games.


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[LawCharltonBest]

There's no use hoping we somehow scrape through the CL group stage and qualify for the start of the knockout rounds.
Unless we get a supposedly weaker team in the draw, we are odds on to be knocked out straight away.

In the league, only the results of other teams just behind us going in our favour, prevented us from going into the break this week in 10th or 11th place.
So it could have been be bleaker; but going forward, on current form and with the present management and coaching, I really can't see us winning more than 50% of the 9 PL games before the turn of the year.

After the break, we have 2 fixtures a week, every week until Christmas.
It's going to be difficult to bring in a new manager during that run of games.


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Not with a caretaker lined up.

Mourinho was sacked on the 18th, Solskjaer was in the dugout on the 22nd

 

[croadyman]

There's no use hoping we somehow scrape through the CL group stage and qualify for the start of the knockout rounds.
Unless we get a supposedly weaker team in the draw, we are odds on to be knocked out straight away.

In the league, only the results of other teams just behind us going in our favour this last weekend, prevented us from going into the break this week in 10th or 11th place.
So it could have been be bleaker; but going forward, on current form and with the present management and coaching, I really can't see us winning more than 50% of the 9 PL games before the turn of the year.

After the break, we have 2 fixtures a week, every week until Christmas.
It's going to be difficult to bring in a new manager during that run of games.


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Yeah I was honestly gutted Chelsea drew that game and I know that doesn't make me a proper fan

 

[Cal?]

There's no use hoping we somehow scrape through the CL group stage and qualify for the start of the knockout rounds.
Unless we get a supposedly weaker team in the draw, we are odds on to be knocked out straight away.

In the league, only the results of other teams just behind us going in our favour this last weekend, prevented us from going into the break this week in 10th or 11th place.
So it could have been be bleaker; but going forward, on current form and with the present management and coaching, I really can't see us winning more than 50% of the 9 PL games before the turn of the year.

After the break, we have 2 fixtures a week, every week until Christmas.
It's going to be difficult to bring in a new manager during that run of games.

Zidane was appointed Jan 2016, by the end of May, they were CL winners.

 

[The_Order]

Any way to change this forum to a dark theme?

this light theme is killer on the eyes.

 

[Wing Attack Plan R]

Not with a caretaker lined up.

Mourinho was sacked on the 18th, Solskjaer was in the dugout on the 22nd

And then Ole went on a 14 game unbeaten streak, right?
So the only logical solution... is to sack Ole, then hire Ole as caretaker and watch him go on another streak. It's a win-win for everyone.

 

[Cal?]

And then Ole went on a 14 game unbeaten streak, right?
So the only logical solution... is to sack Ole, then hire Ole as caretaker and watch him go on another streak. It's a win-win for everyone.

No, the logical solution would be to hire Jose as caretaker.

 

[croadyman]

Any way to change this forum to a dark theme?

this light theme is killer on the eyes.

Yeah suitable because the mood is dark

 

[Roboc7]

It’s farcical, seems like going to try and cling on until end of season when he will inevitably be sacked.

Obvious he’s a lame duck and totally out of his depth so even though they’re desperate not to sack him they’ll have to at some point because it’s going to be an even bigger car crash. Just a waste of everyone’s time and effort.

 

[MrSingh2002]

Glazers are too rattled from the backlash when they tried to join the European Super League and scared to sack Ole.

Little do they know 90% of fans actually WANT them to sack their ex player and club legend Ole.

 

[Ralph1386]

This is not incompetence, this is sabotage!

 

[RedDevil@84]

This is not incompetence, this is sabotage!

That's what I shouted when Ole refused to make any subs for 90 mins

 

[Bastian]

It obviously makes sound economic sense to sack Ole and to grant decision making authority to top class football people when it comes to footballing matters. I don't think it's as much about hubris and glory (Glazers wanting to pick and choose) as it really is about having Ole as a shield. When he's gone, there will be no barrier between the supporters and the owners. Ole has worked wonders for them, keeping supporters on side during the protests and saying we're a fantastically well run club.

As soon as we get in an ambitious manager who has options elsewhere and wants to actually win stuff, the Glazers will be thrust straight into the firing line. With Woodward, Ole will be the fourth failed managerial appointment and with him gone, another buffer between the supporters and the owners will be removed. And they'll likely replace him with Arnold, who is another stooge.

What's the latest on their supposed willingness to dialogue with supporter groups?

 

[Ralph1386]

Can you guys imagine what this will do to our players? Ronaldo will be gone in the summer. Bruno, Van de beek will follow. Pogba is already gone. Cavani is leaving. Who will stay? McFred? Are we ready for another 400m rebuild?

 

[Compton22]

Glazers are too rattled from the backlash when they tried to join the European Super League and scared to sack Ole.

Little do they know 90% of fans actually WANT them to sack their ex player and club legend Ole.

What a turn of events it would be if they actually believe the majority of fans want them to stick by Ole

 

[Rolaholic]

 

[Rash Decision]

I agree, Joel Glazer needs to relieve him of his duties or it will start affecting the work at recruitment level when attempting to convince the intended transfer targets to join us. But Joel Glazer has always been a little slow to react and on this occasion even slower.

It seems, based on the media talk, that Joel Glazer is being badly advised by the board, the majority of whom apparently still back Solskjaer. There’s Woodward who won’t want to admit to yet another managerial failure before he leaves (then again why doesn’t he see he would look so much better if he rectifies the situation quickly?). Arnold is an unknown quantity but people think he’s a Woodward clone. Then there’s SAF, who undoubtedly retains much influence and who reportedly still wants Solskjaer to stay. (And all the Pochettino talk leads me to suspect that SAF still has a large say in managerial selection too.) If we were to give the likes of Murtough, Bout etc the benefit of the doubt, the evidence so far would suggest that they are not being listened to.

Given the above, I don’t see Joel Glazer reacting until the board changes its stance. It’s all looking extremely bleak at the moment mate.