Pogue Mahone
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I’ve blanked Ole’s end game from my memory. Too traumatic. Did we get out of jail with late goals/undeserved wins as much as we have in the beginning of this season?
I don't think so. We didn't play well of course, but we didn't steal points either.I’ve blanked Ole’s end game from my memory. Too traumatic. Did we get out of jail with late goals/undeserved wins as much as we have in the beginning of this season?
Perfectly put.We are in the sunk cost fallacy stage.
From a statistical standpoint there is no reason ETH should still have a job.
And from a football Quality standpoint there is no reason either.
With the money he has wasted on useless players it's become impossible to defend.
Essentially he isn't getting fired because the club decided that we already tried that before.
Yeh he would have fixed everything if we have another 200m for him to spend.I can see some promising signs personally. Hojlund fair play is looking a beast and we can finally now have a deep lying playmaker in Amrabat.
He almost won two trophies and got 3rd last season with no striker. We’ve needed a great playmaker to control games, a back 4 and a better attack then I’ll judge him.
Our attack is utterly shocking currently. Players are either non existent due to mental issues, lack regular goalscoring ability or are too young. Antony was his fault sure but your allowed one or two mistakes.
The keeper ticked many boxes when we signed him but sometimes transfers don’t work out. Wouldn’t put that on the manager all us fans said yeah sure looks a good footballer about Onana.
De Jong, Kane and Kim aren’t at United too which we can tell didn’t help ten Hag out one bit. Most of his main transfer targets he doesn’t seem to have.
It's tricky... On the one hand, we have pretty much played this whole season with minimum one (usually two, often three) of our 3 core players out: Varane, Martinez and Casemiro. And when we weren't that good to begin with the drop in quality is going to be brutal.ETH has more credit in his locker due to being a title winning manager at Ajax but he's quickly losing credit.
We're acting how we've always acted, we're never quick to sack the manager. It's normally only when things get totally desperate the manager gets sacked. Like go look back how bad the final run of games were that got Ole sacked, we'd won 1 of our last 7 league games, which included 3 smashings with the last coming against Watford, we're not at that level yet. ETH will go when things reach a similar desperate level.We are in the sunk cost fallacy stage.
From a statistical standpoint there is no reason ETH should still have a job.
And from a football Quality standpoint there is no reason either.
With the money he has wasted on useless players it's become impossible to defend.
Essentially he isn't getting fired because the club decided that we already tried that before.
People wanted ole sacked the season before he was sacked. People wanted ole sacked the moment he started and they were desperate to be right. A lot of those people are desperate to be right on Eth who appears on the surface to be a more credible manager.It felt like the knives were a lot sharper for Ole, ETH has more credit in his locker due to being a title winning manager at Ajax but he's quickly losing credit.
Ole's final games sealed his fate. But his whole tenure was full of nicking points when he looked doomed.I don't think so. We didn't play well of course, but we didn't steal points either.
Ole's last 5 games were particularly poor and that cost him. 4 losses and I think all of them were really ugly.
I remember those improbable results. Most fans were shushing those who were complaining about the football, same as those fans who kept pointing to 3 CL finals in 4 or 5 years (never mind 2 of them lost) when others talked about the dour football.We're acting how we've always acted, we're never quick to sack the manager. It's normally only when things get totally desperate the manager gets sacked. Like go look back how bad the final run of games were that got Ole sacked, we'd won 1 of our last 7 league games, which included 3 smashings with the last coming against Watford, we're not at that level yet. ETH will go when things reach a similar desperate level.
Someone mentioned were we getting the same out of jail wins at the end of Ole's reign, and the answer is yes, they were mostly in the Champions League, after that opening loss to Young Boys in the group, we somehow ended up with 7 points from home to Villarreal and the 2 games vs Atalanta, but we were lucky in all of them, from memory we should have been losing by more than 1 to Villarreal, but ultimately got a 95th minute winner, we were 2-0 down at home to Atalanta, but won 3-2 with a second half turnaround, I seem to remember us being heavily outplayed away to Atalanta, but Ronaldo got a 91st minute equaliser. Even in the league before that 1 in 7 run, we'd got that 89th minute Lingard winner vs West Ham from 1-0 down. So there was plenty of paper over the cracks before the eventual collapse.
I can't understand being a United fan and wanting the manager to fail. Why would you want to be right if it means that the club you support must suffer? It's like a hypochondriac gleefully celebrating their own cancer diagnosis. What a sad life that must be.People wanted ole sacked the season before he was sacked. People wanted ole sacked the moment he started and they were desperate to be right. A lot of those people are desperate to be right on Eth who appears on the surface to be a more credible manager.
For me it's very simple. I want every manager we get to succeed but I'm not afraid to call them out when I think it's clear they are getting nowhere.I can't understand being a United fan and wanting the manager to fail. Why would you want to be right if it means that the club you support must suffer? It's like a hypochondriac gleefully celebrating their own cancer diagnosis. What a sad life that must be.
That's not the same as hoping that they'll fail though.For me it's very simple. I want every manager we get to succeed but I'm not afraid to call them out when I think it's clear they are getting nowhere.
Of course but some on here seem to mix them up.That's not the same as hoping that they'll fail though.