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During SAF time, it used to be we can rely solely on good forward players to win us titles.

But Klopp and Pep had raised the bar so high that if you don't have a strong midfield and defence that can hold and play the balls dominating opposition you got no chance in modern day football.

The points required to win EPL now can be as high as more than 100 points.
By SAF do you mean Sir Alex Ferguson? The one that said “Attack wins you games, defence wins you titles”? Just clarifying…

Fergie built all his title-winning squads on very solid defences and brilliant midfields. The only thing exception came when the Glazers denied him funds in the “no value in the market” era. We still had great back-lines though. Across eras Fergie ensured we had all-time defensive greats protecting our goal - Bruce, Pallister, Stam, Irwin, Rio, Vidic, Evra… in midfield too, we generally (till the last few years) were always absolutely stacked.

We seem to forget how Fergie built his sides and how his teams generally dominated possession and built attacks. It’s not like Pep or Klopp invented the whole “let’s have ball-playing guys in midfield and defence” spiel.
 
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I was talking about the last few years. We were totally outplayed by Pep's Barcelona in 2 CL final. But we still won the EPL, the most obvious was RVP won it for us. But in modern game now, this is impossible. Look at Klopp and Pep team, they are complete in every department. Hence, 100 points season.
Those are exceptions rather than rule. We always had very good midfield.

Last 4 years it was average to poor as Scholes was close to retirement, Hargreaves was injured all the time and Anderson failed to step up.

RVP season, he was exceptional. Also our second best player that season was Carrick.
 

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Yeah I replied to someone else saying something similar. I worded it quite poorly as I did mean as a club but also as a fanbase talk of buying new attackers seems to be something of an afterthought.
Where are you getting this idea from?

I presume you must have been a lurker before you joined but did you miss the all of the threads and posts about us needing a proper number 9 and a right winger, two positions we've been woefully short of proper quality for years. Also the caf hyping potential moves for Sancho, Ronaldo, Haaland etc

As far as I can see most are aware we need to strengthen at CB, DM, RW, CF and both full back positions (which we obviously can't do in one window) Are you sure you're not just basing this on the current transfer rumours which are just that, rumours?
 

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By SAF do you mean Sir Alex Ferguson? The one that said “Attack wins you games, defence wins you titles”? Just clarifying…

Fergie built all his title-winning squads on very solid defences and brilliant midfields. The only thing exception came when the Glazers denied him funds in the “no value in the market” era. We still had great back-lines though. Across eras Fergie ensured we had all-time defensive greats protecting our goal - Bruce, Pallister, Stam, Irwin, Rio, Vidic, Evra… in midfield too, we generally (till the last few years) were always absolutely stacked.

We seem to forget how Fergie built his sides and how his teams generally dominated possession and built attacks. It’s not like Pep or Klopp invented the whole “let’s have ball-playing guys in midfield and defence” spiel.
I was referring to SAF last few years. We neglected midfield signing for years. In some extend defence too. SAF knew that he needs RVP goals for the last push for the title with the squad.

It is impossible in today's EPL. Liverpool and City can hold and play the ball all day . The entire team function well as an unit. No obvious weakness in any department.
 

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Defence midfield ans attack needsadressing in equal measure. Can have a really potent attack on paper but if we can't control play or transition the ball from defence to midfield to attack then we will have nothing more than headless chickens running round huffing and puffing.

Fair to say pretty much every great team hsa a rock solid defence in pretty much all team sports. Goals wins you games, defence wins you the right to get the brasso out.
 

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If you have a solid defence, strong CM, then you can go gung ho in attack.

Our recruitment has been just sign strikers & we've suffered a lot
 

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Ole's tactics were that we had forwards who scored goals. Rashford scored plenty, Lukaku did, Martial did, Greenwood did. It didn't really take us anywhere because we didn't have a functional midfield. I think we can live with our center backs for another season but we desperately need a whole new midfield, and that is where our priority should be. Two new midfielders, one striker, one fullback, and one winger. That should be our priority, in that order.
 

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I think it’s obvious our squad is full of holes. It’s well documented how we’re weak at full back, in midfield and pretty much every area. However it’s really strange to me to see us continually linked with the likes of Timber, Torres and just about any other player that isn’t an attacker.

Firepower is king. There’s a reason we all think Spurs will finish above us this season and it’s because Conte + Kane + Son = wins. Attackers are everything in this league. Fergie knew it - quality strikers on the pitch, quality strikers on the bench. That’s how you pick up points, that’s how you paper over cracks.

I read a stat on Twitter about how there’s only been one occasion in Premier League history in which a team has two players scoring more than 15 non penalty league goals and missed out on a CL spot (Spurs under Jose). That’s how we make top 4 and stay there. Sign a striker and a winger who’ll bag 40 goals between them. Worry about the rest later. Klopp knew it - all their big signings were in the front 6 positions, only once that was sorted did they spend 10m+ on defensive players.

Since Fergie retired we’ve never scored 80 goals in the league. We’ve scored 70 goals once! That’s criminal. It’s no surprise we’ve flitted in and out of the top 4 despite having many seasons of decent defensive records.

Of course to win the league we’ll have to strengthen everywhere. But priority one, two and three should be getting some fecking goals in this team.
I sort of agree with some of your sentiment. The fact is, our attackers have criminally underperformed over the last few seasons.

If you think back to the team under Solksjaer before the start of this season, we generally managed to get respectable results, especially against teams we could hit on the counter and/or away from home were the opposition had more desire/incentive to attack us.

However, we dropped points in so many games against weaker sides, particularly at OT, because we couldn't break them down. At the time, the funny thing was, posters seemed to want to blame everybody but the attackers. "We don't progress the ball through midfield well enough", "the full backs don't provide enough width and/or quality deliveries" and "the defensive line is too deep" was some of the common logic we heard in defence of our mis-firing attackers.

This season, in order to try and address these issues, Solskjaer attempted to implement a much more 'progressive' style, with the defence asked to play virtually on the halfway line and move the team 10 yards higher up the pitch. Now, we all saw what happened. You can't just "have a go" at doing this. You need a very specialist set-up with a team of players who have all been drilled military-style, can run all day and have 100% clarity on what they are supposed to be doing. We were clueless, and hence, we got embarrassed time and time and became the easiest team in the league to play against.

I certainly agree that we don't move the ball through midfield well enough and that we could have seen more attacking output from the full-backs at times, particularly on the right...but sometimes 'Occam's Razor" applies and the most obvious answer is the one staring you in the face...if your forwards/AMs aren't scoring/creating many goals, perhaps they are the ones who are not good enough or under-performing? We've seen so many 'average' PL strikers like Callum Wilson, Chris Wood, Teemu Pukki and Ivan Toney score goals in poor sides who create very little. What's our forwards excuse for continually failing to break-down sides like Sheffield United, Burnley and Southampton?

I think our forwards got off really lightly for a long time. The midfield gets hammered, the defence gets hammered, the GK gets hammered...but the attackers are/or have generally been seen in a more positive light by many on here. Personally, I think some of them are just really bad football players. Marcus Rashford could easily, easily be playing in a top Championship/lower PL side without that purple patch in his debut season, Martial is bone-idle and basically not a footballer, Juan Mata has the pace and dynamism of a 95 year old with a double hip replacement, Dan James was another who could easily be a Championship player and not stand out, Bruno is possibly one of the most wasteful footballers I have ever seen and Paul Pogba would be a better Futsal player than PL midfielder...these were the attackers Ole largely had at his disposal for most of his tenure.

It's bizarre that a club of United's side, with our History of outstanding forwards, have only really signed one "proper" CF (Lukaku) at the right age post-SAF, and even he lasted like two seasons. We've basically been playing wingers, children and 35 year olds at CF for a decade. Baffling!

So, this has gotten too long...but in general, I agree firepower is absolutely key and can make an average side half-decent, and this should be the focus over signing CBs and full-backs. We can do that next year or the year after, it's less of a priority for me. However, having said all of the above, we absolutely must sign two CMs this year.
 

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I think it’s obvious our squad is full of holes. It’s well documented how we’re weak at full back, in midfield and pretty much every area. However it’s really strange to me to see us continually linked with the likes of Timber, Torres and just about any other player that isn’t an attacker.

Firepower is king. There’s a reason we all think Spurs will finish above us this season and it’s because Conte + Kane + Son = wins. Attackers are everything in this league. Fergie knew it - quality strikers on the pitch, quality strikers on the bench. That’s how you pick up points, that’s how you paper over cracks.

I read a stat on Twitter about how there’s only been one occasion in Premier League history in which a team has two players scoring more than 15 non penalty league goals and missed out on a CL spot (Spurs under Jose). That’s how we make top 4 and stay there. Sign a striker and a winger who’ll bag 40 goals between them. Worry about the rest later. Klopp knew it - all their big signings were in the front 6 positions, only once that was sorted did they spend 10m+ on defensive players.

Since Fergie retired we’ve never scored 80 goals in the league. We’ve scored 70 goals once! That’s criminal. It’s no surprise we’ve flitted in and out of the top 4 despite having many seasons of decent defensive records.

Of course to win the league we’ll have to strengthen everywhere. But priority one, two and three should be getting some fecking goals in this team.
Like I said, that’s how you paper over cracks. We can have a top 4 quality defence if that’s what people prefer. But I highly doubt it’ll lead to us making top 4 next season with this set of attackers. 2 new signings who score 40 goals between them and I’d be astounded if we missed out.
When Kompany left and before Dias joined, City failed to win the league despite of Aguero scored 16 league goals in 19/20 season. City won the league last season without proper striker as Aguero scoring only 4 league goals , he was on declined and barely playing. In fact they won it with Gundogan as their top scorer 13 league goals (less goals than Aguero). Attack wins you games but defense wins you the league. So the Spurs case is not always the case but it depends on the playing style. Conte doesn't really rely on attractive play but instead he would be satisfied to win with any kinds of playing style even if it means he had to park the bus. Using 5 defenders formation to solidify his defense and rely on Kane and Son being clinical suits Conte. But that doesn't suit Pep.

In Erik ten Hag case, he wants to win but with his own method. I think Erik ten Hag's system needs much better defense and midfield than what we are currently have because I think he wants defense who can be trusted to progress the ball and midfield who can be trusted to control the game. We don't have that and that's why we are focussing on defense and midfield or we could say the areas that consdered the spine of his team.
 

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I would agree with the importance of attacking players in a team's success but our team's midifeld is a problem on the same level.
Every situation, when we compare clubs, is very different. Look at our midfield and our full backs, you could have any combo of attackers you'd want, their impact would be limited
 

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top four is much more difficult now though

Liverpool back to being good
and Chelsea, Spurs and Arsenal all look stronger
And yet despite all of that, 4th wasn't an impossible task. Spurs and Arsenal aren't reliable to keep improving from one season to another. The top 2 are untouchable and Chelsea is also a good team.
 

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Like I said, that’s how you paper over cracks. We can have a top 4 quality defence if that’s what people prefer. But I highly doubt it’ll lead to us making top 4 next season with this set of attackers. 2 new signings who score 40 goals between them and I’d be astounded if we missed out.
Tell me who are these strikers that will score 40 goals between them, with a midfield consisting of Fred, McT and fullback option like Dalot? Yes I agree that we need to improve the attack, but our midfield is embarrassing. We need a strong spine and that is starting with a CDM starter and another CM on top of that imo. It will stabilize the defense and provide platform for creators like Sancho and Bruno.
 

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We don't have a spine. A midfield. Even Van Dijk will suffer here.
THIS.
Every great team has a solid spine; Players you can rely on week in week out.

VDS/RIO/SCHOLES/ROONEY
VALDES/PUYOL/XAVI/ETOO
ALLISON/VVD/FABINHO/FIRMINO
EDERSON/OTAMENDI/KDB/AGUERO

That is our priority, a glaringly obvious fault we try to paper over with high profile signings.
 

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Like I said, that’s how you paper over cracks. We can have a top 4 quality defence if that’s what people prefer. But I highly doubt it’ll lead to us making top 4 next season with this set of attackers. 2 new signings who score 40 goals between them and I’d be astounded if we missed out.
Greenwood scored 5 PL-goals, Rashford 4, Sancho 3, Martial 1, Van de Beek 1. But that's not indicative of their scoring prowess.
Ten Hag is a system-coach who develops an attack via lots of positional movement and combinations in small spaces.
Overcrowding the central defense area. He's not overly concerned with the inability of forwards to create and score on their own.
Sancho and Van de Beek are players who should benefit from a new system.

Ten Hag already said he wants to keep Ronaldo, so I don't think he cares too much about the forward positions.
Creating a reliable and stable defensive core (3+1 - rest defense) is what will worry him the most.

In his first season(s) at Ajax it was: De Ligt/Blind/De Jong + Schøne (backs up high)
The past season it was: Timber/Martinez/Blind + Alvarez (Mazraoui plays high)

Finding the players who can play in a high-up back line with qualities like speed, technical skill, passing consistency and positional awareness will be his first objective.
That's why I at least believe the rumor about taking Timber with him from Ajax. He's not strong in the air, but extremely good with the ball and fast.
In fact despite that Ten Hag is known as an offensive coach his best line is the defense (current back four Mazraoui-Timber-Martinez-Blind/Tagliafico) is (close to) world class.
In the current Ajax team there are weak spots with midfielders who aren't that creative and lack of speed upfront, but Ten Hag has ways to go around that.
But if he can't install that defensive core which provides the basis for a dominant playing style his mission will be doomed. And he knows it.
 
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Not looking at CB would be a mistake.
maguire, Lindelof both been injured this season and form was tripe.
Varane taking over from Phil Jones in the treatment room
Phil Jones wants to leave for first team football
Bailly wants to leave for first team football
Tuanzebe seems to have been cast aside. 25 years old and sent on loans is not a good look.
Mengi not ready and prone to injuries too
Matic is going so can’t cover

Are we going to go into a season with one injury away from playing McTominay as a CB?

that’s why we want timber. He’s versatile, quick and aggressive

we also need at least one midfielder.‘ideally we’d get 2 but if budget is stretched then we will see the path open up for Hannibal and possibly garner

need a forward, Ronaldo is nearly 38
Have a horrible feeling about martial but we will see

basically we need to improve the spine of the team. We won’t have budget to realistically do all positions this window so spine needs surgery before the rest of the team can run
 

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Although it’s of course a very valid point from OP, if you can’t get the ball to your attackers in decent positions, and you ship 50 odd goals, you’re getting nowhere. Plus, if Ten Hag can get a tune out of Ronaldo, Sancho, Elanga and Rashford, we have a decent base upfront on which to build around. If the supporting cast remains Maguire, Lindelof and McFred, forget it.
 
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Considering at the beginning of this season we bought Sanchez and Rolando and to say our squad was top-heavy would have been a dramatic understatement. We also had Pogba Fernandez VDB and Mata, as creative players. Obviously over the course of the year, things have happened and by the end of the season we had issues, but going into the season are attack was stacked. So not sure there is much of an argument for saying we haven't prioritized attacking players or creative players.

For me our issue since fergie left has been we haven't prioritized good coaching and buy players that fit together. That has been are issue and continues to be are issue. Maybe Ten Hag can turn it around but that gonna take a few years.
 

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It's absolutely not just about goals and those teams who have won the league have generally had an excellent defence/midfield in addition to great goalscorers.

Have just done a very quick look at the champions of the past 20 years. In 13 seasons they were the top scorers....also in 13 seasons they conceded the fewest goals so clearly having a rock solid defence and midfield is just as important in getting success.

Take for example any of the following:

Rio/Vidic/Keane/Scholes
Terry/Carvalho/Lampard/Makelele
Kompany/Fernandinho/Gundogan
 

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That's not true. SAF was just as maniacal about the defense being solid. He had a very very low tolerance for defensive errors. Some of our best CBs since he retired (Smalling and Jones) were from SAF. His trash is treasure to other managers. He just made it look effortless. He wasn't simply let's outscore the opponent. The idea that we should just ignore key positions to chase an attacking star surely isn't from SAF's school of management. He did both.

You just saw the season that concluded. Our midfield isn't simply one that's bad, it has zero shielding to the defense. Teams can get a shot whenever they want. Any period of sustained possession we have is just borrowed time till the other team gets the ball back and strolls into our final 3rd. It's pointless trying to outscore anyone when you're this porous.
Well yeah, that's a fair point too. But Fergie did say what I quoted, though maybe not verbatim. These are matters of perspective and opinion. Not questions that can answered with a 'true' or 'false' binary answer.
 

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Being "linked with" is overrated and actually useless. We've been linked with tons of players and signed none of them. Actually signing players is where it's at. Better to quietly do our business than have empty noise. It's going to be a long summer if we are already complaining about the rumours.
 

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I think it’s obvious our squad is full of holes. It’s well documented how we’re weak at full back, in midfield and pretty much every area. However it’s really strange to me to see us continually linked with the likes of Timber, Torres and just about any other player that isn’t an attacker.

Firepower is king. There’s a reason we all think Spurs will finish above us this season and it’s because Conte + Kane + Son = wins. Attackers are everything in this league. Fergie knew it - quality strikers on the pitch, quality strikers on the bench. That’s how you pick up points, that’s how you paper over cracks.

I read a stat on Twitter about how there’s only been one occasion in Premier League history in which a team has two players scoring more than 15 non penalty league goals and missed out on a CL spot (Spurs under Jose). That’s how we make top 4 and stay there. Sign a striker and a winger who’ll bag 40 goals between them. Worry about the rest later. Klopp knew it - all their big signings were in the front 6 positions, only once that was sorted did they spend 10m+ on defensive players.

Since Fergie retired we’ve never scored 80 goals in the league. We’ve scored 70 goals once! That’s criminal. It’s no surprise we’ve flitted in and out of the top 4 despite having many seasons of decent defensive records.

Of course to win the league we’ll have to strengthen everywhere. But priority one, two and three should be getting some fecking goals in this team.
Yes. The ball commes to the front by itself. No worrys mate. What an utterly flawd argument you make. And we can have Goalnaldo i goal.
 

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Yes. The ball commes to the front by itself. No worrys mate. What an utterly flawd argument you make. And we can have Goalnaldo i goal.
No need for that tone, he just expressed an opinion. But since he mentioned Spurs and you seem to be so adamant about it, let me reverse the question: What's this world-class midfield/defence Spurs have that allows them to create chances for their prolific duo? Højbjerg, Bentancur and Dier alongside Davies, Sanchez, Reguillon and Royal, is that an assembly of top-class talent? Maybe, if you're willing to look closer, you'll notice a couple of things: Firstly, that Kane has been adding qualities to his game throughout his career to the point where he is now one of the best forwards in Europe. Besides the fact that he needs only a fraction of a second to find a good shot, he's also as comfortable coming deeper/playing with his back to goal as he's near the box. His range of passing has become incredibly good, and his decision-making is superb. And then, you have Son. Amazing balance that allows him to find good shots and passes while running with the ball. He can "see" a good finish both in and outside the box, and he can execute with both feet. Add to this fantastic dynamic runs on the ball through the lines. Above all, they both understand each other's importance in their partnership and they work for each other on the pitch. And, don't forget, they are consistent. Which means that both the manager and the team can rely on them. Do we have any of that?

It's not one or the other. Of course we need a midfield that can offer better ball retention. Sure as hell, we need a defence able to play in a high line and keep its cool during the first phases of our build-up. And, as was the case with the scousers, good attacking full-backs may prove essential to stretching the pitch in the final third. But, as someone mentioned earlier in this thread, there's a reason why the players who can make things happen in the attacking third have always been the best-paid footballers. Generally speaking, it's goals or "firepower", but when we get down to brass tacks, it's a lot more than scoring 15-20 league goals. Freaking Christian Benteke has done that. It's about having a variety of options that will allow the team to find those "easy" goals. Not easy in execution, but easy in the sense that you won't always need 100 passes to create a good shot.

Remember our last title-winning side? We were rotating two 35+ year-olds in the midfield, and we had a defence that shipped nearly 50 goals in the PL alone. We couldn't defend a set-piece to save our lives. First game, a horrible performance and one goal defeat at Goodison that could have easily been two or three. Next game, Fulham at OT: They get a very early lead. That's the stuff that can "melt"our players' legs nowadays. Back then, we stretched the field, got Evra in a good crossing position (all these things are true and we need to improve on them right now), but the cross wasn't even half dangerous. It was just that a certain Dutchman saw a finish with his left foot that very few players could. An "easy" goal. Not for him. For the team. One that calmed the nerves and allowed us to finish the business in the second half. And he continued to do that for the rest of the season. In fact, toward the tail-end of 12/13, when he lost his mojo for a few games, we were eliminated from both the CL and the FA Cup.

And since Conte is the talk of the town lately, with Rangnick not being able to steer the Titanic away from the iceberg while the Italian was available, let's have a look at how he led Chelsea to that magnificent run that won them the PL title. It's true that he scratched his initial plan and went back to the drawing board to come up with his 343 that did the trick. It's also true that he had the best transition midfielder in the world in Kante, a great ball-player in Fabregas and a still integral Matic. He took the best out of players like Moses, too. But all these weren't the sole reason why Chelsea outscored their xG by 23 goals that season. It was their ability to unbalance defences and create pockets of space which was the product of two factors: Hazard's efficacy in isolation plays and Costa's willingness to absolutely torture centre-halves. They both boosted their numbers through this: Hazard making things happen off the dribble and Costa scoring what we have always known as "forward's goals". When Conte finished 5th next season, the midfield hadn't changed. Guess who was driven out of the club, though. In fact, these two were also the main reason why Mourinho won the title two seasons earlier.

That's the issue with United, too. Not the only issue, but, nevertheless, one of the main issues. Don't get me wrong, a strong backbone is essential. The often ridiculed on here "patterns of play" are also of the utmost importance, and the people who were laughing at them were more wrong than they could ever imagine. But when you want to win titles, you need to score goals. And as much as you need the right patterns/strategy in order to avoid depending on low probability shots (which was often the case under Solskjaer), you also need the players and the naturally formed/blossomed partnerships, so that every single goal you score isn't the product of 30 pages of deep analysis (unless you're Pep, that is. He can do it. But as Robert Downey Jr. would have said: Never go full Pep).

So, yes, we need to learn how to beat the press in our build-up. We also need to improve massively on our possession game. But if what we have up front consists of: a) Rashford, who only wants to tuck inside from a wide left position and get in-behind, b) Martial, who wants to start centrally and come to the left and try to take on someone, and c) Ronaldo, who wants to get at the end of moves, very little things will happen. Zero ball protection, no ability in tight spaces/back to goal, minimal dribbling and 1v1 efficiency. Instead, players predictable as hell, with very few arrows in their quiver. You can have prime Xavi and Iniesta here. They can only pass the ball forward. If the only thing the receivers do is give it back to them and then either make a useless run in-behind, stand still or, the worst scenario, lose it within the next second, you're back to square one.

Look at the bigger picture. Football is not played on paper. For example, both Ronnie and Marcus have it in them to score 20 league goals. The big question is can the team sustain two pure goalscorers who offer very little in every other area/metric besides in front of goal. Can it be done? And if it can, with all the big spenders around us, will we be able to get all the supporting cast, or, as the OP suggests, we should change our priorities?
 

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If I had a fundamentally flawed/dysfunctional team and could choose between an exceptional defender, midfielder or attacker - I'd take the latter every time.

But we're not aiming to boost a dysfunctional team.

(I mean - we're aiming to become less dysfunctional, surely - and then add players, as appropriate, etc.)
 

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My focus would be on the midfield and attacking areas over the defence, too. I think we can probably only afford one addition in defence If we're to get the necessary quality elsewhere.

I think if we improve our ability to hold the ball in midfield, and get some energy into the team, we can protect the defence better. I don't think we're going to be able to solve all the problems at full back and centre back this window.

We are well short up front. All the way across the front line. That needs an general influx of quality, but certainly one that can play centrally and another from the right. You absolutely cannot enter a season with a 38 year old as the only obvious source of goals. We would be praying that Ronaldo doesn't break down and that Sancho produces magical form. It's just not enough.
This

We should buy 2 attackers alright but simply because we only have 4 senior pros for 3 positions. Ronaldo? Rashford? Martial? and Sancho
 

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Amazing to think at the start of the season how highly our attack was rated. Ronaldo, Cavani, Martial, Greenwood, Rashford, Sancho, Lingard, Mata for just 3 positions - we ended up scoring just 57 goals. Everyone but Ronaldo has had pretty much the worst season possible, and most have left/are leaving.
I know. It's heart breaking to think about how optimistic we were.

Captain hindsight says
Ronaldo did well
Cavani was put out by the Ronaldo signing
Martial did a super sulk because of the Ronaldo signing
Greenwood... well we know what happened there
Rashford went AWOL
Sancho acclimatised but did alright imo
Lingard and Mata weren't really given a chance

Utterly depressing
 

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We went into this season with: Cavani, Ronaldo, Sancho, Rashford, Martial, MG11, Amad, Lingard, Pogba, Mata.
We thought we had the forward positions absolutely nailed.
 

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I think our time under Ole showed that you can't sustain success by just stacking attackers in a squad. We need a proper structure in our team & our play that will not only enable us to create more chances for our strikers, but protect our goal as well. We've tried these kind of shortcuts plenty of times before, this time we need to build a team that can dominate the entire pitch.
 

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Pretty sure we will sign an attacker or two since we absolutely lack any goalscorer right now.
  • Ronaldo - Our only goalscorer. Can’t be expected to play every match at his age.
  • Sancho - Looks to be more of a creator than a goalscorer, even at his best.
  • Rashford - Could potentially score a decent amount when he’s at his best. But relying on him to get back to his best seems like a bad idea.
  • Elanga - Squad player at best.
  • Bruno - At his best, he can be expected to score 10+ goals in the league. Output will also depend on where he’s playing in the team.
  • Greenwood - Would have been our best source. But we all know he probably won’t play again.
  • Cavani - Gone
  • Martial - Likely gone
  • Jesse - ”lol”

Going into the season with just one striker, who is also 38 is a bad idea. This is why I’m sure we will sign someone.
 

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Pretty sure we will sign an attacker or two since we absolutely lack any goalscorer right now.
  • Ronaldo - Our only goalscorer. Can’t be expected to play every match at his age.
  • Sancho - Looks to be more of a creator than a goalscorer, even at his best.
  • Rashford - Could potentially score a decent amount when he’s at his best. But relying on him to get back to his best seems like a bad idea.
  • Elanga - Squad player at best.
  • Bruno - At his best, he can be expected to score 10+ goals in the league. Output will also depend on where he’s playing in the team.
  • Greenwood - Would have been our best source. But we all know he probably won’t play again.
  • Cavani - Gone
  • Martial - Likely gone
  • Jesse - ”lol”

Going into the season with just one striker, who is also 38 is a bad idea. This is why I’m sure we will sign someone.
We need 2 strikers. One central and one wide.
 

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Priority for me is two higher tier PL level midfielders which complement each other. Suspect doing this will show improvements in both attack and defence.
 

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I think it’s obvious our squad is full of holes. It’s well documented how we’re weak at full back, in midfield and pretty much every area. However it’s really strange to me to see us continually linked with the likes of Timber, Torres and just about any other player that isn’t an attacker.

Firepower is king. There’s a reason we all think Spurs will finish above us this season and it’s because Conte + Kane + Son = wins. Attackers are everything in this league. Fergie knew it - quality strikers on the pitch, quality strikers on the bench. That’s how you pick up points, that’s how you paper over cracks.

I read a stat on Twitter about how there’s only been one occasion in Premier League history in which a team has two players scoring more than 15 non penalty league goals and missed out on a CL spot (Spurs under Jose). That’s how we make top 4 and stay there. Sign a striker and a winger who’ll bag 40 goals between them. Worry about the rest later. Klopp knew it - all their big signings were in the front 6 positions, only once that was sorted did they spend 10m+ on defensive players.

Since Fergie retired we’ve never scored 80 goals in the league. We’ve scored 70 goals once! That’s criminal. It’s no surprise we’ve flitted in and out of the top 4 despite having many seasons of decent defensive records.

Of course to win the league we’ll have to strengthen everywhere. But priority one, two and three should be getting some fecking goals in this team.
I agree with this a million percent. If Ten Haag thinks the CB is more important than the attack, then frankly he's lost before he's even started. Our attack is terrible, it's not like the Dutch league where VDB somehow can score 20 goals.

The funny thing to me is we've pretty much signed a CB for 30m every summer for the last 5 years (and one for 80m), and looked no better for it.

We need a DM, a CM and a top RW as an absolute priority.
 
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Midfield and the wide areas (full backs and wingers) are the most important areas that need addressing this window because they are the areas most critical to our shape both going forward and defending and are the areas that offer by far the most room for tactical flexibility and unpredictability if we get it right. So at the bare minimum, we HAVE to make 5 signings this window, a right back, a left back, a right winger (real one this time, not false wingers like Sancho), a defensive midfielder and a central midfielder.